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2025 HART Trophy Thread

TS Quint said:
Contender to maybe make the playoffs? I agree Quinn is great. Hronek probably owes about $3.5m/year to him. But Quinn has only dragged that team to mid.
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Get back to me when you learn how to read a graph, thank you
 
Should easily be Mackinnon.

Dominating the league in scoring and the so called “come back” by McDavid continues to not happen.

0 points last game while Mack had 3. Mack is the best player in the league and should get the hart (and will win the Ross as well).
 
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TS Quint said:
Get back to me when you can read the standings, thank you.
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It is literally included in the graph, you are not making a novel point here man :laugh:. There are 3 data points.

With Hughes on the ice - Contender
With Hughes off the ice - Lotto team
Overall - Bubble.
 
Jordan Belfort said:
Should easily be Mackinnon.

Dominating the league in scoring and the so called “come back” by McDavid continues to not happen.

0 points last game while Mack had 3. Mack is the best player in the league and should get the hart (and will win the Ross as well).
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What come back are you talking about? McDavid still has 23 points in his last 13 games lol
 
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Mackinnon is the front runner but Marner is having a phenomenal season, if we're being honest.
 
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ACC1224 said:
Mackinnon is the front runner but Marner is having a phenomenal season, if we're being honest.
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Drai for me right now, Kaprizov second. If we are truly talking about most valuable to a winning condition and not simply ranking best forwards.

Drai has the Oilers humming and they sit 6th in point%. His overall engagement is so much more impressive too. The Wild are 4th and although they have a great goalie and standput defensemen at the top, KK is everything to their offense.

The Avs have been awesome since they swapped out goalies so MacK lingers as does Kucherov. But MacK has plenty of support and the Avs are 11th in point%. Kucherov is one of 5 Lightning forwards in the top 42 in points per game and yet the Bolts have been sneaky kinda average despite this firepower at 13th in point%. Quinn is so valuable to the Canucks but they seem…”messy” right now and it’s just hard for a defenseman to be in this convo.
 
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McPoyle said:
Draisaitl is the frontrunner right now. Most goals by a wide margin, most points scored on a goalie, playing excellent defensive hockey. Q. Hughes and Hellebucyk other contenders.
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I think I agree with this although I don't follow all of the teams.

Regarding Mackinnon, empty net points should count, but they shouldn't be weighed anywhere near as heavily as other points. Maybe like 0.25 points per empty net point.
 
Hilarious people try and discredit Drai with the McDavid argument and completely ignore the fact Mack has Rantanen and Makar who are both top 10 in scoring.

Add in the EN production from MacKinnon and this isn’t even close currently
 
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By definition of most valuable player, it shouldn’t be Draisaitl because if he wasn’t in the lineup, they have McDavid who would carry the team. You take MacKinnon out of the Avs lineup, even with Mikko and Makar, Avs wouldn’t be in the playoff spot right now, with all the injuries they had and still having and with the bad goaltending earlier in the season, MacK has been carrying the Avs. Mikko is not driving his own line or anything, his production is mainly based on what MacK is doing.

You take Kaprizov out of Minnesota lineup, who’s gonna carry them? They probably don’t make the playoffs either. Q. Hughes also is very valuable to Vancouver. Again, take Drai out of Oilers lineup, they’ll still be fine and make the playoffs because McDavid will carry them that’s why I don’t think Draisaitl should be a front runner or even top 3 in Hart voting
 
the_fan said:
By definition of most valuable player, it shouldn’t be Draisaitl because if he wasn’t in the lineup, they have McDavid who would carry the team. You take MacKinnon out of the Avs lineup, even with Mikko and Makar, Avs wouldn’t be in the playoff spot right now, with all the injuries they had and still having and with the bad goaltending earlier in the season.

You take Kaprizov out of Minnesota lineup, who’s gonna carry them? They probably don’t make the playoffs either. Q. Hughes also is very valuable to Vancouver. Again, take Drai out of Oilers lineup, they’ll still be fine and make the playoffs because McDavid will carry them that’s why I don’t think Draisaitl should be a front runner or even top 3 in Hart voting
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McDavid could step up (along with Hyman and RNH, etc), but the Oilers scoring would really take a hit without Draisaitl this year though. He’s been in on 46% of the team’s goals (MacKinnon’s been in on 48%). I don’t think it’s fair to punish him based on how the team might play without him. If we’re going to look at relative value it should be based on how his teammates have fared so far, and so far a lot of his teammates haven’t produced as well as they’re capable.
 
Mackinnon could win the Art Ross but it's reminding me a bit of Gretzky's 1993-94 season where he lead the league in points with 130, but finished with zero (0) Hart votes. He doesn't really look like himself this year and it's weird to give the Hart to a guy who's not on top of his game and yes, kind of coasting off those empty net points (in terms of the scoring race). That's not meant to be an insult to Mackinnon, he's having a monster year, it just doesn't scream Hart Trophy to me.

Those 93-94 Kings were a lot worse than this years Avalanche team too if you remove Gretzky and Mackinnon from those teams. I'm sure Nate will get more than zero Hart votes but Art Ross =/= Hart Trophy.
 
Regal said:
McDavid could step up (along with Hyman and RNH, etc), but the Oilers scoring would really take a hit without Draisaitl this year though. He’s been in on 46% of the team’s goals (MacKinnon’s been in on 48%). I don’t think it’s fair to punish him based on how the team might play without him. If we’re going to look at relative value it should be based on how his teammates have fared so far, and so far a lot of his teammates haven’t produced as well as they’re capable.
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I’m just keeping it simple and going by where would this teams be without this players.

Avs without MacKinnon wouldn’t be in the playoffs right now, neither would the Wild without Kaprizov, or Vancouver without Hughes

But I can confidently say that the Oilers would be without Draisaitl. McDavid would carry the Oilers to the playoffs
 
Draisaitl and Hughes for me.

Hughes imo fully represents “MVP” in this case. The Canucks without him on the ice is comically awful. But with the season Drai is having, it’s hard not to consider him as well.

IMO nobody in the league has come close to these two and what they bring to their team. Perhaps Kaprizov. But MacKinnon is laughable when he has Rantanen and Makar on the ice with him practically every shift. EN production is also skewing the numbers a lot.
 
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the_fan said:
I’m just keeping it simple and going by where would this teams be without this players.

Avs without MacKinnon wouldn’t be in the playoffs right now, neither would the Wild without Kaprizov, or Vancouver without Hughes

But I can confidently say that the Oilers would be without Draisaitl. McDavid would carry the Oilers to the playoffs
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Avs literally have two other players jn the top 10 scoring. What kind of nonsense is this?
 
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