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2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone

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Juxtaposer said:
Martone is more than nine months older than Musty was in his draft season. You may not think that matters, but it really does.

Yes, Martone is more skilled and has better hands and is maybe an inch taller than Musty. But that doesn't explain why you think Martone is worthy of a 2nd overall pick and is a great fit for the Sharks while also complete disregarding a very similar player in Musty.
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Martone's draft year production is way better than Musty's. I thought you were comparing Musty's D+1 season ("he's the same age as Musty was last year, when he put up 2+ PPG in the OHL") to Martone's draft year, in which case Martone is the younger player and still outscoring Musty.

The choice is between Martone and Hagens/Misa, not Martone and Musty. And it's obvious Martone is a far better fit for the Sharks' needs than Hagens or Misa. This draft really sucks apart from Schaefer.
 
Lots of good draft/prospect games tonight if anyone is interested

NCAA
BC (25 Hagens) vs BU (sharks prospect Svoboda)
WIsconsin (25 Hensler) vs Michigan

OHL
London (Sharks Dickinson Haltunen) vs Sudbury (Sharks Musty)
Erie (25 Spence) vs ('26 Roobroeck, Wassilyn) * If Shaefer had been playing I probably would have watched this game
Saginaw (25 Misa) vs Kingston Edit wrong team
Windsor ('26 Belchetz) vs Sarnia ('26 Di lorio)

WHL
Medicine Hat ('26 McKenna) vs Spokane ('26 Preston)
Victoria (25 Reschny, 26 Verhoeff, Sharks Miskey) vs Seattle (25 Cootes and Mrtka)
Moose Jaw (25 Lakovic) vs Edmonton (25 Fiddler)
 
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Hodge said:
Martone's draft year production is way better than Musty's. I thought you were comparing Musty's D+1 season ("he's the same age as Musty was last year, when he put up 2+ PPG in the OHL") to Martone's draft year, in which case Martone is the younger player and still outscoring Musty.

The choice is between Martone and Hagens/Misa, not Martone and Musty. And it's obvious Martone is a far better fit for the Sharks' needs than Hagens or Misa. This draft really sucks apart from Schaefer.
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I have been saying that Martone on paper is the best fit for our rebuild, absolutely, and that's why I was really hoping he crushed it this year. But his risk profile isn't shaping up that way. Of course if he hits, sure, he's M.Tkachuk/Rantanen and it's exciting. But he probably has the lowest floor of any of the top 4, and he might not have the high compete attitude that Grier is targeting as a playoff winner. He might! Above my pay grade to analyze it and if they pick him, great, I'll get on board.

That said, from my armchair, Misa is a pretty great fit. He's not small (already over 6'1" and probably not done), he's fast, he's dynamic, he's skilled, he can do it all. He could play scoring wing on Smith/Celebrini's line or he could fill our Smith-sized 2C hole if Smith is better on Celebrini/Misa's wing. He's versatile on a cup winning team almost no matter where his development path takes him. The downside of going Martone is you end up stuck with an overrated power forward who never seems to play to his potential but is just good enough to make you think he might be a core piece - like Brady Tkachuk or Timo Meier.

So as of today, I lean Misa, but whoever the staff goes with, I'll get behind.
 
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Hodge said:
Martone's draft year production is way better than Musty's. I thought you were comparing Musty's D+1 season ("he's the same age as Musty was last year, when he put up 2+ PPG in the OHL") to Martone's draft year, in which case Martone is the younger player and still outscoring Musty.

The choice is between Martone and Hagens/Misa, not Martone and Musty. And it's obvious Martone is a far better fit for the Sharks' needs than Hagens or Misa. This draft really sucks apart from Schaefer.
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My point is that while Martone is outscoring Musty's draft season, if you age-adjust his point totals, it would be extremely close.

Yes, the debate is between Martone and Misa/Hagens, and I'm arguing for Misa being a better player outright than Martone, to the point that fit shouldn't enter the equation. I see it as (1) Schaefer, (2/3) Hagens/Misa, (4) Martone, where I would choose Misa over Hagens because it's close and Misa is a much better fit.

And again, to be clear, if Martone is our pick then he's the guy and I'm totally okay with that. I'm just trying to understand why anti-Musty guy likes Martone.
 
