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Prospect Info: 2025 Draft: We are #1….1

Surprising amount of '07s ranked high in the '26 draft. Roobroeck, Stenberg, McKenna, etc. Or maybe just by them being slightly older they've separated themselves slightly earlier than the '08s have but they'll catch up.
 
I'd love to get O'Brien at #11, just because #11 feels like an appropriate spot for him and he fills a massive long-term need for the team. That said, I'm really skeptical he slides out of the top-10, so I'm curious what basis Jesse is using to say that he's confident he'll make it to #11.

It can definitely happen, it just requires Eklund going in the top-10 while O'Brien slides, but I'm pretty skeptical that happens. I can't see NHL teams deciding to go with an undersized Euro winger over a big Canadian center. I guess I can see it though if the top-10 goes something like:

1. NYI: Schaefer
2. San Jose: Misa
3. Chicago: Frondell
4. Utah: Martone
5. Nashville: Hagens
6. Philly: Desnoyers
7. Boston: Martin
8. Seattle: Eklund
9. Buffalo: Mrtka
10. Anaheim: McQueen

Eklund to Seattle does feel like a fit there.
 
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I think the whole “Eklund will slide and go after the Cs” thing is getting overblown a bit. It’s not just set in stone.

Are small players on the wing devalued this time of year? 100%. But it’s not like a given that every single team ahead of us is gonna be like “ah we love him but can’t take him yet. A center is on the board”.

I think it’s perfectly feasible he slides. But I think it’s perfectly feasible he goes 7th, 8th etc.
 
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I think the whole “Eklund will slide and go after the Cs” thing is getting overblown a bit. It’s not just set in stone.

Are small players on the wing devalued this time of year? 100%. But it’s not like a given that every single team ahead of us is gonna be like “ah we love him but can’t take him yet. A center is on the board”.

I think it’s perfectly feasible he slides. But I think it’s perfectly feasible he goes 7th, 8th etc.

That's actually why I think Eklund to Seattle makes a bit of sense, they're well set at center and have shown to be willing to take undersized skilled forwards like Catton and Firkus.

I don't think Boston (seems to want a center plus size), Buffalo (redundant in their prospect pool) or Anaheim (seems to want size) would take Eklund, but I definitely can see Seattle taking him.
 
That's actually why I think Eklund to Seattle makes a bit of sense, they're well set at center and have shown to be willing to take undersized skilled forwards like Catton and Firkus.

I don't think Boston (seems to want a center plus size), Buffalo (redundant in their prospect pool) or Anaheim (seems to want size) would take Eklund, but I definitely can see Seattle taking him.
I don’t think that’s the right way to look at it. If anything teams don’t like redundancy. Seattle may steer clear of another small F since they have so many. Vice versa for Anaheim.

Ultimately it’ll be interesting. I think if you are the type of scout that views Hagens as a wing.. you might have Eklund higher. Or maybe he’s top 5 on Buffalo and Seattles board but Martone and Hagens fall to them and each team has him a spot higher, and bc of that he gets all the way to us.

I guarantee a few teams have him top 5. I guarantee a few have him closer to 12ish.
 
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At this point I'm fine with O'Brien. Major PP merchant is concerning but I think you can work with his skill and maybe hope he improves his 5-on-5 play as he develops. Probably the highest ceiling of anyone where we'll be picking.
 
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I don’t think that’s the right way to look at it. If anything teams don’t like redundancy. Seattle may steer clear of another small F since they have so many. Vice versa for Anaheim.

Ultimately it’ll be interesting. I think if you are the type of scout that views Hagens as a wing.. you might have Eklund higher. Or maybe he’s top 5 on Buffalo and Seattles board but Martone and Hagens fall to them and each team has him a spot higher, and bc of that he gets all the way to us.

I guarantee a few teams have him top 5. I guarantee a few have him closer to 12ish.

I don't think they have that many, they've shown to be willing to draft small forwards but they don't have a ton of them. That said, if we're talking needs based I think Seattle could take a defenseman with that pick because they have absolutely gone crazy forward heavy in their drafts so far. In their history, they've used all 4 1st rounders and 7 of 10 second rounders on forwards. The two defensemen they've taken with their 2nds are both OFD types as well, with Evans and Dragicevic as those two defensemen. If anyone could reach for someone like Smith in the top-10, I'd bet on them.

