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Darth Vladar said:
I’m just saying, if we were to indeed trade Raz for another 2026 1st, there aren’t too many players on our roster that I wouldn’t be willing to package up with those three 1sts for a shot at a generational talent in Gav Mac.
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It's more that the team holding that pick won't want to give up that generational talent either.
 
Ace Rimmer said:
It's more that the team holding that pick won't want to give up that generational talent either.
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Every GM has a price, and three 1sts would be a good place to start. I’d be throwing in Zary, Honzek, Kerins, anybody not named Coronato or Parekh basically lol I’m sure we would be able to make an offer no GM in his right mind could refuse, so long as we had that third 1st rounder.

Edit: I realize Lindros handcuffed the Nords back in the day, but Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, Mike Ricci, Steve Duchesne, Kerry Huffman, Chris Simon, two 1st-rounders and $15 million in cash still got it done. The Flames have the assets to put together a deal twice as good as that.
 
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Darth Vladar said:
Every GM has a price, and three 1sts would be a good place to start. I’d be throwing in Zary, Honzek, Kerins, anybody not named Coronato or Parekh basically lol I’m sure we would be able to make an offer no GM in his right mind could refuse, so long as we had that third 1st rounder.

Edit: I realize Lindros handcuffed the Nords back in the day, but Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, Mike Ricci, Steve Duchesne, Kerry Huffman, Chris Simon, two 1st-rounders and $15 million in cash still got it done. The Flames have the assets to put together a deal twice as good as that.
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There is a reason why top 5 picks are rarely traded any more. In the last 20 years only 3 have been traded... 2 were in trades where the pick was traded more than a year prior (Kessel to Toronto, and Keith Tkachuk to Atlanta... the latter was traded back to ATL to re-acquire Tkachuk's rights, still a year before that draft)...

the other, which is the only top 5 pick knowingly traded, was in 2008 when the Leafs traded up from the 7th pick.
 
Lunatik said:
There is a reason why top 5 picks are rarely traded any more. In the last 20 years only 3 have been traded... 2 were in trades where the pick was traded more than a year prior (Kessel to Toronto, and Keith Tkachuk to Atlanta... the latter was traded back to ATL to re-acquire Tkachuk's rights, still a year before that draft)...

the other, which is the only top 5 pick knowingly traded, was in 2008 when the Leafs traded up from the 7th pick.
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Granted they made the deal with Garth Snow, but it’s still also worth noting that it didn’t cost the Leafs very much at all to move up to 5th: their own 1st (7th overall), a 2008 third (68th overall), and a 2009 second (37th overall). If the Flames were to suck badly enough to get inside of the top-10 next year (not too far a stretch, considering we almost did it this year), three 1sts in the same draft plus five or six high-quality players might be too much for a GM to refuse. Not saying it’s likely to happen, only saying that we’d be in a unique enough position to have something substantial enough to offer for a GM to at least pick up the phone about it. Three 1sts + Zary + Honzek + Brzusty + Kerins + a couple of roster players, I’d do something like that all day.
 
Darth Vladar said:
Granted they made the deal with Garth Snow, but it’s still also worth noting that it didn’t cost the Leafs very much at all to move up to 5th: their own 1st (7th overall), a 2008 third (68th overall), and a 2009 second (37th overall). If the Flames were to suck badly enough to get inside of the top-10 next year (not too far a stretch, considering we almost did it this year), three 1sts in the same draft plus five or six high-quality players might be too much for a GM to refuse. Not saying it’s likely to happen, only saying that we’d be in a unique enough position to have something substantial enough to offer for a GM to at least pick up the phone about it. Three 1sts + Zary + Honzek + Brzusty + Kerins + a couple of roster players, I’d do something like that all day.
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There is 0 chance a GM accepts that for the #1. You want the #1 in 2026, I can guarantee the starting point in Parekh, Coronato and at least 2x1st. It's just not happening, and there is no point in even entertaining the idea.
 
Darth Vladar said:
Every GM has a price, and three 1sts would be a good place to start. I’d be throwing in Zary, Honzek, Kerins, anybody not named Coronato or Parekh basically lol I’m sure we would be able to make an offer no GM in his right mind could refuse, so long as we had that third 1st rounder.

