NHL 2025 DRAFT - Bruins pick 7th

[KnightofBoston]

Im just gonna throw this here and take the flack

I think Desnoyers has an upside of a high end second line center who is excellent on both sides of the puck.

I think O'Brien has the tools to make his upside a first line center.

O'Brien is flashier, but Desnoyers is safer.

And the chances Desnoyers reaches his upside are better then O'Brien reaching his.

Why take flack for a totally reasonable take


Here’s a hotter take; the bruins lucked out picking at 7 even when it doesn’t look like it. Because the top 6 is actually really hard to gauge (and they were unlikely to land a top 2 pick) By the time they pick, it’ll be a lot easier to determine from who’s left who is BPA

 

[wintersej]

I would be excited for Frondell (in full disclosure I probably was throwing shit when they drafted some guy named Patrice Bergeron-Cleary) but Eklund just seems like a near sure thing at a position Fabian Lysell is listed as RW2

Eklund brother went 7 and is going be a point per game guy with SJ ~ I’ve read Viktor is better

They have a zillion centers and Lindholm is a top 6 easy and Zacha is solid 2C or super 3C

They got Mitts, Poitras, Minton, Letourneau, Locmelis etc…..

If they are sold on Frondell take him I just see Eklund continuing to outplay him on game video

Eklund certainly sees the ice better, is more developed, drives play better, and you hope that effort is infectious.

But man, a pure shooter (especially left shot) with size and strength to play low in his own zone, with more runway for development sure is attractive.

For me it comes down to if you think Frondell can make strides in driving play or if you think someone else is going to have to do all the work. My gut says you are choosing from something like Bratt vs something like Zibanejad with a little more swing in either way for Frondell.

 

[bobber]

I wonder if Frondell will fall a bit in the draft with his injury history. GMs might be leary and pass on him.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Eklund certainly sees the ice better, is more developed, drives play better, and you hope that effort is infectious.

But man, a pure shooter (especially left shot) with size and strength to play low in his own zone, with more runway for development sure is attractive.

For me it comes down to if you think Frondell can make strides in driving play or if you think someone else is going to have to do all the work. My gut says you are choosing from something like Bratt vs something like Zibanejad with a little more swing in either way for Frondell.

I see Laine with more drive, but maybe not a ton more.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Im just gonna throw this here and take the flack

I think Desnoyers has an upside of a high end second line center who is excellent on both sides of the puck.

I think O'Brien has the tools to make his upside a first line center.

O'Brien is flashier, but Desnoyers is safer.

And the chances Desnoyers reaches his upside are better then O'Brien reaching his.

What of O'Brien if he does not reach the potential? A productive NHLer or no NHLer at all?

Seeing the Bruins swing for the fences on potential would be bold and in my opinion necessary. No other way to find a true #1 center unless another Savard situation happens.

 

[DominicT]

What of O'Brien if he does not reach the potential? A productive NHLer or no NHLer at all?

Seeing the Bruins swing for the fences on potential would be bold and in my opinion necessary. No other way to find a true #1 center unless another Savard situation happens.

I think he is an NHL'er even if he doesn't reach his full potential. How high can he go? It's up to him and the development coaches.

To me, there are two first line centers: Misa and Hagens.

Then there are two that have the tools required: O'Brien and McQueen. But everyone knows the questions surrounding McQueen.

We'll find out more at the combine in Buffalo. I'll be there.

 

[wintersej]

I see Laine with more drive, but maybe not a ton more.

Certainly more in his own zone.

 

[CellyHard]

Call me crazy, but drafting 160lb wingers (Eklund) scares the shit out of me...

Same I wouldn't have even bothered on that 6'0'' 168lb RW in 2014

Only playing

 

[since76]

Man that McQueen kid is like a lotto ticket 6 foot 5 centers point a game last year but played much less then others due to major injury concerns dont go on trees. Big risk to pick him at 7 with all this fog of his back issues but if he is healthy he could be better then the top 2. Somone might hit a grand slam here. I'm really intrigued more and more I read about him.

At 6’5 , 18 yo …a point per game is very low and nothing exceptional at all ! He is bigger and older than almost everyone , Again bruins need very high offensive talent not another big 3rd liner !!!

 

[Kegs]

I think he is an NHL'er even if he doesn't reach his full potential. How high can he go? It's up to him and the development coaches.

To me, there are two first line centers: Misa and Hagens.

Then there are two that have the tools required: O'Brien and McQueen. But everyone knows the questions surrounding McQueen.

We'll find out more at the combine in Buffalo. I'll be there.

How do you feel about Brady Martin?

 

[Gee Wally]

Those were great Flyers teams.
Having said that let’s please get back to this draft.
Thanks

 

[Bodit9]

O'Brien or Eklund. Unless someone else falls. I really like O'Brien's hockey IQ and playmaking. Elite. Love Eklund's motor. Don't think you can go wrong with either.

 

[KnightofBoston]

At 6’5 , 18 yo …a point per game is very low and nothing exceptional at all ! He is bigger and older than almost everyone , Again bruins need very high offensive talent not another big 3rd liner !!!

well according to Dom he has the toolset to be a 1st line center more than most players in the draft, it's just his back history and other question marks that worry teams

but ten years from now we might all be looking back going "I wish we didn't pass on McQueen!!!" just like Thomas and others.

 

[Crash Bandicoot]

I ask Google's Gemini to use the same stats as the professional, and this is what he/she/they/them/WTF said.

As an AI, I don't "watch" hockey games or attend scouting combines like human scouts do. My "data" comes from processing and synthesizing vast amounts of publicly available information, including:

Key Considerations for the 2025 Draft Class (Early Look):

• No Clear-Cut Celebrini: Unlike the 2024 draft with Macklin Celebrini, the 2025 class doesn't have an undisputed, generational talent at the top. There's a strong group, but the "best player" could realistically come from a handful of prospects.
• Defenseman Heavy at the Top: There appears to be a strong contingent of high-end defensemen projected in the top 10-15.
• OHL Dominance: Several top prospects are from the Ontario Hockey League (OHL), which is a major feeder league for the NHL.
  
