2025 IIHF ICE HOCKEY U18 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP Division I, Group B

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I don't think there was a thread yet, the tournament starts on Sunday in my hometown Kaunas, Lithuania. Participants are France, Japan, Korea, Poland, Estonia and Lithuania.

Tournament info: WJC-18 D1B - Standings, Teams, Games, Scores, Stats & More

France should be the favorite despite finishing in a very disappointing 4th place last year which I will guess was their lowest finish ever. Annoyingly, they are also the only team not to announce their roster yet. But from what I gather, they should be missing their best forward - Mathis Dufour - to the BCHL playoffs however icing the D-core of Ligue Magnus regulars including Belgium-born Noa Nsonsa-Kitala who is ranked #114 amongst the EU skaters for the upcoming draft by the NHL Central Scouting. Considering he plays for Marseille in France, that could be a significant undervaluation and the kid has a reasonable chance to be drafted.

Lithuania is going to try to mount a title challenge after a surprising 2nd-place finish last year. Positives: playing at home and a heap of our top prospects in the last year of eligibility: 5 top scorers of our U20 team are on this U18 one. Downsides: Algirdas Jaras aside, both defense and goaltending are unproven, either debuting or having played very limited roles at the international level previously. Feels like in terms of the talent level, this is a pretty usual crop in those positions which is average at the very best for the D1B level.

Japan and Korea are bringing their usual mystery teams, no prospects with particular credentials in the NHL/Europe-oriented hockey world. The last time Japan played at this level was in 2020 so they surely aren't just going to take it lying down but the quality they could utilize to mount a title challenge isn't obvious.

Estonia also surprised last year finishing 3rd but they were led by Maxim Burkov and David Timofejev who are objectively very good prospects so the surprise was not so much based on the quality of their team but on the fact that this was Estonia's best-ever finish at the U18 WC (Lituania, Estonia and France have all achieved some kind of record last year, safe to say not a very typical tournament). Maybe Estonian posters can correct me but this feels like the weakest Estonian U18 team in quite some time. Their best prospect - Nikita Antonov - is actually a teammate of Lithuania's Pijus Pranskevicius but while Lithuania has 5 forwards of similar or even better quality, Antonov should be an outstanding leader of the Estonian squad.

Poland got promoted from the D2A and, as usual will be fighting for survival. Pretty regular squad with most guys playing in Poland or the Czech junior system. 3 kids represent the Czech Extraliga clubs at the U20 level so this certainly isn't the worst Poland has ever had but the regular one meaning 50/50 chances of survival, I'd say.
 
I'm not sure how the schedule is made, but I'm not a fan of seeing France and Lithuania square off on the day one as both seem to be two best teams in the tournament. (My) expectations are sky high for this Lithuanian all-star team and now is their time to make a real statement, even though a loss against France would hardly be unexpected or would qualify as a real disappointment.

We are also once more in for a classic Estonia - Poland relegation derby, I imagine Estonia might be running out of the magic beans this year, but I might have been saying this for a couple years now.
 
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I'm not sure how the schedule is made, but I'm not a fan of seeing France and Lithuania square off on the day one as both seem to be two best teams in the tournament.
It's a bit of a damned if you do - damned if you don't situation. The last day of the tournament is always 1st seed vs 2nd (this being Lithuania vs Japan matchup), 3rd vs 4th, 5th vs 6th so playing France and Japan as a back-to-back is not good. The choice then becomes to capitalize on the hype and play the game on Sunday as the first of the tournament or push it to a random weekday.

The second scenario might be somewhat beneficial to the stronger teams hockey-wise but, I guess, that makes Sunday and even more obvious choice from the Lithuanian perspective. Catch out the French in the first game in the new environment to them and after the travel.
 
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France should be the favorite despite finishing in a very disappointing 4th place last year which I will guess was their lowest finish ever. Annoyingly, they are also the only team not to announce their roster yet. But from what I gather, they should be missing their best forward - Mathis Dufour - to the BCHL playoffs however icing the D-core of Ligue Magnus regulars including Belgium-born Noa Nsonsa-Kitala who is ranked #114 amongst the EU skaters for the upcoming draft by the NHL Central Scouting. Considering he plays for Marseille in France, that could be a significant undervaluation and the kid has a reasonable chance to be drafted.
The FFHG released the roster a month ago.