Edit: I realize Lindros handcuffed the Nords back in the day, but Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, Mike Ricci, Steve Duchesne, Kerry Huffman, Chris Simon, two 1st-rounders and $15 million in cash still got it done. The Flames have the assets to put together a deal twice as good as that.
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They don’t. If the Flames had a prospect like Forsberg I wouldn’t be pushing an Andersson trade. plus that trade decimated the Flyers
 
DomBarr said:
They don’t. If the Flames had a prospect like Forsberg I wouldn’t be pushing an Andersson trade. plus that trade decimated the Flyers
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I don’t believe that such a trade would decimate the Flames as you suggest it did the Flyers though. I honestly think the Flames are in a rare position to be able to part with five or six high-end prospects and/or players in addition to the presumed three 1sts and still have a plethora of young and highly skilled players in their system. For all the years that we’ve gone without managing to ever procure that legitimate generational game-changing type of player via the draft, we sure asf better be doing everything within our power to make a play for a stud like Gav Mac otherwise stop complaining about our draft misfortunes. If I’m Conny, I’m already getting my pitch ready for that 1st overall pick if Wolfy & co. won’t let us bottom all the way out for it.
 
Can we get back to talking about guys like Martin, Cootes, Nesbitt & Zonnon?
Man, we're just 3 points back of NJ. I would LOVE to jump them in the standings, and at least pick before Montreal takes our pick.
 
Darth Vladar said:
Every GM has a price, and three 1sts would be a good place to start. I’d be throwing in Zary, Honzek, Kerins, anybody not named Coronato or Parekh basically lol I’m sure we would be able to make an offer no GM in his right mind could refuse, so long as we had that third 1st rounder.

Edit: I realize Lindros handcuffed the Nords back in the day, but Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, Mike Ricci, Steve Duchesne, Kerry Huffman, Chris Simon, two 1st-rounders and $15 million in cash still got it done. The Flames have the assets to put together a deal twice as good as that.
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And the Avs won the cup because of that trade and Lindros didnt. Generational talent only does great playoff things if they are surrounded by good pieces.
 
Zirakzigil said:
And the Avs won the cup because of that trade and Lindros didnt. Generational talent only does great playoff things if they are surrounded by good pieces.
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Not wanting to press the issue too much more than I already have, but we could easily part with Zary, Honzek, Brzustewicz, Kerins, Poirier, Stromgren and STILL have Wolf, Coronato, Parekh, Morin, Gridin, Basha, Battaglia, etc. in addition to Gav Mac if we were indeed successful in trading for him. There’d be no shortage of good pieces to surround him with basically right out the gate, just saying.
 
Darth Vladar said:
No wanting to press the issue too much more than I already have, but we could easily part with Zary, Honzek, Brzustewicz, Kerins, Poirier, Stromgren and STILL have Coronato, Parekh, Morin, Gridin, Basha, Battaglia, etc. in addition to Gav Mac if we were indeed successful in trading for him. There would be no shortage of good pieces to surround him with basically right out the gate, just saying.
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Okay, but you are trying to trade a bunch of nickels and dimes for a loonie. If you offered Zary, Coronato Parekh and a 1st for the 1st overall, I am sure a team would probably go for that. Which is what the Lindros trade was.
 
Zirakzigil said:
Okay, but you are trying to trade a bunch of nickels and dimes for a loonie. If you offered Zary, Coronato Parekh and a 1st for the 1st overall, I am sure a team would probably go for that. Which is what the Lindros trade was.
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No. I’m suggesting we trade Raz for a package that includes another 2026 1st and we bundle all three of our 2026 1sts in addition to whatever combination of prospects and roster players it takes to get a deal done for 1st overall so we can finally nab our generational forward to go along with our stud dman and tendy. If we already end up picking in the top-10, it might not be as difficult to pull off as some around here seem to think.
 
FLAMESFAN said:
Can we get back to talking about guys like Martin, Cootes, Nesbitt & Zonnon?
Man, we're just 3 points back of NJ. I would LOVE to jump them in the standings, and at least pick before Montreal takes our pick.
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It's not going to matter if we pass them in the standings unless we make the playoffs. The Devils have all but locked up the #3 seed in the Metro, they are 7 back of Carolina for 2nd and the Rangers are 8 points back of the Devils with just 7 games left.

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321E-Sharks5076429
312E-Blackhawks5266429
303E-Predators6267424
294Bruins696811
285E-Kraken7068218
276Sabres708861
267Flyers716831
258Penguins726841
249E-Ducks7478817
2310Islanders767901
2211Red Wings777911
2112Blue Jackets778931
2013Rangers797931
1914Mammoths (I hope)806921
1815Canucks817951
1716Flames847981
17-27Playoff Teams eliminated in rounds 1 & 2
24-27Division winners eliminated in rounds 1 & 2
28-29Conference Finalists
31Stanley Cup Finalist
32Stanley Cup Winner
 
Darth Vladar said:
No. I’m suggesting we trade Raz for a package that includes another 2026 1st and we bundle all three of our 2026 1sts in addition to whatever combination of prospects and roster players it takes to get a deal done for 1st overall so we can finally nab our generational forward to go along with our stud dman and tendy. If we already end up picking in the top-10, it might not be as difficult to pull off as some around here seem to think.
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And that conversation starts with the likes of Zary, Coronato and Parekh. Late 1sts arent going to interest a team for the 1st overall.
 
