2025 DRAFT Discussion

[wingsfannnn9191]

Outside of Misa and Schaeffer, there isn't a single player in this draft that's a can't miss prospect that we couldn't get that player archetype in another draft in the 8-15 range. This is not a high quality year. The players available at 8-10 are about as good as the players available 11-14. The cost to move up 3 to 5 spots isn't worth it.

Nobody is interested in giving up a 1st for Rasmussen. You can stop thinking about that.

The Haula trade gives me hope there's some sucker out there willing to take Compher. The problem is I don't think our GM wants to make that move.

I don’t know , if I see mcqueen or hagens I’m taking a chance and moving up. Course it depends what the medical team of the wings say but if it’s worth the risk for mcqueen I wouldn’t think twice. Could be a big pay off

People always say this draft isn’t as good as other drafts every few yrs but there’s always guys that come out it’s our job to find them

I agree no one will deal a 1st for Rasmussen but I’ll be delusional and hope for a late first early second after seeing what Ryan McLeod go. Well if Yzerman was smart he’d move compher now before it gets harder to do so. We need to open up some spots

 

[stillwater]

Depressing news of the day. Top 40 prospects surveyed on who they hope picks them. We are only one of 3 teams that didn’t get a single vote.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DetroitRedWings/s/CskNGCAKf5

We have GOT to change the perception around this franchise.

Again, are you just being ironic?

You're the most negative person around here, and you're hoping "we" can change the perception.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

Jack? He doesn't cheat defense, that cost's points. Like Danielson. But i suspect next season will be different, Greentree & Protas out of the way and lot's of work with skating coach in the summer. Look out!

His performance for team canada this yr was pretty putrid. He was basically the only player who was said to have cost himself spots. I like him better than Hensler for example, but at 13 there should be other players available who are not that much of a project offensively and based on hope.

 

[newfy]

Nesbitt was 2nd line centre all year.
Top line was Greentree - Protas - Morneau.

He looked great outside of the Windsor environment aswell. Probably the best player in the CHL top prospects showcase. Was very good at the U18’s. I agree with Santos. When you view him, the puck just follows him. His anticipation, size, reach and puck control/stick handling really are special.

Tough kid too. Wouldn’t hate the pick.

The thing I like about Nesbitt is he grew late and hes still only 180 pounds at 6'5ish. Hes just getting used to being a bully out there, give him a couple years and another 20 pounds and he could be a force. He wouldnt be my first pick but it wouldnt be the worst pick. He grew 4 inches at 15, this is a higher upside pick than people think. He has a tonne of room on his frame to add muscle and fill out, he has the metnality to want to kill people out there with a real mean streak too. With the gains in skating, he has a chance to be a legit power forward

I think the people that are ripping on his skating are exaggerating a bit too. Definitely not my first choice, but he isnt some safe Rasmussen type player like some people are saying

Kinda coming around on Carbonneau. Do it.

I would be completely fine with that. Physical shooters that get in on the forecheck are worth their weight in gold in the plaoyffs

 

[newfy]

I wanted to add on my last post, Mckenzies final draft ranking have Smith at 12, Aitcheson 13, Bear 14.

Hensler is 15 then you have Carbonneau and Nesbitt. I'll take any of Smith Aitcheson or Bear and be really happy. Carbonneau I would be pretty happy with and Nesbitt is ok.

 

[SantosHalper]

I second this. Nesbitt to me is a vanilla big guy. They love his size in junior, and they love his position in junior. He's not going to be able to bully 5'10" kids around in the NHL

But you don't have problems with Aitcheson & Carbonneau doing the same? Aitcheson has 15 pounds on him and Carbonneau 10. Those guys are physically mature, growth room basically nonexistent. Where Nesbitt just grew in his height and weight is coming, he is not done growing.

The thing I like about Nesbitt is he grew late and hes still only 180 pounds at 6'5ish. Hes just getting used to being a bully out there, give him a couple years and another 20 pounds and he could be a force. He grew 4 inches at 15, this is a higher upside pick than people think. He has a tonne of room on his frame to add muscle and fill out, he has the metnality to want to kill people out there with a real mean streak too. With the gains in skating, he has a chance to be a legit power forward

This.

His performance for team canada this yr was pretty putrid. He was basically the only player who was said to have cost himself spots.

He played 4th line shutdown role and Canada won the gold medal. He did his job and did it right.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Reschny would be such a genuinely disappointing pick at 13. I will never understand this boards infatuation with him. Someone explain to me the appeal of undersized forwards who aren't plus skaters. At some point people should start to recognize Brayden Point as the unicorn that he is. After watching the Stanley Cup final I don't see much room in the game for the Reschnys of the world. Things may have been different when the league still had immobile defensemen. I just don't see it in the modern game though.

Nate Danielson
Michael Rasmussen
Anthony Mantha
Riley Sheahan

Keep doing the same thing and expect different results.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Same. But if he is the pick. I would not be upset or strongly disagree.

I think 17th is about right for him.

I wouldn't consider it the end of the world either and I like a general focus on premium positions. It is hard to say exactly how I would feel without knowing the other available options on the board at that moment.

 

[Frk It]

Nate Danielson
Michael Rasmussen
Anthony Mantha
Riley Sheahan

Keep doing the same thing and expect different results.

How are those “the same thing”?

 

[Run the Jewels]

How are those “the same thing”?

Big. I forgot to add Svechnkov. 6'3"!!

 

[Frk It]

But you don't have problems with Aitcheson & Carbonneau doing the same? Aitcheson has 15 pounds on him and Carbonneau 10. Those guys are physically mature, growth room basically nonexistent. Where Nesbitt just grew in his height and weight is coming, he is not done growing.

