Prospect Info: 2025 draft discussion

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

I know who Hakan is. I don't know what a "Hakan Pick" is or what "Hakan's Pick" is.

A pick that Hakan Andersson is the head scout pushing for the player.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

A pick that Hakan Andersson is the head scout pushing for the player.

How do we know which players those are? What if multiple scouts push for the same player?

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

How do we know which players those are? What if multiple scouts push for the same player?

People generally say because Hakan is the head of European scouting that it'll go through him and Hakan's stamp is on him.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

How do we know which players those are? What if multiple scouts push for the same player?

Usually that kind of thing comes out during post-draft interviews.

 

[Run the Jewels]

I know who Hakan is. I don't know what a "Hakan Pick" is or what "Hakan's Pick" is.

I will never think I am going to outsmart Hakan Andersson. I picked Gastrin because he fits what we look for and as of this time should be available if we pick around the 20th overall pick. But when it comes to Euros I will always defer to Andersson. I cannot recall the last time I would have complained about a pick out of Europe. Go back to the Mo Seider draft thread. While lots of people complained I just shrugged my shoulders and said 'if Hakan approves then I'm down with the pick'.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

People generally say because Hakan is the head of European scouting that it'll go through him and Hakan's stamp is on him.

Are you saying that the Wings don't create a draft list or that Hakan unilaterally determines where Euros fall on that draft list? I am very confused.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Are you saying that the Wings don't create a draft list or that Hakan unilaterally determines where Euros fall on that draft list? I am very confused.

Hakan is the head European scout and he famously pushed for guys like Zetterberg and Datsyuk.

Why in the hell is this controversial?

Everyone bitched about Tyler Wright's picks when he headed up the scouting department... or Draper's picks of NA players.

I'm not saying that the Wings neglect to make a draft list... but I am saying that lots of times when people say Hakan picks now, they do mean that he has the final say-so on european players as he's the head scout who reports to Yzerman for there.

Are there specific foreign scouts that push for this guy versus that? Of course. Like Christer Rockstrom. But the boss gets the credit for good picks and he gets the blame for bad picks.

 

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[wingerdinger]

i think we're going to have a down year. And we'll be in for Jakob ihs Wozniak.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

i think we're going to have a down year. And we'll be in for Jakob ihs Wozniak.

Maybe this is the season Detroit wins the lottery?

 

[wingerdinger]

Maybe this is the season Detroit wins the lottery?

We really are stuck in purgatory. We arent bad enough anymore to bottom out to get the game breaking talent, or good enough to cobble a playoff push off. Last year was our best shot and now we're still 2-3 years away from making that push.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

We really are stuck in purgatory. We arent bad enough anymore to bottom out to get the game breaking talent, or good enough to cobble a playoff push off. Last year was our best shot and now we're still 2-3 years away from making that push.

Meh, we are one long term injury to Larkin or Seider away from being really bad. We are still a very fragile group without much depth.

 

[wingerdinger]

Meh, we are one long term injury to Larkin or Seider away from being really bad. We are still a very fragile group without much depth.

I think you under estimate how bad montreal san jose anahiem and chicago still are. And somehow one or both of Buffalo and ottawa we still be worse than us.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Well for the sake of discussion, if the Wings get say, #2, who do you want them to pick?

 

[lilidk]

Maybe this is the season Detroit wins the lottery?

If we are sellers at the end of the season, we could combine picks and trade up. Next draft will be great

 

[GoBoltz56]

Well for the sake of discussion, if the Wings get say, #2, who do you want them to pick?

Martone or Frondell.

 

[Snuggs]

Should be in the running for James Hagens, that should be exciting. Lottery night will be worth watching.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Should be in the running for James Hagens, that should be exciting. Lottery night will be worth watching.

Why? To watch us get stuck with the 4th pick again?

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Why? To watch us get stuck with the 4th pick again?

I doubt they get 4th in this scenario.

Win a lottery spot yes, if not they'd basically have to last or close for the 4th.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I doubt they get 4th in this scenario.

Win a lottery spot yes, if not they'd basically have to last or close for the 4th.

I think the Wings finish closer to 8th next year. Not great lotto odds but maybe we get lucky?

 

[Henkka]

Think our draft strategies will start changing at some point.

Yzerman has clearly had a plan to draft

A) defence-first
B) goalies-first
C) defensive minded top forwards first.

That will create the right team culture, and skill players will come last. This is kind of the smartest tactic under the cap. Skill player will get paid too much for their needless early production at youngish age. When you get the defensive minded guys first, your caphits won't accelerate out of the hands.

I know many have hated this approach, but I don't think drafting only defensive or physical forwards will last forever. Plante was first sign, that they will start trying to find these offensive gems too.

The right culture is created first and skill added last.

The Yzerplan.

 

[norrisnick]

Think our draft strategies will start changing at some point.

Yzerman has clearly had a plan to draft

A) defence-first
B) goalies-first
C) defensive minded top forwards first.

That will create the right team culture, and skill players will come last. This is kind of the smartest tactic under the cap. Skill player will get paid too much for their needless early production at youngish age. When you get the defensive minded guys first, your caphits won't accelerate out of the hands.

I know many have hated this approach, but I don't think drafting only defensive or physical forwards will last forever. Plante was first sign, that they will start trying to find these offensive gems too.

The right culture is created first and skill added last.

The Yzerplan.

I mean, it's easy to see a pattern when you just completely ignore other pieces of evidence.

Mastrosimone, Tyutyayev, Raymond, the Dower-Nilsson boys, Kilpinen, Buchelnikov, Lombardi, Sandin-Pellikka. Yzerman has been drafting "skill" players since he got here.

 

[Henkka]

I mean, it's easy to see a pattern when you just completely ignore other pieces of evidence.

Mastrosimone, Tyutyayev, Raymond, the Dower-Nilsson boys, Kilpinen, Buchelnikov, Lombardi, Sandin-Pellikka. Yzerman has been drafting "skill" players since he got here.

Yeah, but all top drafted forwards have not been lacking defence. Raymond, Kasper, Danielson, MBN.

It would look a bit different if you go after Eiserman, Dvorsky, Savoie, Eklund etc.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I would look a bit different if you go after Eiserman, Dvorsky, Savoie, Eklund etc.

Those players are not better than the players Detroit picked in those spots.

But as far as swinging for a pick, sure.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Starting to hone in on a couple players for Detroit's 1st.

Cole Reschny
Charlie Trethewey
Malcolm Spence
Jake O'Brien
Ivan Ryabkin

After the 1st:

Braeden Cootes
Gabriel D'Aigle
L.J. Mooney
Bill Zannon
Braydon McCallum
Ben Kevan
Cullen Potter
Artyom Vilchinsky
Cameron Schmidt
Kirill Yemelyanov