Darth Vladar said:
I might consider Coro if it meant hands off of Parekh. Gav Mac is just that good.
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The conversation for McKenna doesnt even start without Parekh. When the Flames offered every draft pick for Mack that started with 6th overall. Next year its unlikely the Flames are even top 10. Three 1sts in the 15+ range arent going to hold the value to get the conversation started.
 
Zirakzigil said:
The conversation for McKenna doesnt even start without Parekh. When the Flames offered every draft pick for Mack that started with 6th overall. Next year its unlikely the Flames are even top 10. Three 1sts in the 15+ range arent going to hold the value to get the conversation started.
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lol yep, 3 picks in the first round (6, 22 and 28) of a draft believed at the time to be deep and the Avs didn't even blink. In 2026, I'd guess our pick will be in the 11-20 range... Vegas's pick will probably be 25+ and if we trade Ras to a contender, that pick will be 20+ too.
 
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Darth Vladar said:
I’m just saying, if we were to indeed trade Raz for another 2026 1st, there aren’t too many players on our roster that I wouldn’t be willing to package up with those three 1sts for a shot at a generational talent in Gav Mac.
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Well sure but what team would trade down from that pick? Boston had picks 13, 14, and 15 in 2015. Do you think Edmonton would have accepted something like Lucic (26), Krug (23) and those 3 picks for 1st OA? Almost certainly not
 
Ledge And Dairy said:
Well sure but what team would trade down from that pick? Boston had picks 13, 14, and 15 in 2015. Do you think Edmonton would have accepted something like Lucic (26), Krug (23) and those 3 picks for 1st OA? Almost certainly not
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Let’s say our pick is top-10, the contender pick for Raz is 15-20, and the VGK pick is 20-25. Those three picks plus Zary, Honzek, Brzustewicz, Kerins, Poirier, and any two roster players (Sharky and Coleman?) and you’re pretty close to as good of a package as what Philly gave up for Lindros.
 
Let’s forget about the bottom 5 who never move down and just look teams in the next tranche at 6-12. Who thinks they can escape their rebuild soon and would be willing to take two later darts in the 1st round? Maybe the Red Wings? The Pens?

I think Stevie Y is starting to feel the heat for regressing this season and would be willing to take a good roster player and one or both of our firsts in a package. Dubas is definitely in the mix to get fired for plunging deeper into the abyss with Crosby/Malkin/Letang while Ovi leads his team to top of the East. Other than that, it’s a tough sell. There’s some terrible teams in that mix that are many years away
 
Darth Vladar said:
Let’s say our pick is top-10, the contender pick for Raz is 15-20, and the VGK pick is 20-25. Those three picks plus Zary, Honzek, Brzustewicz, Kerins, Poirier, and any two roster players (Sharky and Coleman?) and you’re pretty close to as good of a package as what Philly gave up for Lindros.
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Not only are you talking about a completely different era, but that trade took place a full year after Lindros was drafted. Lindros also refused to sign with the Nordiques, which forced them to trade him. Lastly you can't just say "a top-10 pick," it would have to be at least in next years top ~6. Meaning it would probably have to include one of Stenberg, Roobroeck, Lin, Verhoeff, or Bjorck as the primary prospect going back. The deal also included Mike Ricci so there is no way you can say Parekh is off the table.

So breaking down your comparison it would look something like this:
Forsberg = Bjorck?
Ricci = Parekh
Huffman = Honzek
Simon = Gridin
Hextall = Zary?
+ 2 1sts

And then there was the 15M which can't be traded anymore, and the fact that this trade only happened because of the refusal to sign
 
Ledge And Dairy said:
Not only are you talking about a completely different era, but that trade took place a full year after Lindros was drafted. Lindros also refused to sign with the Nordiques, which forced them to trade him. Lastly you can't just say "a top-10 pick," it would have to be at least in next years top ~6. Meaning it would probably have to include one of Stenberg, Roobroeck, Lin, Verhoeff, or Bjorck as the primary prospect going back. The deal also included Mike Ricci so there is no way you can say Parekh is off the table.

So breaking down your comparison it would look something like this:
Forsberg = Bjorck?
Ricci = Parekh
Huffman = Honzek
Simon = Gridin
Hextall = Zary?
+ 2 1sts

And then there was the 15M which can't be traded anymore, and the fact that this trade only happened because of the refusal to sign
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Forsberg (6th overall) = Honzek (16th overall) + Kerins
Ricci = Zary
Huffman = Brzustewicz + Poirier
Simon = Sharky
Hextall = Coleman
+ 2 1sts + 3 1sts

Something along those lines.
 
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