I also know that Anaheim doesn't have many small forwards, but that seems to be intentional with Verbeek heavily focusing on adding size and physicality.
 
he is kind of a very poor man’s EP40 as is. I think that’s both good and scary. Like if he can’t really put on mass and explosion we know it can work in the NHL. EP had a Selke caliber 100 point year. But also imagine EP40 with a muffin shot? He creates space and offense bc his shot is so elite. Makes it murkier with O’Brien.

not comparing overall skillset or style but the way he wants to slow everything to a standstill is like how Mittelstadt was as a prospect. Don’t mean it in a good or bad way.

I think you’re drafting him hoping his body completely changes. If so you may really have something. If not he probably ends up as a PP specialist who bounces around the league like Spooner, Strome, etc but with some more defensive responsibility.

When we were looking at drafting 5-7 ish I wasn’t into it bc of the alternatives. I think at 11 it’s a very fair bet. That said I am of the opinion that why not take Kindel if you want O’Brien. It’s that same “can they mature into a man and add explosion” argument but Kindel way more projectable without sacrificing a ton of upside IMO.
 
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O'Brien has always been my favorite prospect for us since this whole process began. Misa too, but he left my radar once we lost the lottery.

So if he fell to 11 that would be a massive win for this franchise. But I am with Old Master, here. I would like to ensure we land him rather than hope we land him.

I think this top 10 is all over the place and virtually nothing is set in stone at this time. The only thing I am fairly certain of is that there are 11 players who are likely top-10 picks. So we need the right guy to fall to 11.

1. NYI - Hagens (I have a feeling they will work out a deal with either SJ or Chi, and perhaps BOTH, to secure the homegrown kid). Personally, I would take Hagens if I were NYI.

2. SJ - Schaefer. I think they need D more than F but all of Schaefer, Misa or Martone could be picked here. Also, I am not convinced that Schaefer will be better than Dickinson, who I think is underrated as an all-around stud. But why not have two LD?

3. Chi - Misa or Martone. They cannot go wrong with either.

4. Uta - Martone or Misa. They will take the guy Chicago passes on.

5. Nsh - Frondell or Desnoyers. They will take a center, book it. Which one is a coin flip.

6. Phi - Desnoyers or Frondell. They take the guy Nashville passes on and will be overjoyed.

7. Bos - Martin or McQueen. If they go safe, they take Martin. If they swing for the HR, McQueen.

8. Sea - Mrtka or Eklund. I think Mrtka is their pick because they need RD and this guy played in their backyard. I think that can be a factor for sure.

9. Buf - I am almost positive that somebody will be trading with Buffalo to move up here. Is it to take McQueen? Is it to take Eklund? Is it to take our beloved Jake O'Brien? Probably 1 of 3.

10. Ana - Another wild card pick here. They went off the board last season with Sennecke, and I think they are probably happy with that pick. So maybe they do it again? They have young talent all over the NHL roster, so could they trade out as well?


It would be very disappointing if we wound up with a LD or a winger not named Eklund this year. I suppose Smith and Atcheson could fill a long-range need but I want a center in the worst way.
 
Beyond not wanting to risk an unprotected 1st, the way people are talking about this draft, 12th overall this year sounds like it's not all that much better than 20 OA next year. If the Rangers believe that, that's a big risk for not much reward.
If they do end up giving us the pick, I believe this will be there primary reasoning.
Isn't pick 5 where the blue chip prospects run out? That feels like a bad deal in any draft, but particularly this one.
Scheaffer and Misa are 1-2 and then you have:

Hagens, Frondell, Desnoyers, O'Brien, Martin, and Eklund (MAYBE McQueen based on who is ranking) are all in that 3-8 range where you could debate who is the BPA. It's really reminisc of the 2006 draft where, after the consensus #1ov pick of Erik Johnson, you had Toews, Staal, Backstrom, and Kessel at 2-5 and it was anyones guess on who would go where.