 
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The FFHG released the roster a month ago.


Fair enough, my annoyance should have been aimed at eliteprospects then, they are usually on top of things.

Why is there no Nsonsa-Kitala though? Was really interested in seeing him. Injury? Who are the standout French players in your opinion?
 
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Maybe Estonian posters can correct me but this feels like the weakest Estonian U18 team in quite some time.
I watched the first period of Estonia-Kookoo friendly game yesterday and it did not look too good. We lost 3-6. Talk around the arena was also, that we would need a small miracle to stay up this year especcialy now when th opposition seems to be a bit better than usually. 07 is always known as our weakest year, where we had very small amount of kids. Just like 02 and 03 were.

Also our preparation is very unconvincing as we have not yet cut any players from the 41 player roster (maybe some cuts after yesterdays game) and the camp just started on monday. Today is another game against Kookoo and this is the last one. U18 did not gather any other time this year so the chemistry between players cant be too good.

Hockey fans here are hoping that this year U18 wont end in a complete embarrasment and 09/10 year comes quickly :D . Lot of hopes are put on those guys.
 
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Is this tournament also gonna be on IIHF TV?
From what I understand, all the tournaments are going to be available on IIHF TV from now on but I have no doubt they are going to be available on YT as well, at least here in Lithuania. I don't know how diligent are they going to be about geo-blocking.
 
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Lithuania beats Korea 5-3 in the friendlies and Japan loses to France 2-6. Bad news for Japan, really. Not only did both tournament favorites dispatch them quite easily Korea looked much better in the game against Lithuania as well.

Maybe fatigue played a role to some extent since Japan and Lithuania faced their fresh opponents on the tail end of their previous game the day before but certainly the evidence was strong enough to see Japan isn't really fighting for promotion this year while Korea isn't in the relegation trouble.
 
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Did Poland U18 play against Latvia? I cant find any info anymore, but I think I saw some news about it. Does anybody know how they did?

Estonia won its second and last friendly against KooKoo rather convincingly 9-3. Roster from that game will also go to Kaunas. Estonia played way better than the first game, but still should be in the relegation fight.

Orlov impressed. Scored a hat-trick and looks like a talented goal scorer. He also scored 3 in his debut tournament for the U20 NT. Hopefully he manages to find a good team for next year.

Kudeviita, born in 2009 seems like the best prospect from that year. Worth to keep an eye on him.
 
Did Poland U18 play against Latvia? I cant find any info anymore, but I think I saw some news about it. Does anybody know how they did?
They did play and lost 4-1 and 4-2 evidently but it's not exactly clear what were the rosters for the games on the Latvian side. LHF only lists goalscorers and the starting goalie and amongst those goalscorers is Davids Danilovs who isn't even on their expanded list of U18 candidates. No "big" names on the scoresheet either, it's probably safe to say those didn't play.

So by conjecture, the Latvian roster was mostly guys fighting for last roster spots before the U18 and at least some part even younger guys to fill out the roster. HS Riga's leading scorers took the leading roles with Maksims Saperins scoring 2 goals and at least 1 assist over those games.

I think the results are pretty consistent with what we assumed the Polish level is.
 
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Fair enough, my annoyance should have been aimed at eliteprospects then, they are usually on top of things.

Why is there no Nsonsa-Kitala though? Was really interested in seeing him. Injury? Who are the standout French players in your opinion?
Sorry, mad week...

Yes, he is injured. But I was surprised Alexandre Monarque isn't there.


Players to keep an eye on would be Darcy Terglav, Kilian Alves Pereira and Aaron Stemper as well as Noa Besson and Maurice Zwickel who both play regularly in Ligue Magnus.
 
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Yeah, I'm more shocked to see this than Poland beating them. It is so rare to see a decisively better team like in this case, that outshoots opponents 2:1 ratio, held to 1 goal.

So this again turns into an "anything can happen" division. Needless to say, none of the results so far do any favors to Estonia, though.
 
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Outsider here, but I've always been puzzled with Estonia not being ranked in the Latvia, Denmark and Norway tier. This is solely based on its geographical proximity to Latvia, Russia and Finland. Is it a grassroots issue? Financial?

Lithuania as well obviously, but Estonia is literally sandwiched between the aforementioned countries
 
Outsider here, but I've always been puzzled with Estonia not being ranked in the Latvia, Denmark and Norway tier. This is solely based on its geographical proximity to Latvia, Russia and Finland. Is it a grassroots issue? Financial?