  
• "Draft Minus One" Season: Most of these players are currently in their "draft minus one" season (meaning they are 17, turning 18 during the draft year). Their performance in the upcoming 2024-2025 season will heavily influence their final ranking.

• Statistical Data: Points, goals, assists, penalty minutes, plus/minus, shots on goal, time on ice, special teams production (PPG, PPP, SHG, SHP), and advanced stats like Corsi, Fenwick, and Expected Goals (when available for junior leagues). I look at production relative to league, age, and production trends over time.
• Scouting Reports: I analyze qualitative descriptions from various reputable scouting services (Elite Prospects, NHL Central Scouting, FCHockey, The Hockey News, Dobber Prospects, McKeen's Hockey, etc.). This includes assessments of skating (speed, agility, edge work), shot (accuracy, power, release), puck skills (dangling, passing, control), hockey IQ (playmaking, defensive reads, off-puck movement), compete level, physicality, and overall athletic profile.
• Player Comparables: I note the NHL player comparisons made by scouts, as these offer insight into a player's perceived ceiling and style.
• Contextual Factors:
  • League Quality: Production in a strong league (e.g., NCAA, Liiga, SHL, top CHL leagues) is weighted more heavily.
  • Team Role: Was a player a top-line center or a bottom-six grinder? This impacts their opportunities for production.
  • Age and Development Curve: Younger players for their draft class with high production often have higher upside.
  • Injuries: Significant injuries can impact draft stock, but a player's long-term potential might remain high.
  • "Russian Factor": While lessening, the uncertainty of players under contract in Russia (KHL) can sometimes lead to them sliding in the draft.
  • World Junior Championship (WJC) and U18 World Championship Performance: These tournaments offer a chance to see top prospects compete against their peers on an international stage.

My Approach to Generating a Ranking:

Instead of simply copying one specific ranking, I create a "consensus" by:

1. Identifying Top Tiers: There's usually a strong agreement on the top players. I'll solidify those first.
2. Looking for Commonalities: I cross-reference multiple reputable sources. A player consistently appearing in the top 15 across several lists indicates a strong consensus.
3. Evaluating Discrepancies: If one scout has a player significantly higher or lower than others, I'll look for the reasoning (e.g., did they see something unique, or are they emphasizing a particular attribute?).
4. Prioritizing Key Attributes: For an NHL player, I generally prioritize:
   • Hockey IQ: The ability to read the game, make smart decisions, and adapt. This is often seen as the most difficult trait to teach.
   • Skating: Modern NHL is all about speed and mobility.
   • Offensive Skill: Shooting, passing, puck handling that can generate offense at the highest level.
   • Compete Level: Work ethic, battle, and desire to win.
   • Size/Strength (contextual): While not paramount for all players, it's a significant advantage for centers and defensemen.
5. Positional Value: Centers and defensemen are generally more valuable than wingers, particularly if they are right-shot defensemen.

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My Own Top 64 Ranking for the 2025 NHL Draft (Preliminary & Speculative)
Tier 1: Potential Franchise Player

1. Michael Misa (C/LW, Saginaw Spirit, OHL):Highly skilled, intelligent, and mature two-way forward. He was granted exceptional status into the OHL and has consistently produced. Considered the consensus top prospect at this very early stage due to his complete game and high offensive ceiling.

Tier 2: High-End Future Impact Players

1. Matthew Schaefer (LHD, Erie Otters, OHL):A smooth-skating, high-IQ defenseman with excellent two-way capabilities. He plays a very mature game for his age and projects as a top-pairing blueliner.
   
   
   
2. James Hagens (C, Boston College, NCAA): Exceptionally talented and dynamic offensive center. Elite playmaking and puck skills, makes players around him better. His commitment to Boston College means he'll be playing against older competition.
3. Anton Frondell (C/RW, Djurgårdens IF, Allsvenskan): A strong, powerful center with a well-rounded game. He's physical, drives the net, and has good scoring touch. Plays a pro-style game.
4. Caleb Desnoyers (C, Moncton Wildcats, QMJHL): A smart, skilled, and versatile center. He consistently puts up points and plays with a high compete level.
5. Porter Martone (RW, Brampton Steelheads, OHL): Big, powerful winger who plays a strong north-south game. Excellent shot and uses his size to win puck battles and drive the net.
   
   
6. Brady Martin (C, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds, OHL): A strong two-way center with good skating and determination. He's a competitive player who impacts the game in multiple ways.

Tier 3: Future Top-Six / Top-Four Players with Significant Upside

1. Jake O'Brien (C, Brantford Bulldogs, OHL): A skilled playmaker with good vision and offensive instincts. He showed a significant surge in the second half of his last season.
2. Roger McQueen (C/RW, Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL): A massive forward with an intriguing blend of size and skill. If he can stay healthy and fill out his frame, his upside is immense.
3. Victor Eklund (RW, Djurgårdens IF, Allsvenskan): Tenacious and fast-moving winger with a high hockey IQ. He thinks the game at a high level and has deceptive offensive tools.
   
   
4. Jackson Smith (LHD, Tri-City Americans, WHL): A big, reliable two-way defenseman. He plays a steady game and has good defensive instincts for his size.
5. Carter Bear (LW, Everett Silvertips, WHL): Skilled forward with a good shot and strong offensive instincts. Played well before an injury cut his season short; medicals will be key.
6. Justin Carbonneau (RW, Blainville-Boisbriand, QMJHL): A strong, skilled winger with good offensive production. Plays a direct, impactful game.
7. Malcolm Spence (LW, Erie Otters, OHL): Talented winger with high-end flashes. Consistency will be key for him, but his top-end skill is undeniable.
   