I think you're still getting a pretty darn good prospect up to then. After that, it's a bunch of next-tier guys. I would probably feel the same bout them as I did Pickering or Poulin.
 
I think Dylan Strome is a really good comparison for O'Brien, but personally I view that as a positive comparison. Anyone they're going to take at #11 is most likely going to be a complementary 2nd line caliber guy down the line, so getting a playmaking 2C that is good defensively and is a great powerplay player seems like a really good pick at #11. He may not solve your 1C spot long-term, but he seems like a good bet to solve your 2C spot long-term and has the upside to possibly solve the 1C spot.

I think their long-term 2nd line with McGroarty-O'Brien-Koivunen would be sitting really well if they were to get O'Brien this year. You still need to get the 1st line players in addition to the defense, but the 2nd line looks well set up with that. I know it's a slower line, but all 3 of those guys play with a similar pace of play so I think they could complement each other well.
 
I think Dylan Strome is a really good comparison for O'Brien, but personally I view that as a positive comparison. Anyone they're going to take at #11 is most likely going to be a complementary 2nd line caliber guy down the line, so getting a playmaking 2C that is good defensively and is a great powerplay player seems like a really good pick at #11. He may not solve your 1C spot long-term, but he seems like a good bet to solve your 2C spot long-term and has the upside to possibly solve the 1C spot.

I think their long-term 2nd line with McGroarty-O'Brien-Koivunen would be sitting really well if they were to get O'Brien this year. You still need to get the 1st line players in addition to the defense, but the 2nd line looks well set up with that. I know it's a slower line, but all 3 of those guys play with a similar pace of play so I think they could complement each other well.
Cody Glass is a good comparison as well. O'Brien needs to learn to play at pace or he'll be a bust. I'd still be very happy if PIT could get him at #11 because of the upside. I'm still quite skeptical he'll be available at #11 just based on his size and position. Maybe if more dmen go top 10 he could slide.
 
Cody Glass is a good comparison as well. O'Brien needs to learn to play at pace or he'll be a bust. I'd still be very happy if PIT could get him at #11 because of the upside. I'm still quite skeptical he'll be available at #11 just based on his size and position. Maybe if more dmen go top 10 he could slide.

Tbh I think a huge reason Glass busted was due to injuries and poor development by Vegas. I definitely see the comparison, but the dude missed an insane amount of games from 2018-2021 that really screwed with his development.

He only played in 44 regular season games in 2018-2019 and 41 regular season games in both 2019-2020 and 2020-2021. Missing that much time as a 19-22 year old is a major blow to a player's development.
 
April 19th, 2025 - Brantford Bulldogs vs. Oshawa Generals

By David St-Louis
2025-05-16

Jake O'Brien continues to be one of the better power play quarterbacks in the league. At the half-wall, he has those shimmy fakes with his shoulders and rapid handling. He opens up his body, faces his options and looks for the cross-ice pass. He hits those seams at a high frequency. O'Brien also had some creative passing at five-on-five: a back pass without looking to a teammate attacking the slot and a slip one under a stick. What he has to work on are pretty clear. He needs extra speed to pressure and catch up to opponents on the backcheck, and he has to work on getting open in and around the slot and on his ability to resist contact in high-danger areas. He's still hope-passing frequently at five-on-five, but that's partly because that's his only tool to make plays. He's an underdeveloped prospect with an elite attribute. A potential top-six forward and PP quarterback.


