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I agree, I said he is great physically for his size.

But Matt Dumba gives you all those things at the NHL level right now. And nobody wants him for 3.5M.

So in my opinion the bet is still that Aitcheson’s ability to force offense and his shot translating is the bet you are making for the pick to pan out.
And the version of Matt Dumba prior to injuries the whole league wanted.
 
I would not be interested in Aitcheson.

His playmaking, vision and first pass is satisfactory. But it’s not a glaring strength. Not a reason you are going to draft him high.

His defensive play can be a little erratic and over aggressive at times. It could use some refining and might wind up decent in time. But Probably not drafting him high for his defensive play.

His physical play is great. He can line up the highlight hits. Is very scrappy and even willing to fight. But he measured just 6’1” and 190lbs. He is not an imposing physical barrier in the corners and in front of the net and probably never will be. More of a Matt Dumba type physical presence. Again probably not taking him high based on his physicality/size.


So it comes down to that shot and his ability to aggressively funnel the puck to the net. No doubt he can do that. But will he be a featured power play cannon on the point at the NHL level? He could, but that is basically the bet you are taking.

Also he is the oldest player in the draft. Missed the 2024 draft cutoff by one day. He is almost a full year older than guys like Mrtak and Fiddler. In a thought exercise… I think he probably would have went mid to late 2nd round in last years draft if he was one day older.
Also he was 6’1.5 and 199 lbs at the combine.

Probably will see him listed as 6’1 or 6’2 and 210-215 lbs in a few years.
 
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And the version of Matt Dumba prior to injuries the whole league wanted.
Also he was 6’1.5 and 199 lbs at the combine.

Probably will see him listed as 6’1 or 6’2 and 210-215 lbs in a few years.
He could certainly turn out to be the good version of Dumba. A pretty fair overall comparison when you think about it more.

When you break down the individual aspects of his game it just doesn’t scream ‘use a high pick on him’ in my opinion. If the shot doesn’t work out, it could be curtains. I’m also admittedly a little more apprehensive about late birthdates and look at them more critically.
 
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He could certainly turn out to be the good version of Dumba. A pretty fair overall comparison when you think about it more.

When you break down the individual aspects of his game it just don’t scream ‘use a high pick on him’ in my opinion. If the shot doesn’t work out, it could be curtains. I’m also admittedly a little more apprehensive about late birthdates and look at them more critically.
He’s not normally the kind of guy I like this high in the draft, so I do understand where you’re coming from.

I just like this player and in our case I really love the fit as a LD that could potentially round out our top 4 and bring some passion and fire to a sometimes stale ass team to watch.

I do wish the puck moving ability was better and he definitely is erratic at times. But he has shown a ton of offensive growth over the last 2 seasons and I think Barrie is pretty good at developing defenseman.

So for me this is a unique case where I would be pretty excited to get him at #13. Seems like a guy that could be a fan favorite and provide us a spark when the games ramp up in intensity.
 
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I'd say 13 is a pretty decent spot in the draft where the talent starts to drop off after the first 13-15 picks. Good place for a faller and could make our pick attractive to a team with it's eyes on someone.

It does seem like Eklund might be that faller and, while I do like the player and would be happy with the pick, I'm also OK banking on a Plante/Buchelnikov/Kiiskinen/Lombardi instead if there's a trade available.
 
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You are 100% drafting him for his physicality.

He is a guy where the opposition has to be worried about where he is at all times. Do we have anyone like that?

He is a guy who will answer the bell for his teammates even if it for a hit he just delivered. Do we have anyone like that?

Do I think he has some flaws? Sure.

But he brings a lot of things to the table Yzerman has talked about this team needing - physicality, compete, passion
Also he has great personalities
 
Yeah, I'm out on him.

If you have to work on compete....I'm good.
I agree. He is fools gold.
I would not be interested in Aitcheson.

His playmaking, vision and first pass is satisfactory. But it’s not a glaring strength. Not a reason you are going to draft him high.

His defensive play can be a little erratic and over aggressive at times. It could use some refining and might wind up decent in time. But Probably not drafting him high for his defensive play.

His physical play is great. He can line up the highlight hits. Is very scrappy and even willing to fight. But he measured just 6’1” and 190lbs. He is not an imposing physical barrier in the corners and in front of the net and probably never will be. More of a Matt Dumba type physical presence. Again probably not taking him high based on his physicality/size.