   
8. Logan Hensler (RHD, University of Wisconsin, NCAA Commit): A strong, right-shot defenseman with good size and defensive capabilities.
9. Ivan Ryabkin (C, Muskegon Lumberjacks, USHL): Offensive-minded center with a strong determination and a good shot. Showed significant production in the USHL.

Tier 4: Solid NHL Prospects (Likely Middle-Six / Bottom-Pairing with Upside)

1. Kashawn Aitcheson (LHD, Barrie Colts, OHL): A strong, physical defenseman with good mobility. Plays a tough game.
2. Braeden Cootes (C, Seattle Thunderbirds, WHL): Competitive center with good offensive production and a solid all-around game.
   
   
3. Lynden Lakovic (LW, Moose Jaw Warriors, WHL): A big, power forward with a good shot and physicality.
4. Blake Fiddler (RHD, Edmonton Oil Kings, WHL): Big, right-shot defenseman with a good frame and potential to grow into his game.
   
   
5. Joshua Ravensbergen (G, Prince George Cougars, WHL): Top goaltending prospect for the class. Good size and athleticism.
   
   
6. Cullen Potter (LW, Arizona State, NCAA): Skilled forward with good offensive instincts and a willingness to compete.
7. Benjamin Kindel (RW, Calgary Hitmen, WHL): Offensive winger with good puck skills and strong production.
   
   
8. Cole Reschny (C/LW, Victoria Royals, WHL): Highly productive forward with good offensive instincts and skill.
9. Sascha Boumedienne (LHD, Boston University, NCAA): Mobile defenseman with good puck skills and offensive potential.
   
   
10. Bill Zonnon (LW, Rouyn-Noranda Huskies, QMJHL): Big winger with good size and developing offensive game.
    
    
11. Jack Nesbitt (C, Windsor Spitfires, OHL): Big center who uses his size effectively, needs to refine his overall game.
12. Jack Murtagh (C/LW, USNTDP): Skilled forward with good hands and vision.
13. Cameron Schmidt (RW, Vancouver Giants, WHL): Smaller, highly skilled and dynamic winger with excellent offensive tools.
14. Milton Gästrin (C/LW, MoDo Hockey J20, J20 Nationell): Smart, skilled forward from Sweden with good hockey sense.
15. Shane Vansaghi (RW, Michigan State, NCAA): Strong, physical winger with good compete.
16. Henry Brzustewicz (RHD, London Knights, OHL): Right-shot defenseman with good offensive instincts and mobility.

Tier 5: Promising Prospects (Potential NHLers with Development)

1. William Moore (C, USNTDP): Two-way center with good size and responsible play.
   
   
2. Charlie Trethewey (RHD, USNTDP): Physical, defensive right-shot defenseman.
   
   
3. Ryker Lee (RW, Madison Capitols, USHL): Skilled winger with good offensive instincts.
4. Leo Räty (G, Kärpät, Liiga): Finnish goaltender with good size and athleticism.
5. Daniil Ustinkov (LHD, ZSC Lions, NL): Large, physical defenseman from Switzerland.
6. John Mustard (C/RW, Waterloo, USHL): Energetic and skilled forward.
7. Ondřej Kos (C, Prince George, WHL): Czech center with good skill and offensive upside.
8. Lucas Van Vliet (LW, USNTDP): Big, power winger with a good shot.
9. Julius Miettinen (C/W, Everett, WHL): Strong two-way forward with good defensive awareness.
10. Noel Nordh (LW, Brynäs J20, Sweden): Power winger with a good shot and physical play.
    
    
11. David Svozil (LHD, Rimouski, QMJHL): Smaller, offensive defenseman with good skating.
12. Maxmilian Curran (C, Tri-City, WHL): Big center with good tools, needs refinement.
13. Melvin Fernstrom (LW, Örebro J20, Sweden): Goal-scoring winger from Sweden.
14. Tomas Galvas (LHD, Bílí Tygři Liberec, Czechia): Smaller, offensive defenseman with good skating and vision.
15. Léo Hébert (LHD, Sherbrooke, QMJHL): Mobile defenseman with good offensive instincts.
16. Owen Griffin (C, London, OHL): Intelligent center from a strong program.
    
    
17. Jianni Fairbrother (C, Vernon, BCHL): Skilled forward, intriguing.
18. Shaun Gauthier (RW, Kitchener, OHL): Physical winger with good compete.
19. Will Hutchinson (G, London, OHL): Another top goaltending prospect.
20. Colton Roberts (LHD, Vancouver, WHL): Defensive defenseman with good size.
21. Alexander Voinov (LHD, CSKA Moscow, MHL): Russian defenseman with good tools.
22. Jack Laylin (RW, Frolunda HC J20, Sweden): Skilled Swedish forward.
23. Ethan Procyszyn (C, North Bay, OHL): Two-way center.
    
    
24. Joe Arntsen (LHD, Lethbridge, WHL): Big, defensive defenseman.
25. Felix Plouffe (RW, Val-d'Or, QMJHL): Skilled winger with offensive upside.
26. Samu Korpinen (C, Kärpät J20, Finland): Finnish center with good all-around game.
27. Ethan Procyszyn (C, North Bay, OHL): Two-way center with good size.
    
    
28. Nathan Behm (RW, Kamloops, WHL): Big, skilled winger, production dropped after a hot start.
29. Karel Vejmelka (RHD, HC Kometa Brno, Czechia): Right-shot defenseman.
30. Simon Wang (LHD, Örebro J20, Sweden): Mobile defenseman.
31. Alexandros Souliotis (LHD, Ottawa, OHL): Skilled defenseman.
32. Ben Robertson (C, Owen Sound, OHL): Playmaking center.

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Important Caveats for 2025 Rankings:

• Extremely Early: These players have yet to play their draft-eligible seasons. Some have had strong U17 or Hlinka Gretzky performances, but consistency over a full season is paramount.
• Rapid Development: Prospects develop at different rates. Players outside the top 10 now could easily climb into that range with a strong 2024-25 season.
• Visibility: Some players, particularly those in less-covered leagues or who may not get as much international exposure, might be underrated at this stage.
• Injuries: As seen in the 2024 draft (e.g., Catton, Lindstrom), injuries can significantly impact a player's season and draft stock.
• "Pop-up" Prospects: Every year, players emerge seemingly out of nowhere to become high picks based on dominant draft-year performances. This list won't capture those.

