Basically asp and Anton is all we have left. Maybe wallinder/buium but I suspect trade bait and if they do make it it’ll be bottom pair guys
I said it before unless there’s a forward we can’t pass up I suspect we’ll be picking aitcheson/smith at 13
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I said it before unless there’s a forward we can’t pass up I suspect we’ll be picking aitcheson/smith at 13
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Exactly the only way it makes sense to take a forward is if for some reason Martin or Eklund fall into our lap which is unlikely. Take the top LD available then try to find a big forward in the second round.
Yes and No, I'd say.
Obviously you want every position stacked at all times, and I'll concede its a bit disappointing that no clear top 4 guy has emerged from the 2nd round and later picks ... but on the other hand, you already have your top pair in Detroit set for a loooong time and ASP looks like a pretty good bet for second pair.
That's a really good foundation.
We don’t have our top pair . We can’t afford to put edvinsson and seider together. We’re better off at this point getting seider a partner cause we know edvinsson and johansson for now work
Romanov or Miller would be ones I’m looking at
When I draft Aitcheson at 13 I always seem to look for Mason West in the second. If I take Martin or Bear first I take Jason Rombach next. Not sure which pair I like best if I exclude Martin as a choice
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100% right, but that giant hole will still exist for the next 2-4yrs until that pick can fill out a top4 role. We cannot wait that long. We need to solve this problem via FA or trade., not draft.
Yeah, our 2025 pick is not solving any roster problems for us for a while. I honestly think it is immaterial in terms of roster construction. That said, I would not be discouraged from taking a defensemen even though he probably won't be an effective NHL player for another 4 years.
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Jackson Smith is a little boom or bust for my liking. And I think there’s just as much chance he busts as succeeds. I said earlier here that Smith might turn into Chabot, or he might be a Cholowski. He’s more of a project than some people here believe.
Aitcheson may not have skating as dynamic as Smith but it’s not bad. Also Detroit doesn’t need him to be an offense generator, but an offense supporter.
The other stuff like physicality, defensive play, intangibles, are why I’d prefer Aitcheson. He probably isn’t a big time scorer, maybe a 25-35 point guy, but all the other stuff makes him way more valuable.
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Late round guys I find interesting:
Raiden LeGall - Undersized goalie, but had the best SV% in the WHL this year. Could he be another Dustin Wolf? I would take a chance on him in the later rounds and see.
Max Westergard - One of the youngest players in this draft. Was one of Finland's best players at the U18s and was also good at the J20 level in Sweden.
Kale Dach - Younger brother of Kirby who is going to the WHL next year and then Penn State.
Ethan Wyttenbach - Quietly had a very productive season in the USHL and have seen some clips of him where he looks impressive.
Raiden LeGall - Undersized goalie, but had the best SV% in the WHL this year. Could he be another Dustin Wolf? I would take a chance on him in the later rounds and see.
Max Westergard - One of the youngest players in this draft. Was one of Finland's best players at the U18s and was also good at the J20 level in Sweden.
Kale Dach - Younger brother of Kirby who is going to the WHL next year and then Penn State.
Ethan Wyttenbach - Quietly had a very productive season in the USHL and have seen some clips of him where he looks impressive.
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But when we are not going by position scarcety, then we should just go by BPA and maybe move that player in the future, if necessary. I still have a hard time believing that a dma will be the BPA, whe we are on the clock. You are prob a lot higher on Aitcheson than me.
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Yeah, I am not expecting Detroit to like Lakovic or Smith as much as I probably do.
Both guys have good upside but also have some pretty pronounced flaws.
For me Smith is like the Brad Lambert of defenseman. Very obvious he has some high level ability as far as puck skills and skating. Also very obvious he has IQ issues. Have a hard time seeing Detroit drafting a defenseman high that has IQ has a knock.
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There’s a few guys I think that could be impactful lower in the lineup in 2-3 years. Aitcheson, Fiddler are two I immediately think of. Maybe Hensler. (Though I’m not sold on him being more than a Nick Jensen) Martin at forward might be a good bottom 6 guy in 2.
I’m still in favor of trading the puck for an immediate 26 or under LD, but if that’s not on the table then I lean towards Aitcheson. We’ll still suck next year but in 3-4 we’ll be looking alright if our top prospects develop as we hope.
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If we draft Nesbitt or Hensler, I will probably be consuming a lot of Tequila on June 27th.
BPA is largely a myth, especially the further you get from the very top of the draft. I see talent tiers more than anything. Within a particular tier you can certainly afford to consider organizational balance.
If we walked away with Aitchenson I would be totally happy. He isn't the only one I feel that way about though. Anyways, I agree with your general proposition that this draft does not fill immediate roster holes (really like all drafts). Two things can be true though and there is really no good reason not to consider taking a defensemen at 13OA.
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You are right it won't but it is a long term problem as well. Even if we sign someone they age and the contract expires. As for trade finding a young defensemen could be difficult.
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I like Aitcheson a lot more as well. But I do like Smith he has the size, skating and defense awareness to be a decent defender. Yes he is a project.
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first rounder Brendan Smith just texted me and...shit he misspelled every other word, I'm not really sure what this says, but it's something about Frk It forgetting about him, and that he needs some more sweet & sour sauce for his McNuggets
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Not sure we have drafted a player like Smith under Yzerman, but unfortunately can never forgot the legend...
As dumb as he was, he somehow managed to play over 700 NHL gamesNot sure we have drafted a player like Smith under Yzerman, but unfortunately can never forgot the legend...
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Exactly. BPA is always the best practice!
Best example to back that up. We need Defense right now. Jake Sanderson is a great defenseman. Would anybody actually go back and switch that Raymond pick to Sanderson?
I sure wouldn’t, Raymond is the better player. Regardless of current/future needs… you are never going to regret ending up with the better player.
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Those 2 with trading down not bad outcome, if we get another early second
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Stop this trading down talk. This draft sucks after about 16. I don’t want to trade 13 where we have a good chance of picking a good player, for the 24th and 32nd overall picks, where chances are low.
Well if our 2nd round and later drafting had given us a high end player or two given all the picks we’ve had, maybe we could be more flexible? Are we still banking on Brady Cleveland?
If anything, I’d want to trade up.
