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HandshakeLine said:
The team is going nowhere even with McQueen. I don’t think anyone we draft makes any difference whatsoever.
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Yeah, I'm not even really convinced Schaefer or Misa are genuine building block level guys tbh. Anybody the Pens get will be firmly in the supporting cast role, unless they fall bass ackwards into insane luck and a kid goes nuclear in his post-draft years like Jake.

But that's fine. I really like the idea of having young but established guys in place for when this team's (hopefully) landing foundation stone-type prospects. You really kinda gotta go pedal to the floor while they're on ELCs imo.
 
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Big Friggin Dummy said:
Yeah, I'm not even really convinced Schaefer or Misa are genuine building block level guys tbh. Anybody the Pens get will be firmly in the supporting cast role, unless they fall bass ackwards into insane luck and a kid goes nuclear in his post-draft years like Jake.

But that's fine. I really like the idea of having young but established guys in place for when this team's (hopefully) landing foundation stone-type prospects. You really kinda gotta go pedal to the floor while they're on ELCs imo.
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Which is why I'm kind of fully into the idea of a guy like Martin who is fun to watch and fills a need.
 
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HandshakeLine said:
Which is why I'm kind of fully into the idea of a guy like Martin who is fun to watch and fills a need.
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Yeah. I like Martin a lot too. The good thing about a guy like Eklund or Bear is that they're also kinda gritty in their own right, so there's a good chance we don't just end up with a Sheary type guy.

Martin seems to be another level of physical though. Outside of someone like Martone or Hagens falling into the team's lap, Martin's the guy I'm hoping for. We see year after year how valuable a skilled, but physical player can be in the playoffs; Bennett, Marchand, and even a guy like Kunitz in his heyday.
 
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Does anyone here dislike the idea of drafting Martin? I thought most have been very positive with the idea, I just don't think he'll last to the Penguins pick.

I'm still generally hoping for Eklund because he seems like the most likely guy I like that will actually be available at #11, and I think his upside is pretty high. He'd probably be the best prospect in their pool immediately.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
Does anyone here dislike the idea of drafting Martin? I thought most have been very positive with the idea, I just don't think he'll last to the Penguins pick.

I'm still generally hoping for Eklund because he seems like the most likely guy I like that will actually be available at #11, and I think his upside is pretty high. He'd probably be the best prospect in their pool immediately.
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Oh I wasn't speaking about us drafting Martin, more just like the organization's desire to run a "clean" team probably cost us a few cups (or at least a few deep runs) along the way. If Martin falls to us and we take him, it's absolutely a sea change in the organization, and one I'd welcome.
 
HandshakeLine said:
Oh I wasn't speaking about us drafting Martin, more just like the organization's desire to run a "clean" team probably cost us a few cups (or at least a few deep runs) along the way. If Martin falls to us and we take him, it's absolutely a sea change in the organization, and one I'd welcome.
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It didnt help that at the time, the league and media treated emplying Matt Cooke as a war crime, and somehow the Pens were the bad guys in the NYI brawl, all because DiPietro lost a fight he agreed to.

Pretty convenient how later no one has batted an eye at the likes of Wilson and the entire Florida roster and their antics over the years.
 
I think a large part of it was actually probably because Mario used to criticize the league for goonery and borderline play, which is absolutely true and fair. So, the rest of the NHL jumped at the chance to paint us as hypocrites and we backed away from goons like they were lepers. But we also clearly moved away from it during the Sullivan era too, so it's not just because of Lemieux.

Fortunately, neither of the two are here now.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
Does anyone here dislike the idea of drafting Martin? I thought most have been very positive with the idea, I just don't think he'll last to the Penguins pick.

I'm still generally hoping for Eklund because he seems like the most likely guy I like that will actually be available at #11, and I think his upside is pretty high. He'd probably be the best prospect in their pool immediately.
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I'm skeptical of average sized players like Aitcheson and Martin being able to impose any major physical advantage in the NHL. Though I am higher on Martin than Aitcheson as I think size is more important for dmen.
 
HandshakeLine said:
I think a large part of it was actually probably because Mario used to criticize the league for goonery and borderline play, which is absolutely true and fair. So, the rest of the NHL jumped at the chance to paint us as hypocrites and we backed away from goons like they were lepers. But we also clearly moved away from it during the Sullivan era too, so it's not just because of Lemieux.

Fortunately, neither of the two are here now.
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True, I think it’s pretty clear Lemieux was low key hated around the league at least by the old school players and execs. Funny how they employed the last goon in Laraques but couldnt transition to acquire the Marchand pest type player or dirty goon who can score like Lucic.