This ranking provides a current snapshot based on the available information, but the 2025 draft class will undoubtedly evolve dramatically over the next 12 months.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

I ask Google's Gemini to use the same stats as the professional, and this is what he/she/they/them/WTF said.

As an AI, I don't "watch" hockey games or attend scouting combines like human scouts do. My "data" comes from processing and synthesizing vast amounts of publicly available information, including:

• Statistical Data: Points, goals, assists, penalty minutes, plus/minus, shots on goal, time on ice, special teams production (PPG, PPP, SHG, SHP), and advanced stats like Corsi, Fenwick, and Expected Goals (when available for junior leagues). I look at production relative to league, age, and production trends over time.
• Scouting Reports: I analyze qualitative descriptions from various reputable scouting services (Elite Prospects, NHL Central Scouting, FCHockey, The Hockey News, Dobber Prospects, McKeen's Hockey, etc.). This includes assessments of skating (speed, agility, edge work), shot (accuracy, power, release), puck skills (dangling, passing, control), hockey IQ (playmaking, defensive reads, off-puck movement), compete level, physicality, and overall athletic profile.
• Player Comparables: I note the NHL player comparisons made by scouts, as these offer insight into a player's perceived ceiling and style.
• Contextual Factors:
  • League Quality: Production in a strong league (e.g., NCAA, Liiga, SHL, top CHL leagues) is weighted more heavily.
  • Team Role: Was a player a top-line center or a bottom-six grinder? This impacts their opportunities for production.
  • Age and Development Curve: Younger players for their draft class with high production often have higher upside.
  • Injuries: Significant injuries can impact draft stock, but a player's long-term potential might remain high.
  • "Russian Factor": While lessening, the uncertainty of players under contract in Russia (KHL) can sometimes lead to them sliding in the draft.
  • World Junior Championship (WJC) and U18 World Championship Performance: These tournaments offer a chance to see top prospects compete against their peers on an international stage.

My Approach to Generating a Ranking:

Instead of simply copying one specific ranking, I create a "consensus" by:

1. Identifying Top Tiers: There's usually a strong agreement on the top players. I'll solidify those first.
2. Looking for Commonalities: I cross-reference multiple reputable sources. A player consistently appearing in the top 15 across several lists indicates a strong consensus.
3. Evaluating Discrepancies: If one scout has a player significantly higher or lower than others, I'll look for the reasoning (e.g., did they see something unique, or are they emphasizing a particular attribute?).
4. Prioritizing Key Attributes: For an NHL player, I generally prioritize:
   • Hockey IQ: The ability to read the game, make smart decisions, and adapt. This is often seen as the most difficult trait to teach.
   • Skating: Modern NHL is all about speed and mobility.
   • Offensive Skill: Shooting, passing, puck handling that can generate offense at the highest level.
   • Compete Level: Work ethic, battle, and desire to win.
   • Size/Strength (contextual): While not paramount for all players, it's a significant advantage for centers and defensemen.
5. Positional Value: Centers and defensemen are generally more valuable than wingers, particularly if they are right-shot defensemen.

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My Own Top 64 Ranking for the 2024 NHL Draft (Synthesized Analysis)​

Considering the current draft landscape, this ranking reflects a balance of NHL readiness, high-end potential, statistical performance, and valuable hockey attributes.

Tier 1: Elite Franchise Talent

1. Macklin Celebrini (C, Boston University, NCAA): Unanimous #1. Exceptional two-way game, high-end skill, incredible compete. Ready for the NHL. His Hobey Baker as a freshman is a huge indicator of immediate impact and sustained excellence.

Tier 2: Potential Star / High-End Top Line/Pair

1. Ivan Demidov (RW, SKA St. Petersburg, MHL): Pure offensive creativity and stickhandling wizardry. While the "Russian factor" exists, his offensive ceiling is among the highest.
2. Artyom Levshunov (RHD, Michigan State, NCAA): Mobile, big, and effective two-way RHD. Excellent offensive instincts from the blueline. His NCAA performance demonstrates translatability.
3. Zeev Buium (LHD, Denver, NCAA): Elite skater and puck-moving defenseman who quarterbacked Denver's offense. His WJC performance solidified his stock. High hockey IQ.
4. Cayden Lindstrom (C, Medicine Hat, WHL): A true power forward with size, speed, and skill. His injury was a concern, but when healthy, he drives play and creates offense physically.
5. Sam Dickinson (LHD, London, OHL): A complete, well-rounded defenseman. Excellent skater, strong defensively, and growing offensive game. High floor, significant upside.
6. Berkly Catton (C, Spokane, WHL): Highly intelligent, shifty center with elite offensive production. Despite being slightly undersized, his brain and skills make him dangerous.

Tier 3: Impact NHL Players (Top-Six Forward / Top-Four Defenseman)

1. Zayne Parekh (RHD, Saginaw, OHL): One of the most dynamic offensive defensemen in the draft. Fantastic puck skills, shot, and vision for power play. Defensive refinement is the main question mark.
2. Konsta Helenius (C, Jukurit, Liiga): A Highly versatile and intelligent two-way forward who can play center or wing. Plays a mature, pro-style game.
3. Michael Brandsegg-Nygård (RW, Mora IK, HockeyAllsvenskan): Strong, competitive winger with a heavy shot and a willingness to drive to the net. His performance in pro leagues is a good sign.
4. Anton Silayev (LHD, Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod, KHL): Imposing size (6'7") with impressive mobility for his frame. Projects as a dominant shutdown defenseman, though his offensive upside is limited.
5. Tij Iginla (C/W, Kelowna, WHL): Showing incredible offensive growth. Good shot, competitive, and plays with intensity. Projects as a middle-six forward with top-six potential.
6. Liam Greentree (RW, Windsor, OHL): Big, strong winger with good puck protection and playmaking ability. Uses his size effectively.
7. Cole Eiserman (LW, USNTDP, NCAA Commit): Best pure goal scorer in the draft. Elite shot and release. Needs to round out his overall game, but his scoring touch is undeniable.
8. Carter Yakemchuk (RHD, Calgary, WHL): A big, offensive defenseman with a booming shot. Skating is good, but needs to improve defensive consistency. High offensive ceiling.
9. Beckett Sennecke (RW, Oshawa, OHL): Late-season riser with good size and high-end puck skills. Creative and effective in the offensive zone.