Lithuania as well obviously, but Estonia is literally sandwiched between the aforementioned countries
To answer it very quickly, it's mostly social reasons. Estonians not being very big on team sports and hockey being seen as a Russian game. The latter partially applies to Lithuania as well to this day, especially in Klaipeda where there is a relatively big Russian minority.

Back to the tournament, Orlov got mentioned already but the guy I've been impressed with is Matvei Kalamees. Absolute beast in almost all defensive facets, even more so as an underager.

Also Antonov is playing D for whatevet reason and looking absolutely forgetable.
 
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Outsider here, but I've always been puzzled with Estonia not being ranked in the Latvia, Denmark and Norway tier. This is solely based on its geographical proximity to Latvia, Russia and Finland. Is it a grassroots issue? Financial?

Lithuania as well obviously, but Estonia is literally sandwiched between the aforementioned countries
Historically, Lithuania was not a part of Western Europe. I know that most people just group these 3 countries together, but they are completely different in terms of their pre-20th century history.

In Livonia (Latvia and Estonia), German was the 2nd language, spoken by most educated people up until the 1940s. There was also a large Baltic German minority in the hundreds of thousands, which had a large influence on their sporting culture, among many other things.

Pre-WWII Riga was very much a wealthy cosmopolitan city, with the local Baltic Germans being an amalgamation of different nationalities, including British. This exchange of people and ideas at that period of time is the root cause of why hockey thrives in modern Latvia.

Some of the major ice hockey and football clubs were actually founded by Baltic Germans (i.e., Unions Riga). Kaiserwald/BFC was founded by a Briton.

Hockey was also popularized by a Swede Sven Jensen who played bandy for Riga Wanderers. The first hockey game was played in 1909 and we were a part of IIHF already by 1931, taking part in Olympics, World Championships, we had our own domestic hockey league, etc.

There are a bunch of interesting connections there. For instance, Jørgen Alfred Hviid, the father of ice hockey in Denmark, actually took up playing hockey in Unions Riga in early 30s.

To cut a long story short, Latvia was exposed to ice hockey much earlier and it caught traction already in the 1930s, becoming very popular. It is for this very reason why Latvians were the ones coaching many of the Soviet clubs in the 1940s, with multiple Latvians playing for the Soviet national team and the Soviets actually borrowing some hockey terms from Latvian.

In Estonia and Lithuania it never really became a thing before the Soviet military occupation of the Baltics, with bandy being more popular in Estonia at the time while in Lithuania ice sports were not particularly popular. Over there, ice hockey was viewed as a Russian sport with extremely negative connotations. If you'd look up the names on the Estonian national team, Russians are still an outsized minority there, but it used to be much worse.

In the Latvian case, it never was the case.

I think hockey does have potential for growth in both Lithuania and Estonia, though.
 
In Estonia and Lithuania it never really became a thing before the Soviet military occupation of the Baltics,
I would agree with everything except for this sentence. While it might be true in Estonia's case, by the late 1930s hockey was very much a thing in Lithuania. We had a local championship since 1926 and by the 1930s pretty much every football club had a hockey branch. Our first international game - unsurprisingly against Latvia - in 1932 ended 3-0 in favor of Latvians but it was still a pretty close game by hockey standards (in 1996 it was 27-0 Latvia). We participated in the 1938 World Championships and finished with 1 win and 3 losses just like Latvia.

While basketball would have still probably turned into a dominant sport in Lithuania due to the level of success we have seen and the simplicity of infrastructure, hockey has lost A LOT of ground here due to the Soviet occupation.

The ever-so-gracious overlords saw it fit to build the first indoor rink(s) only in 1976 and only in the small town of Elektrenai while Kaunas basically built an unsanctioned one the same year out of spite with its building being covered up as a simple warehouse for higher-ups. To the point where after somebody snitched it to Moscow the arena was indeed filled with boxes and crap to make it look like a warehouse for the inspecting commission. Vilnius didn't have an indoor rink altogether for the longest time.

One can really say the Soviet rule was decisively against any kind of organized or professional (even though professional sports surely didn't exist in USSR) hockey in Lithuania. I might be wrong but I don't think it was quite as bad in Estonia where different reasons played a bigger role.
 
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