Did we ever have a shot or miss on a Marchand type player? I know Reaves was supposed to be the answer to the lack of toughness, which went down in a flaming dumpster fire.
 
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I'm skeptical of average sized players like Aitcheson and Martin being able to impose any major physical advantage in the NHL. Though I am higher on Martin than Aitcheson as I think size is more important for dmen.
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Don’t be surprised if Martin comes in at 6’1 190 and Aitcheson comes in at 6’3 205 at the combine.
 
HandshakeLine said:
It is wild to me that the Pens have literally lost several great shots at a cup because we don’t believe in physicality and yet people still downplay the effectiveness of big, mean, physical rule-breaking players. :laugh:
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I think there's a lot of things we can point to in each of the losses but I've never felt "oh man if only we were more physical" as one of them. Which year do you think this is most apparent? I would say the years it was most apparent for me are, oddly, the years we won the cup.
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Don’t be surprised if Martin comes in at 6’1 190 and Aitcheson comes in at 6’3 205 at the combine.
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If NYR give us their pick, Martin+Aitcheson would be a fantastic duo to draft provided there are no other centers at 12.

I had a dream where Anaheim took Reschny. I believe Buffalo took McQueen. So something like: Schaeffer, Misa, Hagens, Martone, Desnoyers, Frondell, McQueen, JOB, Martin, Aitcheson.

Not completely unreasonable.
 
It's super unrealistic but man, I just wanna find a way to get Hagens. If really seems like he's gonna drop and guys like Frondell, Desnoyers etc get picked over him.

If he drops to 7/8, maybe you can entice Seattle or Boston by taking cap dumps. #7 + Korpisalo for #11 + maybe a late pick or #8 +Grubuaer for #11. On raw value the Pens get boned but you have a chance to get a top line guy with the #11
 
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Malkinstheman said:
It's super unrealistic but man, I just wanna find a way to get Hagens. If really seems like he's gonna drop and guys like Frondell, Desnoyers etc get picked over him.

If he drops to 7/8, maybe you can entice Seattle or Boston by taking cap dumps. #7 + Korpisalo for #11 + maybe a late pick or #8 +Grubuaer for #11. On raw value the Pens get boned but you have a chance to get a top line guy with the #11
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Yeah would definitely support that but like you said, not realistic. Trades inside the top 10 are really uncommon.
 
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SEALBound said:
I think there's a lot of things we can point to in each of the losses but I've never felt "oh man if only we were more physical" as one of them. Which year do you think this is most apparent? I would say the years it was most apparent for me are, oddly, the years we won the cup.
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2013/2014 maybe? 2010 they got a bit pushed around by Montreal. Can't even remember who they lost to in 2011.
 
HandshakeLine said:
Oh I wasn't speaking about us drafting Martin, more just like the organization's desire to run a "clean" team probably cost us a few cups (or at least a few deep runs) along the way. If Martin falls to us and we take him, it's absolutely a sea change in the organization, and one I'd welcome.
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I don't know that we lost any series due to not being tough enough. Like none of the cheap shots that Washington etc did to us are being stopped if we had a bigger goonier team. Florida themselves have still taken their fair share of injuries in this and last year's playoffs and they're the toughest team around.

All that being said, I do think toughness is a great element to have. Not because of what it prevents, but being able to put a physical toll on the other team is really nice to be able to do.

But I'll take any good player in this draft. I don't care if they're a 5 foot 5 munchkin or a 6 foot 4 beast. Just hit on some picks. We need it. I don't think there's any one way to build a team.
 
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Interesting part of an article that Dubas had a better offer from the Canes on the Jake trade which I believe was Morrow RD as one of the players. But Dubas wanted more quantity and a pick back that turned into Brunicke and Pononarev, Koivunen, the LW and the players now at ASU. Pens will not get another Sid so they have to get quality in the next couple of drafts and use trades and offer sheets to add like ST Louis did.
 
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Interesting part of an article that Dubas had a better offer from the Canes on the Jake trade which I believe was Morrow RD as one of the players. But Dubas wanted more quantity and a pick back that turned into Brunicke and Pononarev, Koivunen, the LW and the players now at ASU. Pens will not get another Sid so they have to get quality in the next couple of drafts and use trades and offer sheets to add like ST Louis did.
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I think that was the right choice
 
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Good news is even in a weaker draft depth wise, there are a number of centers that offer good upside. Center and RW and if that is not there then LD.
 
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