Tier 4: Solid NHL Prospects (Middle-Six / Bottom-Pairing with upside)

1. Jett Luchanko (C, Guelph, OHL): High-motor, intelligent two-way center with good speed and compete. Reliable and coachable.
2. Michael Hage (C, Chicago Steel, USHL): Skilled center with good vision and offensive instincts. Injury impacted his season, but he showed high potential.
3. Nikita Artamonov (RW, Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod, KHL): Gritty, two-way forward with good compete and offensive flashes. Plays a pro-style game.
4. Trevor Connelly (LW, Tri-City, USHL): Dynamic and highly skilled winger with a lot of offensive flash. Off-ice concerns have impacted his draft stock, but the talent is undeniable.
5. Stian Solberg (LHD, Vålerenga, Norway/SHL): Physical, hard-nosed shutdown defenseman who impressed at the men's World Championships. High floor as a defensive defenseman.
6. Adam Jiříček (RHD, HC Plzeň, Czechia): Mobile, right-shot defenseman with good defensive reads. Injuries limited his season, but his toolkit is appealing.
7. Sacha Boisvert (C, Muskegon, USHL): Big center with a good shot and a developing two-way game. Good athletic profile.
8. Ryder Ritchie (RW, Prince Albert, WHL): Versatile winger with good offensive instincts and a solid all-around game.
9. Emil Hemming (RW, TPS, Liiga): Power winger with a good shot and willingness to engage physically.
10. Cole Beaudoin (C, Barrie, OHL): Highly competitive, intense two-way center who excels in puck battles and defense.
11. Dean Letourneau (C, St. Andrew's College, PHC): Raw but highly intriguing prospect with elite size and athletic tools. Long-term project with immense upside.
12. Charlie Elick (RHD, Brandon, WHL): Pure shutdown right-shot defenseman. Physical, reliable, and strong in his own end.
13. EJ Emery (RHD, USNTDP): Another strong defensive RHD with great size and mobility. Limited offensive upside, but projects as a quality defender.
14. Matvei Gridin (RW, Muskegon, USHL): Offensive winger with good hands and scoring ability.
15. Alfons Freij (LHD, Växjö Lakers J20, Sweden): Offensive defenseman with excellent skating and puck skills, good offensive instincts.
16. Ben Danford (RHD, Oshawa, OHL): Smart, reliable defensive defenseman with good reads and mobility.

Tier 5: Developmental Prospects (Potential NHLers, Higher Variance)

1. Aron Kiviharju (LHD, HIFK, Liiga): Once considered a top-5 pick, injuries and a less dominant season have seen him drop. Still possesses elite offensive vision and puck skills. A high-reward swing.
2. Andrew Basha (LW, Medicine Hat, WHL): Skilled playmaker with good offensive instincts and a high motor.
3. Tanner Howe (LW, Regina, WHL): Productive junior scorer with good offensive instincts.
4. Leo Sahlin Wallenius (LHD, Växjö Lakers J20, Sweden): Mobile, two-way defenseman with good skating and puck movement.
5. Miguel Marques (RW, Lethbridge, WHL): Creative and shifty winger with good offensive tools, can drive play.
6. Henry Mews (RHD, Ottawa, OHL): Offensive defenseman with good puck skills and vision, but defensive consistency is a question.
7. Yegor Surin (C, Loko Yaroslavl, MHL): Gritty, two-way center with good compete and a pro-style game.
8. Dominik Badinka (RHD, Malmö J20, Sweden): Mobile, two-way defenseman from Czechia, solid defensive reads.
9. Sam O'Reilly (C/W, London, OHL): Versatile forward with good hockey sense and a strong work ethic, part of a strong London team.
10. Terik Parascak (RW, Prince George, WHL): Highly productive winger with excellent offensive instincts and IQ, but questions about his skating.
11. Luke Misa (C, Mississauga, OHL): Fast, skilled center with good offensive tools, undersized.
12. Maxim Masse (RW, Chicoutimi, QMJHL): Big, skilled winger with a good shot.
13. Jesse Pulkkinen (LHD, JYP, Liiga) is an overager who impressed with his size and mobility against men. He is an intriguing project.
14. Will Skahan (LHD, USNTDP): Big, physical defensive defenseman with solid mobility.
15. Kamil Bednarik (C, USNTDP): Two-way center with good defensive instincts and playmaking.
16. Adam Jecho (C/RW, Edmonton, WHL): Big forward with skill, though consistency can be an issue.
17. Veeti Väisänen (LHD, KooKoo, Liiga): Smooth-skating Finnish defenseman.
18. Leon Muggli (LHD, EV Zug, NL): Mobile, smart defenseman from Switzerland.
19. Ben Riche (RW, Medicine Hat, WHL): Skilled forward with good hands and offensive upside.
20. Daniil Ustinkov (LHD, ZSC Lions, NL): Large, physical defenseman from Switzerland with a developing offensive game.
21. Teddy Stiga (LW, USNTDP): Energetic and skilled winger, good on the forecheck.
22. Jack Nesbitt (C, Windsor, OHL): Big center with good tools, needs to refine his game to harness his size.
23. Lucas Van Vliet (LW, USNTDP): Power winger with a good shot, strong on the cycle.
24. Julius Miettinen (C/W, Everett, WHL): Strong two-way center with good defensive awareness.
25. Noel Nordh (LW, Brynäs J20, Sweden): Power winger with a good shot.
26. Ryerson Leenders (G, Mississauga, OHL): Top goalie prospect, athletic and competitive. Goalie rankings are highly subjective.
27. Jack McKenna (RW, USNTDP): Highly skilled forward with offensive upside.
28. Melvin Fernstrom (LW, Örebro J20, Sweden): Goal-scoring winger from Sweden, needs to improve his consistency.
29. David Svozil (LHD, Rimouski, QMJHL): Smaller, offensive defenseman with good skating and puck movement.
30. Maxmilian Curran (C, Tri-City, WHL): Big center from the WHL, good two-way potential.
31. Ilya Nabokov (G, Metallurg Magnitogorsk, KHL): Older, highly touted Russian goalie who has excelled in the KHL.
32. Tomas Galvas (LHD, Bílí Tygři Liberec, Czechia): Smaller, offensive defenseman with good skating and vision.