So it comes down to that shot and his ability to aggressively funnel the puck to the net. No doubt he can do that. But will he be a featured power play cannon on the point at the NHL level? He could, but that is basically the bet you are taking.

Also he is the oldest player in the draft. Missed the 2024 draft cutoff by one day. He is almost a full year older than guys like Mrtak and Fiddler. In a thought exercise… I think he probably would have went mid to late 2nd round in last years draft if he was one day older.
We are drafting 13OA. It isn't exactly a high pick nor a strong class. He needs to be measured against other available players (i..e. the real opportunity cost), not the kids drafted in 2024.

I am comfortable with him at 13 OA, but acknowledge he comes with some risk (especially if he does not make strides on the defensive side of the puck).
 
Just wondering, how does that compare to Nate Danielson? I am not keen on the differences between CHL, OHL and WHL.

The CHL is the Canadian Hockey League, comprising all of the 3 Major Junior leagues, the Ontario Hockey league (OHL), the Western Hockey league (WHL) and the Quebec Maritimes junior hockey league (QMJHL).

The CHL is not a specific league on it's own, it's all 3 leagues. So if someone refers to the CHL, it's any of the 3 leagues.

The most noted comparisons people use with the CHL are with the NCAA hockey leagues, which have some older players ... up to 24 or so, where in the CHL, the maximum age is 20. Not sure how many overagers the CHL leagues allow for now, but it's very few per team and only 1 year older than the maximum age.

For the last 60 years or so, thousands of young hockey 'superstars' and their parents have had to decide one route or the other (CHL or NCAA) ... but now the rules have changed and CHL players can move to the NCAA or vise versa ... which I'm quite certain every single CHL franchise is dreading.

I mean, you're talking the 'next one' Gavin McKenna leaving Medicine Hat to play in the NCAA in his draft year. Imagine what a loss in so many ways it is for that franchise.
 
Results of my drafting in Dahlicious's mock:

13: Kashawn Aitcheson
44: Eric Nilson
75: Mace'o Phillips
76: Linus Funck
119: David Granberg
140: Luke Vlooswyk
172: Caeden Herrington
204: Kaden Skahan
211: Teddy Spitznagel

Critiques welcome.
 
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Results of my drafting in Dahlicious's mock:

13: Kashawn Aitcheson
44: Eric Nilson
75: Mace'o Phillips
76: Linus Funck
119: David Granberg
140: Luke Vlooswyk
172: Caeden Herrington
204: Kaden Skahan
211: Teddy Spitznagel

Critiques welcome.
i’d give it a solid B. hard to say cause can’t see who was available at the time you didn’t take
 
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i’d give it a solid B. hard to say cause can’t see who was available at the time you didn’t take
 
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McQueen at 13 is interesting. Haven't paid any attention to him at all since he's never been viewed as being available this late in the draft.
was thinking the same thing . after watching one video months ago and seeing his quick athletic movements / smarts / ruggedness / hands / shot and reach creating an elite offensive weapon he immeadiately became my fave after schafer n misa n martone . then the injury issue came up and i quit paying attentiion . every gm is going to be racking their nerves over drafting this guy or not
 
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Why do I keep seeing Detroit taking McQueen?

Read some mocks as well.

Seems fishy
I think the idea is Detroit clearly needs a scoring line center and if everything goes right with McQueen he would fill the spot. I haven't paid enough attention to him to have a strong opinion one way or the other, but if he's truly falling like Zadina fell, that would explain why mocks drafts would have him going to Detroit. At some point the risk vs reward ends up being in McQueen's favor, I just have no idea when that threshold flips.
 
If McQueen’s back is never an issue again. I think he would be a great pick at 13.

But Deciding to pick him goes beyond your opinion of him as a hockey player and into the medical realm.
 
I would trade up to get a McQueen if were not dealing the pick for immediate help. It's about time we take a risk where the payoff can be big. Future 1c 6'5? Worth the shot

I heard some mock drafts where a martone was taken at 8 but dont see that happening but if hes there as well and seattle is looking for d prospects since they dont draft any and are willing to drop to 13 and we can send albert + something else I'd do it

Time to stop being wimps
 
I see Bear , I see Mrtka , but I don't see McQueen falling to #13 and even if he falls I just don't see Yzerman taking him.
Yzerman has talked about wanting to get bigger, meaner, harder to play against and that fighting is coming back. You think he wouldnt take the 6'5, mean, talented centerman all the way down at 13?

I dont think he'll be there but Yzerman would absolutely take that type of player
 

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