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I don’t believe that such a trade would decimate the Flames as you suggest it did the Flyers though. I honestly think the Flames are in a rare position to be able to part with five or six high-end prospects and/or players in addition to the presumed three 1sts and still have a plethora of young and highly skilled players in their system. For all the years that we’ve gone without managing to ever procure that legitimate generational game-changing type of player via the draft, we sure asf better be doing everything within our power to make a play for a stud like Gav Mac otherwise stop complaining about our draft misfortunes. If I’m Conny, I’m already getting my pitch ready for that 1st overall pick if Wolfy & co. won’t let us bottom all the way out for it.
Just to break it down the Flyers traded
1990 4th OA pick (Ricci)
1990 25th oa pick (Simon)
1991 6th OA pick
1993 1st
1994 1st
A good starting Goalie (Hextall)
A flawed top pair dman (Duchesne)
A 6/7 dman in Hoffman

For the 1991 1st OA in Lindros

Flames equivilent
Parekh, Honzek, Gridin, 2027 1st 2028 1st, Andersson, Miromanov, and let’s throw in another 1st and Bahl since we do not have a Hextall equivalent so the return for Markstrom is close enough
 
Forsberg (6th overall) = Honzek (16th overall) + Kerins
Ricci = Zary
Huffman = Brzustewicz + Poirier
Simon = Sharky
Hextall = Coleman
+ 2 1sts + 3 1sts

Something along those lines.
LMAO what is this math?

Forsberg was drafted 6th OA the year prior to the trade (1991 draft) and was putting up ridiculous numbers in Sweden. He had 102 points in 39 games in the U20 league. He was also from the same draft class as Lindros, hence why I said a top 6 pick in next years draft and chose Bjorck. Forsberg is essentially Matvei Michkov in the 2023 draft and there is no chance you think Honzek and Kerins are worth Michkov right?

Ricci was drafted 4th OA in the 1990 draft (2 years before the trade) and already had over 100 points in the NHL before he was 21. By comparable Zary will be 25 and turning 26 by the time McKenna finishes his D+1 season. Zary still doesn't have 100 career points yet and he's 23

Huffman was 24 years old with over 200 NHL games under his belt already. He was drafted 20th OA and quite frankly Coronato was the more accurate comparable there but I went with Honzek. Brzustewics and Poirier have a combined total of zero NHL games and may have less than 10 2 years from now.

Simon was also a 1990 draft pick, 25th OA. He was literally 20 when he was traded. Sharangovich will be 27 in June, and 29 by the end of McKenna's D+1 season. Not even remotely comparable

Hextall was 28, a starting goalie, and a vezina winner. Coleman is turning 34 at the start of next season and is a depth player. He will be 35 turning 36 by the end of McKenna's D+1 season.

Take the homer goggles off man
 
LMAO what is this math?

Forsberg was drafted 6th OA the year prior to the trade (1991 draft) and was putting up ridiculous numbers in Sweden. He had 102 points in 39 games in the U20 league. He was also from the same draft class as Lindros, hence why I said a top 6 pick in next years draft and chose Bjorck. Forsberg is essentially Matvei Michkov in the 2023 draft and there is no chance you think Honzek and Kerins are worth Michkov right?

Ricci was drafted 4th OA in the 1990 draft (2 years before the trade) and already had over 100 points in the NHL before he was 21. By comparable Zary will be 25 and turning 26 by the time McKenna finishes his D+1 season. Zary still doesn't have 100 career points yet and he's 23

Huffman was 24 years old with over 200 NHL games under his belt already. He was drafted 20th OA and quite frankly Coronato was the more accurate comparable there but I went with Honzek. Brzustewics and Poirier have a combined total of zero NHL games and may have less than 10 2 years from now.

Simon was also a 1990 draft pick, 25th OA. He was literally 20 when he was traded. Sharangovich will be 27 in June, and 29 by the end of McKenna's D+1 season. Not even remotely comparable

Hextall was 28, a starting goalie, and a vezina winner. Coleman is turning 34 at the start of next season and is a depth player. He will be 35 turning 36 by the end of McKenna's D+1 season.

Take the homer goggles off man

I mean, it’s clearly just the basis for a potential deal, to show than it can be done. Add or subtract as is necessary. Obviously we have even better players than the guys I mentioned, but Wolf, Parekh, Coro, and Gridin would probably be my untouchables, everybody else and all three of those presumed 1st rounders would be in play. I said earlier that every GM has his price, I guess that goes for me too lol
 
I mean, it’s clearly just the basis for a potential deal, to show than it can be done. Add or subtract as is necessary. Obviously we have even better players than the guys I mentioned, but Wolf, Parekh, Coro, and Gridin would probably be my untouchables, everybody else and all three of those presumed 1st rounders would be in play. I said earlier that every GM has his price, I guess that goes for me too lol
No it's not a basis, you are not remotely close on your evaluations of these players. Nobody is going to trade a perennial superstar for a handful of 2nd liners and over the hill vets. You are asking for someone who has a very good chance of being a top 5-10 player in the league in their prime, you don't get to make an "untouchables" list.
 
