i hear that a lot, but arent the good teams who would want a goalscorer at the deadline to put themselves over the top more likely to have other good players like sid to put him next to?
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Most good teams already have a player there. I can’t see too many buyers at the deadline with big holes like that.
Probably get the most value from a bubble team. We just saw Rantanen and Jake traded without bringing back 1st. Not sure those extra years on the contract for a soon to be 32 Rakell would be enough.
Teams just don’t spend like they used to at the deadlines. They figured out the premiums aren’t worth it.
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I mean, the smart move is to cut bait on Rakell anyhow and weaponize the cap space, regardless of what you feel his worth is. Maybe if you feel this year's draft is underwhelming, ask for a 2026 first? I dunno. But Rackell and Petersson aren't just valuable for a return they'll bring, but for the cap space they'll free up, leaving us to get more assets by taking on bad contracts.
He’s signed so I don’t think we need to make a panic move. I would hope to get at least 2nd for him, anything less isn’t worth it.
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I mean, a panic move would be buying him out or paying someone to take him. But honestly, now, the cap space is worth far more than the player itself (and he's an okay player!). So, let him go for whatever the best price is, I don't see why there's a need to over think it.
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No, I meant that would be a panic move, not that we should consider buying out Rackell. We obviously don't need to do that.But I think so much of the time complaining about subpar returns is just an excuse not to actually trade a player. We're in a situation where the benefits for trading a player even for a subpar return are glaringly obvious, so if we somehow don't move anyone I'm going to be very annoyed.
sure, but acting like something that is not within the realm of possibility is possible really distorts conversation imo
But I think so much of the time complaining about subpar returns is just an excuse not to actually trade a player. We're in a situation where the benefits for trading a player even for a subpar return are glaringly obvious, so if we somehow don't move anyone I'm going to be very annoyed.
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Well, I'd hate to let the vagaries of potential intrude upon a thread where we pick our fantasy drafts.
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I think Hagens oozes Sullivan-love for some reason. I think Frondell would be next in line for some reason.
While I would LOVE having Misa, I'm not 100% sure Sullivan would be super fond of Misa and Martone. They be too highly skilled for his liking.
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Tbh none of the top guys seem like any coach would have issues with them.
Hagens is a pretty hard worker IMO.
Schaefer is every coaches wet dream
Misa is one of the OHL’s top 200 ft players according to Brock Otten
I think Martone is the type that is probably the worst 2way player right now but he’s got the most potential to be a beast on the boards
Hagens is a pretty hard worker IMO.
Schaefer is every coaches wet dream
Misa is one of the OHL’s top 200 ft players according to Brock Otten
I think Martone is the type that is probably the worst 2way player right now but he’s got the most potential to be a beast on the boards
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just looking at Ryabkin dropping faster than a rock and deservedly so. if things don't change, i still wouldn't mind taking a chance on him with a low first or a high 2nd. it would be a homerun swing but then i like home run swings.
I like our chances at a high pick. Of the bottom ~11 teams, we're alone with San Jose and Chicago in being the only teams with no real motivation to improve down the stretch. The other 8 teams I feel have the potential to make a splash and at least shake up their team, which usually has some sort of positive impact on the standings.
22. NYI - Not looking to bottom out
23. PHI - Looking to take a step
24. UTA - Looking to make a splash in 1st year
25. STL - Pressure to improve w/ new coach
26. ANA - Looking to take a step
27. PIT - Known rebuild
28. SEA - Not looking to bottom out, pressure on GM
29. NSH - Not looking to bottom out, pressure from offseason "win now" moves
30. BUF - Eternally cursed, likely makes a big trade and may improve
31. CHI - Known rebuild
32. SJS - Know rebuild
22. NYI - Not looking to bottom out
23. PHI - Looking to take a step
24. UTA - Looking to make a splash in 1st year
25. STL - Pressure to improve w/ new coach
26. ANA - Looking to take a step
27. PIT - Known rebuild
28. SEA - Not looking to bottom out, pressure on GM
29. NSH - Not looking to bottom out, pressure from offseason "win now" moves
30. BUF - Eternally cursed, likely makes a big trade and may improve
31. CHI - Known rebuild
32. SJS - Know rebuild
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I know they have input, but IMO the current head coach should only have input on trades regarding other pros coming and going. They should have zero word on which 18 year old player the team drafts.