This ranking prioritizes a blend of projectable NHL skills, statistical performance relative to competition, and overall potential. The beauty of the draft is that development curves are unique, and many players will exceed or fall short of these initial expectations.

Impressive stuff .. wow

 

[Crash Bandicoot]

Impressive stuff .. wow

I revised the dates in the draft to ensure accuracy and updated the year accordingly. I realize I overlooked communicating this change to Gemini, which led to some discrepancies. Nevertheless, the 2024 draft list will be valuable for tracking the prospects' performances during the 2024-2025 and 2025-2026 seasons. This process of backchecking will allow us to identify any initial flaws or misjudgments, helping us refine our evaluations for the future.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

well according to Dom he has the toolset to be a 1st line center more than most players in the draft, it's just his back history and other question marks that worry teams

but ten years from now we might all be looking back going "I wish we didn't pass on McQueen!!!" just like Thomas and others.

It is certainly possible. It is also possible he has been retired for 5 years at that point, and O'Brien has had a Barzal type career, and Ekland had had 7 30 goal seasons

 

[KnightofBoston]

It is certainly possible. It is also possible he has been retired for 5 years at that point, and O'Brien has had a Barzal type career, and Ekland had had 7 30 goal seasons

absolutely!

I don't envy the choices Sweeney and his team will have to make but as a fan Im excited to see how things shake out

 

[Bruin4]

well according to Dom he has the toolset to be a 1st line center more than most players in the draft, it's just his back history and other question marks that worry teams

but ten years from now we might all be looking back going "I wish we didn't pass on McQueen!!!" just like Thomas and others.

Even with his upside, it’s way too risky for a team who needs to hit on this top 10 pick.

 

[yazmybaby]

We

A point a game isn't impressive at that level. Jake O'Brien was 1.5 points per game

If McQueen were Obrien's size would he even be in the top 20? 25? Does 3 inches of height really skyrocket him that much despite some of his injury worries, his poor skating and lack of production?

Yeah he is a lotto ticket. But as we all know Lotto tickets are generally horrible investments. Sure maybe you are the lucky one who beats the odds and win, but very likely just throwing your money away

We already have a lottery ticket ticket when we drafted Dean....we do not need another one.
Take one of Eklund or O'Brien and we should be fine.
Both will be there at 7.

 

[sleepyh]

I ask Google's Gemini to use the same stats as the professional, and this is what he/she/they/them/WTF said.

As an AI, I don't "watch" hockey games or attend scouting combines like human scouts do. My "data" comes from processing and synthesizing vast amounts of publicly available information, including:

Key Considerations for the 2025 Draft Class (Early Look):

• No Clear-Cut Celebrini: Unlike the 2024 draft with Macklin Celebrini, the 2025 class doesn't have an undisputed, generational talent at the top. There's a strong group, but the "best player" could realistically come from a handful of prospects.
• Defenseman Heavy at the Top: There appears to be a strong contingent of high-end defensemen projected in the top 10-15.
• OHL Dominance: Several top prospects are from the Ontario Hockey League (OHL), which is a major feeder league for the NHL.
  
  
• "Draft Minus One" Season: Most of these players are currently in their "draft minus one" season (meaning they are 17, turning 18 during the draft year). Their performance in the upcoming 2024-2025 season will heavily influence their final ranking.

• Statistical Data: Points, goals, assists, penalty minutes, plus/minus, shots on goal, time on ice, special teams production (PPG, PPP, SHG, SHP), and advanced stats like Corsi, Fenwick, and Expected Goals (when available for junior leagues). I look at production relative to league, age, and production trends over time.
• Scouting Reports: I analyze qualitative descriptions from various reputable scouting services (Elite Prospects, NHL Central Scouting, FCHockey, The Hockey News, Dobber Prospects, McKeen's Hockey, etc.). This includes assessments of skating (speed, agility, edge work), shot (accuracy, power, release), puck skills (dangling, passing, control), hockey IQ (playmaking, defensive reads, off-puck movement), compete level, physicality, and overall athletic profile.
• Player Comparables: I note the NHL player comparisons made by scouts, as these offer insight into a player's perceived ceiling and style.
• Contextual Factors:
  • League Quality: Production in a strong league (e.g., NCAA, Liiga, SHL, top CHL leagues) is weighted more heavily.
  • Team Role: Was a player a top-line center or a bottom-six grinder? This impacts their opportunities for production.
  • Age and Development Curve: Younger players for their draft class with high production often have higher upside.
  • Injuries: Significant injuries can impact draft stock, but a player's long-term potential might remain high.
  • "Russian Factor": While lessening, the uncertainty of players under contract in Russia (KHL) can sometimes lead to them sliding in the draft.
  • World Junior Championship (WJC) and U18 World Championship Performance: These tournaments offer a chance to see top prospects compete against their peers on an international stage.