No it's not a basis, you are not remotely close on your evaluations of these players. Nobody is going to trade a perennial superstar for a handful of 2nd liners and over the hill vets. You are asking for someone who has a very good chance of being a top 5-10 player in the league in their prime, you don't get to make an "untouchables" list.

It’s a bit tricky to use the Lindros trade as a basis for comparison when it was a totally different era of hockey, but it’s not as though there are many examples of this type of thing ever happening. Doesn’t mean it hasn’t, and doesn’t mean it can’t.

You use the argument that Hextall was a Vezina winner, and that is technically true, but it was his rookie season where he still posted a 3.00 and a .902, and he never came close to replicating even those gaudy numbers again until towards the end of his career (weirdly enough) when he randomly led the league twice in GAA. I tried to counter that by including Coleman for the pedigree of having two Stanley Cups on his resume. Of which Hextall had exactly zero.

We don’t have anywhere close to a Forsberg on our roster (besides maybe Parekh) so we’d have to compensate another way. I thought Honzek because he’s our highest draft pedigree who hasn’t yet played whose name isn’t Parekh. Even Coronato isn’t a Forsberg, but he at least has a higher draft pedigree than Honzek and is already a 20 goal scorer in the NHL. So instead of Honzek we’d probably have to include Coro + another decent somewhat established young player or prospect, of which we have several.

Ricci had a .664 PPG in his first two seasons and Zary is sitting at .53. Ricci never came close to that PPG he hit in his first season with the Nords, it’s not like they would have known what kind of player he’d pan out to be, but just watching Zary I’d bet on him being much better than the .5 and change he’s been thus far.

Kerry Huffman was a 24 year old dman with 23 and 32 point seasons under his belt, who bounced back and forth between Hershey and Philly to that point early in his career. His last year in the OHL he had 35 points in 44 games. Brzu had 92 in 67 a year after posting up 57 in 68. You’re going to tell me that’s not a comparable?

No disrespect to the memory of Chris Simon, but regardless of where he was drafted (#25 is a bit misleading, it was still 2nd round), was a goon. Albeit a goon who managed to score 29 goals one season, but a goon nonetheless. Sharan already has seasons of 24 and 31 goals under his belt two years younger than Simon was at the time of his single 29-goal outlier.

If the Flames have a fire sale and bottom out next season but fall short of 1st overall, they could very well still end up with a top-five pick. If we managed to move Raz for another 2026 1st, we’d have three to include in a deal whereas Philly only included two, and they were in separate drafts.

I never said a potential deal for that 1st overall pick wouldn’t need work. But to suggest that it’s not possible when we are probably one of the only teams in the league who could actually pull it off is asinine. If I’m Conny with say, the 5th overall pick and go up to the GM holding the 1st overall to say, all three of our 1sts in this draft, and any players or prospects you want from our roster basically not named Wolf or Parekh, I have no doubt in my mind that I’m leaving with that 1st overall.
 
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Again nickels and dimes for a loonie. Doesnt work in todays NHL. Conversation starts with Parekh, Zary, Coronato and all the Flames 1st round picks next year. Again, the conversation starts there. 3 years of McKenna on an ELC is a ton of value.
 
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Again nickels and dimes for a loonie. Doesnt work in todays NHL. Conversation starts with Parekh, Zary, Coronato and all the Flames 1st round picks next year. Again, the conversation starts there. 3 years of McKenna on an ELC is a ton of value.

Which I guess would make it a new conversation: would you rather have Insane Zayne or Gav Mac?
 
It’s a bit tricky to use the Lindros trade as a basis for comparison when it was a totally different era of hockey, but it’s not as though there are many examples of this type of thing ever happening. Doesn’t mean it hasn’t, and doesn’t mean it can’t.

You use the argument that Hextall was a Vezina winner, and that is technically true, but it was his rookie season where he still posted a 3.00 and a .902, and he never came close to replicating even those gaudy numbers again until towards the end of his career (weirdly enough) when he randomly led the league twice in GAA. I tried to counter that by including Coleman for the pedigree of having two Stanley Cups on his resume. Of which Hextall had exactly zero.

We don’t have anywhere close to a Forsberg on our roster (besides maybe Parekh) so we’d have to compensate another way. I thought Honzek because he’s our highest draft pedigree who hasn’t yet played whose name isn’t Parekh. Even Coronato isn’t a Forsberg, but he at least has a higher draft pedigree than Honzek and is already a 20 goal scorer in the NHL. So instead of Honzek we’d probably have to include Coro + another decent somewhat established young player or prospect, of which we have several.