For one, they dont put the time in that the scouting staff does. So making decisions off very little info makes zero sense. Also, in most cases, by the time said player becomes a NHL regular that coach is rarely still there.
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I still think Colorado should be coming after Rakell hard. They need that extra top 6 forward this year and in the future and Rakell will come at a very reasonable price - both in terms of cap hit, term, and price to acquire. We know he can play with the big boys. Adding a good forechecker that can finish seems like the ideal acquisition for the Avs right now. More over, if want a Rakell they will likely have to overpay for one in FA coming up. They have Makar's dealing coming soon along with Necas. Drouin is a UFA too. Getting a good market value top 6 wing should be a priority for them. If they don't want that much term, Bunting might be a good 2nd line option.
Outside of that, I can see a team wanting Rakell but Dubas asking for a younger roster player in return. To use Vancouver as an example, something like Hoglander + 2nd + 4th. With the idea that the young forward can grow and perform at a higher level eventually.
Actually a pretty decent assessment here. I do think there comes a point with a few of these teams - Nashville, Buffalo, and Seattle specifically - where even though they want to take that step forward, you also have to be realistic and know when it's "just not your season" and you focus on the high pick.
Top 6 of: Schaefer, Hagens, Misa, Martone, Frondell, and McQueen is a very nice Top 6. I think it's wise for a team to turn attention to that over trying to crawl into a higher slot that isn't the playoffs.
I don't think we catch San Jose or Chicago. Thus I think it's #3-6ov for us. Not to harp again but Misa is going to be a beast. If we get close, I wouldn't hate using assets to move up if we think he's going to taken ahead of Martone or Frondell.
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Feel like contenders in the league have a player as good as Sid if not maybe better these days…
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Just watched another shift by shift and souring slightly on Misa. He is having an incredible year but it’s his 3rd OHL season, he plays in a friendly system to scoring in Saginaw, and he really doesn’t have a truly elite physical/tangible trait. I am not seeing how people have Hagens below him besides size.
I like Martone slightly more which I didn’t think I did earlier this season.
This kid is growing on me. I think there’s also the “is he physically talented enough to go high” question at 5OA but I think he could be a nice option around 10OA.
I like Martone slightly more which I didn’t think I did earlier this season.
This kid is growing on me. I think there’s also the “is he physically talented enough to go high” question at 5OA but I think he could be a nice option around 10OA.
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3rd season but he's still 17. If he was 19, that'd be something to consider.
I'm not sure what's not to like - he has very high end skating ability, great vision and playmaking, has an incredible shot, works well in all three zones. All scouting reports tout his hockey IQ. He's at a 2PPG pace. Doesn't get much better for a top 5 pick IMHO.
There's always things to work on though. Physicality is not a specialty of his but it's not for several guys. Matt Tkachuk and Mitch Marner play very different games but both are top notch players.
I think the biggest question for me regarding him, is when he gets to the NHL, do you keep him as a center or do you move him to wing? Prospect boards seem adamant about center. While I'm not opposed, I think he could truly realize his offensive production as a wing. So it just depends on how a coach wants to use him and how he wants his career to go.
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What did you think of Misa's skating? Everyone seems to be talking about how outstanding of a skater he is
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It’s definitely good but throw on Schaefer in the same league. Or Cullen Potter in the NCAA. And I think it’s just not truly elite. As a result is he gonna beat guys 1v1 at the NHL level?
in my not well informed opinion I see Misa as someone who is going to win with IQ. If he’s Aho or I’ve misjudged his talent and he’s more Marner? You’re thrilled to get him in the top 3.
But if he’s Suzuki?
I just am a upside/talent/athleticism wh***re at the top of drafts and I don’t think there are a ton of superstars in the league that aren’t like crazy talented in one area.