My Approach to Generating a Ranking:

Instead of simply copying one specific ranking, I create a "consensus" by:

1. Identifying Top Tiers: There's usually a strong agreement on the top players. I'll solidify those first.
2. Looking for Commonalities: I cross-reference multiple reputable sources. A player consistently appearing in the top 15 across several lists indicates a strong consensus.
3. Evaluating Discrepancies: If one scout has a player significantly higher or lower than others, I'll look for the reasoning (e.g., did they see something unique, or are they emphasizing a particular attribute?).
4. Prioritizing Key Attributes: For an NHL player, I generally prioritize:
   • Hockey IQ: The ability to read the game, make smart decisions, and adapt. This is often seen as the most difficult trait to teach.
   • Skating: Modern NHL is all about speed and mobility.
   • Offensive Skill: Shooting, passing, puck handling that can generate offense at the highest level.
   • Compete Level: Work ethic, battle, and desire to win.
   • Size/Strength (contextual): While not paramount for all players, it's a significant advantage for centers and defensemen.
5. Positional Value: Centers and defensemen are generally more valuable than wingers, particularly if they are right-shot defensemen.

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My Own Top 64 Ranking for the 2025 NHL Draft (Preliminary & Speculative)
Tier 1: Potential Franchise Player

1. Michael Misa (C/LW, Saginaw Spirit, OHL):Highly skilled, intelligent, and mature two-way forward. He was granted exceptional status into the OHL and has consistently produced. Considered the consensus top prospect at this very early stage due to his complete game and high offensive ceiling.

Tier 2: High-End Future Impact Players

1. Matthew Schaefer (LHD, Erie Otters, OHL):A smooth-skating, high-IQ defenseman with excellent two-way capabilities. He plays a very mature game for his age and projects as a top-pairing blueliner.
   
   
   
2. James Hagens (C, Boston College, NCAA): Exceptionally talented and dynamic offensive center. Elite playmaking and puck skills, makes players around him better. His commitment to Boston College means he'll be playing against older competition.
3. Anton Frondell (C/RW, Djurgårdens IF, Allsvenskan): A strong, powerful center with a well-rounded game. He's physical, drives the net, and has good scoring touch. Plays a pro-style game.
4. Caleb Desnoyers (C, Moncton Wildcats, QMJHL): A smart, skilled, and versatile center. He consistently puts up points and plays with a high compete level.
5. Porter Martone (RW, Brampton Steelheads, OHL): Big, powerful winger who plays a strong north-south game. Excellent shot and uses his size to win puck battles and drive the net.
   
   
6. Brady Martin (C, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds, OHL): A strong two-way center with good skating and determination. He's a competitive player who impacts the game in multiple ways.

Tier 3: Future Top-Six / Top-Four Players with Significant Upside

1. Jake O'Brien (C, Brantford Bulldogs, OHL): A skilled playmaker with good vision and offensive instincts. He showed a significant surge in the second half of his last season.
2. Roger McQueen (C/RW, Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL): A massive forward with an intriguing blend of size and skill. If he can stay healthy and fill out his frame, his upside is immense.
3. Victor Eklund (RW, Djurgårdens IF, Allsvenskan): Tenacious and fast-moving winger with a high hockey IQ. He thinks the game at a high level and has deceptive offensive tools.
   
   
4. Jackson Smith (LHD, Tri-City Americans, WHL): A big, reliable two-way defenseman. He plays a steady game and has good defensive instincts for his size.
5. Carter Bear (LW, Everett Silvertips, WHL): Skilled forward with a good shot and strong offensive instincts. Played well before an injury cut his season short; medicals will be key.
6. Justin Carbonneau (RW, Blainville-Boisbriand, QMJHL): A strong, skilled winger with good offensive production. Plays a direct, impactful game.
7. Malcolm Spence (LW, Erie Otters, OHL): Talented winger with high-end flashes. Consistency will be key for him, but his top-end skill is undeniable.
   
   
8. Logan Hensler (RHD, University of Wisconsin, NCAA Commit): A strong, right-shot defenseman with good size and defensive capabilities.
9. Ivan Ryabkin (C, Muskegon Lumberjacks, USHL): Offensive-minded center with a strong determination and a good shot. Showed significant production in the USHL.

Tier 4: Solid NHL Prospects (Likely Middle-Six / Bottom-Pairing with Upside)

1. Kashawn Aitcheson (LHD, Barrie Colts, OHL): A strong, physical defenseman with good mobility. Plays a tough game.
2. Braeden Cootes (C, Seattle Thunderbirds, WHL): Competitive center with good offensive production and a solid all-around game.
   
   
3. Lynden Lakovic (LW, Moose Jaw Warriors, WHL): A big, power forward with a good shot and physicality.
4. Blake Fiddler (RHD, Edmonton Oil Kings, WHL): Big, right-shot defenseman with a good frame and potential to grow into his game.
   
   
5. Joshua Ravensbergen (G, Prince George Cougars, WHL): Top goaltending prospect for the class. Good size and athleticism.
   
   
6. Cullen Potter (LW, Arizona State, NCAA): Skilled forward with good offensive instincts and a willingness to compete.
7. Benjamin Kindel (RW, Calgary Hitmen, WHL): Offensive winger with good puck skills and strong production.
   
   
8. Cole Reschny (C/LW, Victoria Royals, WHL): Highly productive forward with good offensive instincts and skill.
9. Sascha Boumedienne (LHD, Boston University, NCAA): Mobile defenseman with good puck skills and offensive potential.
   
   
10. Bill Zonnon (LW, Rouyn-Noranda Huskies, QMJHL): Big winger with good size and developing offensive game.
    
    
11. Jack Nesbitt (C, Windsor Spitfires, OHL): Big center who uses his size effectively, needs to refine his overall game.
12. Jack Murtagh (C/LW, USNTDP): Skilled forward with good hands and vision.
13. Cameron Schmidt (RW, Vancouver Giants, WHL): Smaller, highly skilled and dynamic winger with excellent offensive tools.
14. Milton Gästrin (C/LW, MoDo Hockey J20, J20 Nationell): Smart, skilled forward from Sweden with good hockey sense.
15. Shane Vansaghi (RW, Michigan State, NCAA): Strong, physical winger with good compete.
16. Henry Brzustewicz (RHD, London Knights, OHL): Right-shot defenseman with good offensive instincts and mobility.