Ricci had a .664 PPG in his first two seasons and Zary is sitting at .53. Ricci never came close to that PPG he hit in his first season with the Nords, it’s not like they would have known what kind of player he’d pan out to be, but just watching Zary I’d bet on him being much better than the .5 and change he’s been thus far.

Kerry Huffman was a 24 year old dman with 23 and 32 point seasons under his belt, who bounced back and forth between Hershey and Philly to that point early in his career. His last year in the OHL he had 35 points in 44 games. Brzu had 92 in 67 a year after posting up 57 in 68. You’re going to tell me that’s not a comparable?

No disrespect to the memory of Chris Simon, but regardless of where he was drafted (#25 is a bit misleading, it was still 2nd round), was a goon. Albeit a goon who managed to score 29 goals one season, but a goon nonetheless. Sharan already has seasons of 24 and 31 goals under his belt two years younger than Simon was at the time of his single 29-goal outlier.

If the Flames have a fire sale and bottom out next season but fall short of 1st overall, they could very well still end up with a top-five pick. If we managed to move Raz for another 2026 1st, we’d have three to include in a deal whereas Philly only included two, and they were in separate drafts.

I never said a potential deal for that 1st overall pick wouldn’t need work. But to suggest that it’s not possible when we are probably one of the only teams in the league who could actually pull it off is asinine. If I’m Conny with say, the 5th overall pick and go up to the GM holding the 1st overall to say, all three of our 1sts in this draft, and any players or prospects you want from our roster basically not named Wolf or Parekh, I have no doubt in my mind that I’m leaving with that 1st overall.
The problem with your comparison is that the Nordiques received a bunch of potential high end talent with some already playing in the NHL at young ages and you are sending back players are much older and have less potential by comparison.

For example, what Ricci did after he was traded is irrelevant, he was a beast his first 2 NHL seasons and the 4th OA pick on him seemed very justified. Right now Parekh is our only real comparable to that because the potential is immense there.

You are also completely ignoring that Lindros was drafted in 1991 and was traded a full year later at the 1992 draft because he refused to sign, they got strong armed into moving him. That scenario is almost certainly never going to happen with McKenna, not even with a team like Chicago (he is literally Bedard's cousin, they would probably love to play together).

It's pretty well known Calgary offered their entire draft class of 2013 for 1st OA too and it was declined.
 
The problem with your comparison is that the Nordiques received a bunch of potential high end talent with some already playing in the NHL at young ages and you are sending back players are much older and have less potential by comparison.

For example, what Ricci did after he was traded is irrelevant, he was a beast his first 2 NHL seasons and the 4th OA pick on him seemed very justified. Right now Parekh is our only real comparable to that because the potential is immense there.

You are also completely ignoring that Lindros was drafted in 1991 and was traded a full year later at the 1992 draft because he refused to sign, they got strong armed into moving him. That scenario is almost certainly never going to happen with McKenna, not even with a team like Chicago (he is literally Bedard's cousin, they would probably love to play together).

It's pretty well known Calgary offered their entire draft class of 2013 for 1st OA too and it was declined.

You’re right in that the situation with Lindros was indeed unique, virtually unprecedented. But such situations can only ever come about in the first place when players of that caliber—phenoms basically—are available, which is only so often. But if there was ever a time in Flames franchise history to pull something like this off, it would definitely be in pursuit of that elusive generational player, at the same time as we happen to be more flush for picks, players, and high-end prospects than we ever have. How long do you wait before another Gav Mac comes along?

Is that true about him being cousins with Bedard though? That’s a crazy thing for two cousins to go 1st overall in separate drafts, a few years apart.

I thought that Feaster only offered the three 1sts, no players or prospects, for the pick that turned out to be MacKinnon.
 
Keep in mind that the Lindros trade was also slanted in favour of the acquiring team - Lindros had made his intentions to not sign in QC very clear prior to that.

There is no realistic equivalency to be made, just expect that the cost would be a fair bit higher.
I agree with the starting asking being Parekh & Wolf... I just don't imagine it will be worth it.
 
Draft pick tracker (before draft lottery)
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Not a one for one so its not that simple

No, I meant in the hypothetical sense if the only way to convince a GM to trade the 2026 #1 pick were to send Zayne as part of the package back the other way, would you do it?

Or do you stand pat and hope that one of our four 1sts (five if we get another one for Raz) in the next two drafts turns out to be our diamond in the rough?
 
No, I meant in the hypothetical sense if the only way to convince a GM to trade the 2026 #1 pick were to send Zayne as part of the package back the other way, would you do it?

Or do you stand pat and hope that one of our four 1sts (five if we get another one for Raz) in the next two drafts turns out to be our diamond in the rough?
Depends what the plus is
 

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