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Prospect Info: 2025 DRAFT Discussion

I’m sure no matter what they’re confident they will be better next year, unlike us with our 1st in the last draft.

Them picking 13th or higher and giving us the pick anyway is Drury admitting they plan on being worse next year.
 
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eXile3 said:
It’s not insulting, it’s biology. Reaction times usually start to really degrade in the your late 30s, early 40s.

The idea an athlete can work really hard and fight off regression forever is fantastical. To my knowledge Selanne is the only player to average over a PPG at 40 or older in 50+ years.

So could he? Yes, but that’s unlikely, and not something really completely in his control. Even if you draft a Frondell, Eklund, Desnoyers, it will be at least 2-3 years before they’re effective hockey players.

The amount of unlikely things that would need to lineup for this to happen makes it really unlikely.
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Nobody's denying that. The issue is that people were talking about Crosby being a 55 point scorer when he turns 40 as though that's simply understood, and its not.

There's a lot of road between 55 points and a point per game. Crosby could still be a very effective scoring line center putting up ~70 points per, and that's attainable for years yet if Crosby stays healthy and the Pens execute shrewd drafting, asset leverage, and FA signings.

The Pens have the resources to improve in any number of ways - not least of which is cap space after next year. It's all about how they use them.
 
Ragamuffin Gunner said:
f***ing 5-1-0 since the TDL.

Not moving Grys and Rak is really gonna hurt them in the long term.
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It was incompetence by Dubas. Rakell is having a career year and his value was never going to be higher. Same with Grzelcyk. Just pure stupidity keeping them which was only going to help them down the stretch now instead of

1st + prospect + 3rd plus and a possible top 5 pick we have Rakell at end of career and a pick that will probably be 8th or worse. Not how to rebuild
 
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Jacob said:
They can just start shutting guys down. It’s literally that easy. Every player on the team has an injury at this time of the year, just start sitting them and calling them DTD.
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For instance tonight at Florida…can’t everyone not named Geno also get debilitating sunburns? Our emergency calls ups would be Mike Velluci and the Zamboni driver….
 
Guins71 said:
It was incompetence by Dubas. Rakell is having a career year and his value was never going to be higher. Same with Grzelcyk. Just pure stupidity keeping them which was only going to help them down the stretch now instead of

1st + prospect + 3rd plus and a possible top 5 pick we have Rakell at end of career and a pick that will probably be 8th or worse. Not how to rebuild
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They can trade Rakell in the offseason if they want to.
 
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Guins71 said:
It was incompetence by Dubas. Rakell is having a career year and his value was never going to be higher. Same with Grzelcyk. Just pure stupidity keeping them which was only going to help them down the stretch now instead of

1st + prospect + 3rd plus and a possible top 5 pick we have Rakell at end of career and a pick that will probably be 8th or worse. Not how to rebuild
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Damn, it sucks that Rakell isn't allowed to be traded because he wasn't traded at the deadline.
 
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In any event, tanking for McKenna is an actual goal this team should be trying to accomplish.

It'd be nice to have a top 5 pick, and it still might happen with a bit of lotto luck and a bad stretch of games to close out the season here. But McKenna is a genuine foundational piece. Dude's on a 40 game point streak, has 23pts in his past 5 games, has 126pts in 55GP, and he's still a year out from eligibility.

If this team f***s up their shot by trying to remain semi relevant or whatever, that'll be grounds for real bitching. :laugh: f*** Sid's PPG streak or his points chase, to be brutally honest.

FWIW, Bedard had 100pts in 62GP at the same age.
 
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The flyers have the easiest schedule in the entire league and have only managed 2 wins the whole month. Looking likely that the Pens will be picking 7th or 8th which is okay. Dropping below the ducks with only 11 games remaining seems unlikely. Even at #8 you have a 13.2% chance of winning a lottery so not bad at all
 
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Malkinstheman said:
The flyers have the easiest schedule in the entire league and have only managed 2 wins the whole month. Looking likely that the Pens will be picking 7th or 8th which is okay. Dropping below the ducks with only 11 games remaining seems unlikely. Even at #8 you have a 13.2% chance of winning a lottery so not bad at all
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I'm pretty sure picking 6-8 is like a 7.5% to 6% chance at winning the lottery.
 
I think people are making a big deal out of nothing with the Penguins hot streak after the deadline. There really isn't much of a difference between sitting in the 6th spot versus the 9th spot in this draft based on the quality of prospects, and they were never even in a position to be higher than the 4th pick in this draft even before the hot streak.