Tier 5: Promising Prospects (Potential NHLers with Development)

1. William Moore (C, USNTDP): Two-way center with good size and responsible play.
   
   
2. Charlie Trethewey (RHD, USNTDP): Physical, defensive right-shot defenseman.
   
   
3. Ryker Lee (RW, Madison Capitols, USHL): Skilled winger with good offensive instincts.
4. Leo Räty (G, Kärpät, Liiga): Finnish goaltender with good size and athleticism.
5. Daniil Ustinkov (LHD, ZSC Lions, NL): Large, physical defenseman from Switzerland.
6. John Mustard (C/RW, Waterloo, USHL): Energetic and skilled forward.
7. Ondřej Kos (C, Prince George, WHL): Czech center with good skill and offensive upside.
8. Lucas Van Vliet (LW, USNTDP): Big, power winger with a good shot.
9. Julius Miettinen (C/W, Everett, WHL): Strong two-way forward with good defensive awareness.
10. Noel Nordh (LW, Brynäs J20, Sweden): Power winger with a good shot and physical play.
    
    
11. David Svozil (LHD, Rimouski, QMJHL): Smaller, offensive defenseman with good skating.
12. Maxmilian Curran (C, Tri-City, WHL): Big center with good tools, needs refinement.
13. Melvin Fernstrom (LW, Örebro J20, Sweden): Goal-scoring winger from Sweden.
14. Tomas Galvas (LHD, Bílí Tygři Liberec, Czechia): Smaller, offensive defenseman with good skating and vision.
15. Léo Hébert (LHD, Sherbrooke, QMJHL): Mobile defenseman with good offensive instincts.
16. Owen Griffin (C, London, OHL): Intelligent center from a strong program.
    
    
17. Jianni Fairbrother (C, Vernon, BCHL): Skilled forward, intriguing.
18. Shaun Gauthier (RW, Kitchener, OHL): Physical winger with good compete.
19. Will Hutchinson (G, London, OHL): Another top goaltending prospect.
20. Colton Roberts (LHD, Vancouver, WHL): Defensive defenseman with good size.
21. Alexander Voinov (LHD, CSKA Moscow, MHL): Russian defenseman with good tools.
22. Jack Laylin (RW, Frolunda HC J20, Sweden): Skilled Swedish forward.
23. Ethan Procyszyn (C, North Bay, OHL): Two-way center.
    
    
24. Joe Arntsen (LHD, Lethbridge, WHL): Big, defensive defenseman.
25. Felix Plouffe (RW, Val-d'Or, QMJHL): Skilled winger with offensive upside.
26. Samu Korpinen (C, Kärpät J20, Finland): Finnish center with good all-around game.
27. Ethan Procyszyn (C, North Bay, OHL): Two-way center with good size.
    
    
28. Nathan Behm (RW, Kamloops, WHL): Big, skilled winger, production dropped after a hot start.
29. Karel Vejmelka (RHD, HC Kometa Brno, Czechia): Right-shot defenseman.
30. Simon Wang (LHD, Örebro J20, Sweden): Mobile defenseman.
31. Alexandros Souliotis (LHD, Ottawa, OHL): Skilled defenseman.
32. Ben Robertson (C, Owen Sound, OHL): Playmaking center.

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Important Caveats for 2025 Rankings:

• Extremely Early: These players have yet to play their draft-eligible seasons. Some have had strong U17 or Hlinka Gretzky performances, but consistency over a full season is paramount.
• Rapid Development: Prospects develop at different rates. Players outside the top 10 now could easily climb into that range with a strong 2024-25 season.
• Visibility: Some players, particularly those in less-covered leagues or who may not get as much international exposure, might be underrated at this stage.
• Injuries: As seen in the 2024 draft (e.g., Catton, Lindstrom), injuries can significantly impact a player's season and draft stock.
• "Pop-up" Prospects: Every year, players emerge seemingly out of nowhere to become high picks based on dominant draft-year performances. This list won't capture those.

This ranking provides a current snapshot based on the available information, but the 2025 draft class will undoubtedly evolve dramatically over the next 12 months.

Nordh? Fernstrom? How many other already drafted prospects are rated here?

 

[quietbruinfan]

Nordh? Fernstrom? How many other already drafted prospects are rated here?

Just like Sweneely and company.

 

[Crash Bandicoot]

Nordh? Fernstrom? How many other already drafted prospects are rated here?

Great question. I looked at the Athletic's and other mock draft picks; many are not even on the AI draft board.

Things that make you go hmmm!

NHL Mock Draft 2025: Predicting all 64 picks of the first two rounds with Pronman and Wheeler

2025 NHL Mock Draft with Lottery Simulator | Tankathon

2025 NHL Mock Draft: Conference Final Full Two-Round Projections - Bleacher Nation

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Why take flack for a totally reasonable take


Here’s a hotter take; the bruins lucked out picking at 7 even when it doesn’t look like it. Because the top 6 is actually really hard to gauge (and they were unlikely to land a top 2 pick) By the time they pick, it’ll be a lot easier to determine from who’s left who is BPA

I wouldn't say they lucked out picking 7th.

May be easier to make a choice there but I'm sure Sweeney and Co. would prefer a difficult choice earlier.

 

[Bad Bruin]

The Combine could play a role in whether a few names enter into the discussion for top 4 - 10.
I see the top 3 as locks but a lot can change after that. A guy like Mrtka, with his size and skill set can have a few GM’s envisioning a potential Victor Hedman. A poor man’s Hedman no doubt but who predicted Charas career?
A lot can happen but we’ll definitely get a chance at a top line player.