April 10th, 2025 - Brantford Bulldogs vs. Oshawa Generals

By Cam Robinson
2025-05-19

O’Brien’s playmaking toolkit was on full display in this outing, driving Brantford’s offence with layered creativity and complex reads. Early in the game, he attempted a spinning backhand pass through the crease that narrowly missed connecting. Since that one didn't work, he went back to the same move in the second period. This time, extending for a rebound, spinning on his backhand and feeding the slot for a tap-in goal. His vision carried over to the power play as well, where he grabbed a primary assist by walking downhill from the point on an angle, drawing coverage, and delivering a perfectly timed shot-pass to the far post for the tip-in. He capped his night with a setup on the empty-net goal. O’Brien excels in manipulating pace and constantly shifting gears to open passing lanes and find soft ice in dangerous areas. His head is always up, scanning, adjusting routes, and inviting defenders to make the first move before slicing them apart with a feed. Defensively, he was reading the play well, stepping into lanes, blocking shots, and transitioning the puck up ice with control and urgency. While he clearly favours the pass, and with good reason, there’s untapped scoring potential in his game. Convincing him to lean more into his shot, particularly off of deceptive setups, could elevate him from a gifted playmaker to a dual-threat offensive engine. That threat will only help his passing game out too, as defenders can't sag off anticipating the pass. Similarly, adding more strength and directness when attacking the middle would round out his game and help him better handle pro-level pressure. With refinement and maturity, he has the makings of a dynamic top-six forward.
 
At this point I'm fine with O'Brien. Major PP merchant is concerning but I think you can work with his skill and maybe hope he improves his 5-on-5 play as he develops. Probably the highest ceiling of anyone where we'll be picking.
Obviously very different players but I know Tage Thompson had a similar concern his draft year. Like all but one of his goals came on the PP or something crazy like that.
 
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i think the PP merchant thing isnt the actual red flag tbh, it’s a symptom

His skating just limits him. Makes him have to slow it down. Limits the space he can create at 5v5. It’s not even horrible he just has like zero power or explosion.
 
i think the PP merchant thing isnt the actual red flag tbh, it’s a symptom

His skating just limits him. Makes him have to slow it down. Limits the space he can create at 5v5. It’s not even horrible he just has like zero power or explosion.
It's not the skating necessarily that concerns me. Though I think he's slow in that regard too. It's the mental processing that I worry about. I think he can be a very capable top six center with minus skating but plus mental processing given his tools. Which is like Dylan Strome. But if that mental processing never catches up, he's screwed. To be fair, maybe he does possess that mental processing pace now and doesn't need to display it because of the junior level competition too. Just hard to gauge.
 
It's not the skating necessarily that concerns me. Though I think he's slow in that regard too. It's the mental processing that I worry about. I think he can be a very capable top six center with minus skating but plus mental processing given his tools. Which is like Dylan Strome. But if that mental processing never catches up, he's screwed. To be fair, maybe he does possess that mental processing pace now and doesn't need to display it because of the junior level competition too. Just hard to gauge.
I think he does. He’s very dangerous and creative and sees the ice well.

If I take him I am putting him with a skating coach, forcing him to college next year and burning Bergeron tape into his brain clockwork orange style.

I think whoever likes him probably loves the brain/processor and is probably betting on physical runway. And that a tad more pace comes with physical runway.
 
I'd love to get O'Brien at #11, just because #11 feels like an appropriate spot for him and he fills a massive long-term need for the team. That said, I'm really skeptical he slides out of the top-10, so I'm curious what basis Jesse is using to say that he's confident he'll make it to #11.

It can definitely happen, it just requires Eklund going in the top-10 while O'Brien slides, but I'm pretty skeptical that happens. I can't see NHL teams deciding to go with an undersized Euro winger over a big Canadian center. I guess I can see it though if the top-10 goes something like:

1. NYI: Schaefer
2. San Jose: Misa
3. Chicago: Frondell
4. Utah: Martone
5. Nashville: Hagens
6. Philly: Desnoyers
7. Boston: Martin
8. Seattle: Eklund
9. Buffalo: Mrtka
10. Anaheim: McQueen

Eklund to Seattle does feel like a fit there.

My prediction/hope would be

1. NYI: Schaefer
2. SJ: Misa
3. CHI: Martone
4. UTAH: Frondell
5. NSH: Hagens
6. PHI: Desnoyers
7. BOS: Smith
8. SEA: Mrtka
9. BUF: Martin
10. ANA: McQueen
11. PIT: Eklund
12 PIT: O' Brien
 
Is there really any reason at all NYR would give up this years pick as opposed to next years?
Their current roster has a super-small window remaining. If they think they're going to be competitive next year, a later 2026 1st is likely a more valuable trade deadline asset than whoever they'd draft at 12 this year, just due to asset-flexibility alone.

That said, I assume they will give us their 12th this year, but really hope they give us their 2026 instead.
 
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