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coooldude said:
I have been saying that Martone on paper is the best fit for our rebuild, absolutely, and that's why I was really hoping he crushed it this year. But his risk profile isn't shaping up that way. Of course if he hits, sure, he's M.Tkachuk/Rantanen and it's exciting. But he probably has the lowest floor of any of the top 4, and he might not have the high compete attitude that Grier is targeting as a playoff winner. He might! Above my pay grade to analyze it and if they pick him, great, I'll get on board.
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The thing about Martone is that people have only been questioning his compete level for the last month. It was actually considered one of his strengths before that. He's been given a letter on most of the teams he's played on, including a "C" at last years worlds, on his OHL team in his D season , and at the CHL USA prospects game. I've seen him skate hard for loose pucks, play hard along the boards, so I don't think its a problem. His main issue is whether he will be use his size to his advantage at the next level. I'm waiting for the OHL playoffs to make a conclusion on him
 
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Juxtaposer said:
Speaking of Misa, looks like Saginaw's game against Kingston starting in a few minutes is being streamed free on YouTube. Great opportunity to see him play against a very solid team.

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If I could only use one word to describe Misa's performance in this game, that word would be "underwhelming."
 
Pinkfloyd said:
I think Hagens and Misa's odds of being a top six forward are still much greater than Martone's. However, even if Martone's is better, being a top six winger is not all that valuable nor needed unless they are actually elite. Wingers are readily available at multiple levels including the draft to fill lineup spots. Martone should be a choice made by the team if they have no other options. At 3, any of the other three is a better pick for the team than Martone.
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Top 6 RWers are nit a dime a dozen. It's easily one if not our top need
 
Hodge said:
6'3 210lb physical right shot wings who are skilled enough offensively to play in your top six are neither easy nor cheap to acquire.
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They are also not the only solution to who plays in those positions. Tyler Toffoli for instance was a top six RW on a Cup winner without having to be a 6'3 210lb physical winger. You and some others tend to overvalue these sorts of players and pretend like they're required to put together a winning club when they are not and haven't really been.
 
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Juxtaposer said:
My point is that while Martone is outscoring Musty's draft season, if you age-adjust his point totals, it would be extremely close.

Yes, the debate is between Martone and Misa/Hagens, and I'm arguing for Misa being a better player outright than Martone, to the point that fit shouldn't enter the equation. I see it as (1) Schaefer, (2/3) Hagens/Misa, (4) Martone, where I would choose Misa over Hagens because it's close and Misa is a much better fit.

And again, to be clear, if Martone is our pick then he's the guy and I'm totally okay with that. I'm just trying to understand why anti-Musty guy likes Martone.
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Must be a slow Friday for you to wade into those waters.
 
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Lebanezer said:
Must be a slow Friday for you to wade into those waters.
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There's no sports on. I had to watch a CHL game. CHL!

And then I went to Reggie's.

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Grinner said:
Like who?
Which top 6 RWers are readily available?
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I mean, today's trade is a fairly recent example of players who have filled RW spots on competitive teams at times. Kakko was also traded and is playing in Seattle's top six on the right side. We also saw two players in Nashville that were also top six RW's that were available in free agency with Marchessault and Stamkos. There's a lot of talk that guys like Boeser and Marner either are available or will be in free agency. The idea that these players aren't out there is pretty obviously untrue.
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
I mean, today's trade is a fairly recent example of players who have filled RW spots on competitive teams at times. Kakko was also traded and is playing in Seattle's top six on the right side. We also saw two players in Nashville that were also top six RW's that were available in free agency with Marchessault and Stamkos. There's a lot of talk that guys like Boeser and Marner either are available or will be in free agency. The idea that these players aren't out there is pretty obviously untrue.
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Manner fits the needs. To bad it's Marner.
Of those mentioned, have either just been traded or are spent. Boeser? Maybe.
We should have never passed on Rantannen.
If we drop to 4. Then Martone fits the bill.
 
Grinner said:
Manner fits the needs. To bad it's Marner.
Of those mentioned, have either just been traded or are spent. Boeser? Maybe.
We should have never passed on Rantannen.
If we drop to 4. Then Martone fits the bill.
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Either I'm high or you're drunk. I'm not sure which yet. I'm perfectly fine with them picking Martone at 4 if that's how it ends up. I just don't see a reason to value Martone's size and position over either Hagens or Misa. We still need good centers whether or not Smith eventually hits as a center but Smith's NHL game at this stage is more suited for the wing. I also think that both the centers won't take as long to develop and have better odds at being quality top six forwards.
 
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