They have made some separation since the deadline, they were basically tied in point% (.446) with Seattle (.444) and Buffalo (.443) for the #4-#6 pick at the deadline. But since the deadline, they've only gone from 27th to 26th. Their winning% has just jumped from .446 to .473, but they're not really climbing in the standings due to it. Their pick has gone from the #6 pick and lottery odds before the deadline to the #7 pick and lottery odds right now.
 
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The Pens need to land in #6 to have a legitimate chance at the lottery and come away with the best player available if they don't.

There are chances that someone goes off the board a bit, but if they don't ... I'm "best spot" they can earn.
 
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It seems like on paper, the only legit can't miss players right now are Schaefer and Misa.

I don't think this team was ever going to get the 1st or 2nd overall pick, which is probably where both of them where end up getting drafted. If you're going to tank, wait until next season for a generational talent.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I think people are making a big deal out of nothing with the Penguins hot streak after the deadline. There really isn't much of a difference between sitting in the 6th spot versus the 9th spot in this draft based on the quality of prospects, and they were never even in a position to be higher than the 4th pick in this draft even before the hot streak.

They have made some separation since the deadline, they were basically tied in point% (.446) with Seattle (.444) and Buffalo (.443) for the #4-#6 pick at the deadline. But since the deadline, they've only gone from 27th to 26th. Their winning% has just jumped from .446 to .473, but they're not really climbing in the standings due to it. Their pick has gone from the #6 pick and lottery odds before the deadline to the #7 pick and lottery odds right now.
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That could conceivably be a pretty big swing in the calibre of prospect we land though. I understand the frustration, especially with nothing to gain but a lot to lose with these victories. A #4 overall would've given us a good chance at an immediate impact player. #9 not so much.

Glad the team didn't roll over and die because that wouldn't bode well for a quick turnaround, but...Jarry coming in and playing out of his mind wasn't on my bingo card and hurts the bottom line.
 
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I think if we go 3-8 or worse the Flyers pass us. No way do they leave points on the table with Sabres twice, Predators, Islanders, Blue Jackets. It’s easy the rest of the way. Kraken’s schedule is very difficult though. I think we finish 7th most likely, 6th at best.
 
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Dipsy Doodle said:
That could conceivably be a pretty big swing in the calibre of prospect we land though. I understand the frustration, especially with nothing to gain but a lot to lose with these victories. A #4 overall would've given us a good chance at an immediate impact player. #9 not so much.

Glad the team didn't roll over and die because that wouldn't bode well for a quick turnaround, but...Jarry coming in and playing out of his mind wasn't on my bingo card and hurts the bottom line.
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They weren't in the #4 position before they even went on the hot streak, they were in the #6 position. Their post-deadline hot streak has taken them from the #6 spot to the #7 spot.

At most, you can argue that they've gone from "a good chance at #5" to "most likely sitting in the #6 through #8 range". They really haven't moved much in the standings.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
They weren't in the #4 position before they even went on the hot streak, they were in the #6 position. Their post-deadline hot streak has taken them from the #6 spot to the #7 spot.

At most, you can argue that they've gone from "a good chance at #5" to "most likely sitting in the #6 through #8 range". They really haven't moved much in the standings.
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No, but it was within striking distance, especially considering how the Pens had been spiralling. They had lost 7 of 8 going into the deadline.
 
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No, but it was within striking distance, especially considering how the Pens had been spiralling. They had lost 7 of 8 going into the deadline.
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If the Penguins maintained their .446 point% that they had prior to the deadline after the deadline, they would have gone from #6 to #5 in the draft rankings. Seattle would have jumped them in the standings but Buffalo would still be behind them.

Again, you're talking about a change in draft position by like 2 slots here. They're not playing themselves out of Schaefer with their hot streak, they're going from Frondell (#5) to Eklund (#7).
 
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Dipsy Doodle said:
That could conceivably be a pretty big swing in the calibre of prospect we land though. I understand the frustration, especially with nothing to gain but a lot to lose with these victories. A #4 overall would've given us a good chance at an immediate impact player. #9 not so much.

Glad the team didn't roll over and die because that wouldn't bode well for a quick turnaround, but...Jarry coming in and playing out of his mind wasn't on my bingo card and hurts the bottom line.
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We should've known, but yeah Jarry under absolutely no pressure is legit. He's THE Sully player in a nutshell.
 
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