This.

He played 4th line shutdown role and Canada won the gold medal. He did his job and did it right.

Go watch some highlights of Carbonneau or Aitcheson and tell me if they are vanilla. They are anything but that.

I guess my question for you is what is that weight gain going to open up for him? Better shot? Better skating? Better hitting?

The only thing I saw from Nesbitt that I find interesting is his net-front ability and ability to re-direct shots.

 

[Frk It]

Big. I forgot to add Svechnkov. 6'3"!!

At some point you have to stop blaming your current GF for what your ex did.

 

[Run the Jewels]

At some point you have to stop blaming your current GF for what your ex did.

6 years with Yzerman as GM and our NA scouts have drafted guys who have played a grand total of 6 NHL games.

 

[Frk It]

6 years with Yzerman as GM and our NA scouts have drafted guys who have played a grand total of 6 NHL games.

We can re-visit that in a year. If we draft Nesbitt, I might even get on your side

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Nate Danielson
Michael Rasmussen
Anthony Mantha
Riley Sheahan

Keep doing the same thing and expect different results.

Keep telling yourself that size doesn't matter.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Keep telling yourself that size doesn't matter.

Alex DeBrincat
Lucas Raymond

Viewing size as the only relevant data point is dumb.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Alex DeBrincat
Lucas Raymond

Viewing size as the only relevant data point is dumb.

Call me when Reschny develops the skill and IQ (and perhaps mobility) of Cat or Raymond. Like I said, he would be an extremely disappointing selection at 13, but would probably make the couch scout crowd super happy. Watching the cup this year has me convinced that there is less and less room for these little fellas when the hockey becomes meaningful and pucks become harder to retrieve. Mark my words, he will be remembered (if at all) as a good junior player, not for being a good professional.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Call me when Reschny develops the skill and IQ (and perhaps mobility) of Cat or Raymond. Like I said, he would be an extremely disappointing selection at 13, but would probably make the couch scout crowd super happy. Watching the cup this year has me convinced that there is less and less room for these little fellas when the hockey becomes meaningful and pucks become harder to retrieve. Mark my words, he will be remembered (if at all) as a good junior player, not for being a good professional.

Our North American scouts suck, but thanks for offering us the use of your crystal ball.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Think size does matter if we want to be successful in the playoffs and I dont expect debrincat to be here longterm and resigned

Dont forget we already have buchelnikov lombardi plante in the pipeline and up soon cant imagine 3-4 wingers 6 feet and under on the top 3 lines

I can see us going with the bigger body at the draft if they view the players talent level there the same. All depends how they view nesbitt and if they think he has upside and can help us win but It wouldn't shock me to see him picked by us

 

[deca guard]

you can pencil this into your program next to cleveland on depth chart :
2nd rd pick = stans evil clone fiddler

 

[deca guard]

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Our North American scouts suck, but thanks for offering us the use of your crystal ball.

So if you like Reschny, and our NA scouts (who "suck") like Reschny.......

 

[SantosHalper]

Go watch some highlights of Carbonneau or Aitcheson and tell me if they are vanilla. They are anything but that.

I guess my question for you is what is that weight gain going to open up for him? Better shot? Better skating? Better hitting?

The only thing I saw from Nesbitt that I find interesting is his net-front ability and ability to re-direct shots.

I didn't say that they are vanilla, Ogee said: "They love his size in junior, and they love his position in junior. He's not going to be able to bully 5'10" kids around in the NHL".

What i meant that Aitcheson and Carbonneu are equal bullies in junior leagues, but somehow in their case it doesn't matter that they are also running through 5'10'' kids. Nesbitt is vanilla but they are not.... despite the fact that Aitcheson and Carbonneau are physically nearly fully develop packages and in NHL there is players in their size and shape. How are Aitcheson & Carbonneau continue bullying when they are playing against men their own size and bigger when they are almost done in physical development?

Especially Carbonneau, weak junior league and physically mature kid is iffy combo. And people been questioning Carbonneau's IQ, it's quite worrisome when that get exposed in weak junior league. Makes me think what happens higher levels when there is not always a 5'10'' kid to run through.

Nesbitt is still growing in his body, more mass and more strength. Nesbitt is still in junior league shape and he's this strong already, add 25-30 pounds and he'll be one of the strongest guys in NHL. Skating will improve, what i've seen the first steps are slow, more muscle in his legs and he gets faster. When he bulks up more, just try moving him off the crease. Or try take puck away while he protects it, shoulders wide as barn doors. And yeah he's gonna hurt people with his hits, opposition team is not having fun when there is 205-210 lbs coming at you.

 

[schuelma24]

I honestly don't get the Frondell hype. Like, he's definitely a top 10 pick .. but 2nd or 3rd overall? I'm not even sure he sticks at center.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

You are 100% drafting him for his physicality.

He is a guy where the opposition has to be worried about where he is at all times. Do we have anyone like that?

He is a guy who will answer the bell for his teammates even if it for a hit he just delivered. Do we have anyone like that?

Do I think he has some flaws? Sure.

But he brings a lot of things to the table Yzerman has talked about this team needing - physicality, compete, passion

I love this part of his game and from a pure playing style standpoint there is a lot to like about and root for. I can see him as a fan favorite.

The one thing looking at all of these Dman save the one going first overall is they have almost zero path to PP time with Detroit. Now he is good at jumping into the play but would that really be our system with Seider and ASP on the right side?

I think we need some of what he provides but I am not sure as much offense is projecting up. When you take PP opportunities away from dman production drops off a lot.