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Adding Kreider to the 12th and K. Miller probably diminishes the return there. I would keep Kreider separate.
 
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eco's bones said:
I don't know if Potter with his size projects very well as a C. The game is not just offense......a C has to be good both sides of the puck. Potter's skating would give him the ability to cover a wide area away from the puck but it's kind of like with Jack Hughes.....size and strength facing much bigger matchups (some of whom will be excellent players in their own right) might often put him at a disadvantage in defensive situations. Also his skating is something I think I'd more like from a wing than a center trying to fast break out plays. I'd want him jumping out in the neutral zone more.....not so much defensive responsibility but a fast break player like Caufield.
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Disagree with all of this.

Hes a different skater than Jack Hughes (Hughes' strength lies his edge work, his speed good but isn't really anything spectacular) and at the very least, has shown he's more than willing to put in the effort required to pick up guys on the back check and will often get himself back into a good defensive position using his feet to break up a rush attempt against where he's caught a bit deep where other guys would just be toast.

There are certainly advantages to being bigger, especially on the defensive side of things (if you take up more space, thats less space for your opposition to operate) but a lot of defense is knowing where to go and giving a shit. It's not sexy or fun so people generally don't really focus/care but Potter has at least shown that he's willing to put in the effort to cover himself in his own end and thats most of the battle.
 
eco's bones said:
I don't know if Potter with his size projects very well as a C. The game is not just offense......a C has to be good both sides of the puck. Potter's skating would give him the ability to cover a wide area away from the puck but it's kind of like with Jack Hughes.....size and strength facing much bigger matchups (some of whom will be excellent players in their own right) might often put him at a disadvantage in defensive situations. Also his skating is something I think I'd more like from a wing than a center trying to fast break out plays. I'd want him jumping out in the neutral zone more.....not so much defensive responsibility but a fast break player like Caufield.
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Same concerns about this guy. ..
 

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GoAwayPanarin said:
Disagree with all of this.

Hes a different skater than Jack Hughes (Hughes' strength lies his edge work, his speed good but isn't really anything spectacular) and at the very least, has shown he's more than willing to put in the effort required to pick up guys on the back check and will often get himself back into a good defensive position using his feet to break up a rush attempt against where he's caught a bit deep where other guys would just be toast.

There are certainly advantages to being bigger, especially on the defensive side of things (if you take up more space, thats less space for your opposition to operate) but a lot of defense is knowing where to go and giving a shit. It's not sexy or fun so people generally don't really focus/care but Potter has at least shown that he's willing to put in the effort to cover himself in his own end and thats most of the battle.
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Well I'd think the defenisive responsibilities of the center position would become much more of a challenge for him once he hits a pros and I'd be betting he'd end up a winger anyway. To me playing on the wing would play more to his skating strengths as a pro and he wouldn't be tied so much to the defensive end of things.

Top college programs, European and CHL hockey are great avenues for teenage player development but earmarking players for the center position is one of those things that more often than not doesn't work out as hoped. I look at Potter right now more as a forward than as a positional center. He's got one year of a college for a pretty good (hardly great though) program. I see a potential Caufiled type player but I don't see a center and he'll probably need a couple more years before turning pro as it is.

Almost to the same point and despite all his puck skills I see Perreault as a winger too---though to me he has more of what I looked for from a center than Potter does. And if I want to go center in this draft there are other guys......Martin maybe....Cootes maybe who project for that position much better IMO than Potter does.
 
Kendo said:
For me, there's a well-defined top 7 that's inaccessible.

Then 4 guys that I'd want. Martin, McQueen, Smith, Aitcheson. If they go 8-11 and no one drops from the top 7, then I'd be pissed.

Even if we elect to keep the pick, nothing's stopping us from offering PIT to re-swap so they can get two in a row. That is, if we don't like the way it plays out. If PIT really likes how it plays out, they might even send us a tiny something extra.
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would you just trade us this year's pick. and we will keep your first next year. that is if you're trading the pick anyway. what would be the asking price?
 
The Old Master said:
would you just trade us this year's pick. and we will keep your first next year. that is if you're trading the pick anyway. what would be the asking price?
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My take is that we can elect to keep this year's pick 48 hours before the draft. Then, if PIT likes how the top 10 plays out more than we do, we can offer to swap with next year's for a small add "for free."

If you want your own this year, ours this year, your own next year, AND ours next year...I don't see a deal there.

The asking price would just be "the right player."
 
Lots and lots of CHL players are too young to play college hockey. I suspect some 18 year olds will switch to the NCAA but year to year there's not really all that many 18 year olds that play Div. 1 college hockey. It seems to me what NCAA teams are more likely to grab from CHL teams are your 19 and 20 year olds and at the same time you'll still see plenty of 22 to 25 year olds from team to team on those same NCAA teams and there are only so many good to top end college programs as well.

Basically the dynamic for who can be recruited has been changed but water will find it's own level and so will this. If a player is really really good he's going to much more likely want to turn pro and it won't matter NCAA or CHL. Taking Cuylle as an example---played for Windsor---by the time he's 19 he's heading for the pros---going college at that point if he had the option wouldn't have made much sense.
 
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Kendo said:
My take is that we can elect to keep this year's pick 48 hours before the draft. Then, if PIT likes how the top 10 plays out more than we do, we can offer to swap with next year's for a small add "for free."

If you want your own this year, ours this year, your own next year, AND ours next year...I don't see a deal there.

The asking price would just be "the right player."
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we could give you rust, but it would need to be as a player to be named later. (he has a no trade that runs out after the draft) he's one of sully's favorites and on a good contract.
 
Penn state trying to really load up after reaching the frozen 4 for the first time huh?

Aside from Jackson they got a good transfer goalie in Kevin Reidler, and good forward from the CHL Luke Misa. They must be promising these guys some good ice time.
 
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The expectation is that Gavin McKenna will also go the NCAA route next year (he's a late 07, so he graduates HS this month.)

Schaefer should probably do it as well. Im sure who ever takes him will be tempted to throw him into the fire next year but the guy has only played 73 games in the last 2 years.
 
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RangersFan1994 said:
I agree. I can also see these scenarios

Kreider traded for either a 1st, and or 2ed and other picks
Those picks used to move up into the draft or to acquire someone like Rossi.

Maybe Rangers package Kreider KAM and 12 to see what they can get.


I bet the Rangers keep the pick to either get someone like Rossi, move up in the draft, or package to change the culture like a Tkachuk level of change of what happened with the Panthers.


If the Rangers were to package Kreider, KAM and 12, I wonder what they can get.


Any chance Drury packages Kreider or KAM with the 12th overall?? I bet he can get a solid return.

But the real question is

can K’Andre Miller, Kreider and 12th overall package get a top 5 pick?
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Miller + 12 might be able to get Utah’s 4th…

Miller is worth a first. I know we hate on him but we hate on everything
 
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