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If B's can get Necas with the 7OA they have to do it. If not take one of the original top 6 who falls. If there gone I go with McQueen. Package the two 2nd round picks and target someone who falls, add as needed to get the falling player ..Bear? One of the top D etc
 
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Donny are your doritos spiked?
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ODAAT said:
if that were the case, then you are saying that virtually all of the outlets who produce their rankings are wrong, better buy a lottery ticket
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Actually, I'm saying that virtually all the other outlets that did his projection were right! What you are seeing now is the hype train. He didn't play more games, he just got better PR.

And that's not answering my question. Are people putting emphasis on him running people? He's not necessarily going to get away with that in the NHL. Look at Trent Frederic, former first-round pick. If you are going to pick 7th overall, that has to be a skill pick.
 
CellyHard said:
I think it would be foolish to trade the #7 overall. The draft used to be top six heavy but with the emergence of Brady Martin, Jake O'Brien and even Roger McQueen to an extent, the Bruins have the opportunity to get a heck of a player here. They may not have an opportunity like this for quite some time.

The "we can't waste Pastrnak years" is flawed. You can still build a solid team with all of the additional draft capital we have and free agency.

In 2015 when Sweeney acquired all those picks to "retool" Bergeron was 30, Krejci 29, Marchand 27, Tuuka 28.

How is that different than Pasta 28, Lindholm 30, McAvoy 27, Swayman 26??

The only difference is Sweeney's job is on the line and he doesn't have the time to build a sustainable roster. He needs to make the playoffs this year. That's why we are hearing Pageau instead of Poitras and 7th up for grabs.

I don't buy that narrative at all. We need a little eye for the future and Sweeney could botch this focusing on the now.
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I agree with you, but we need to acknowledge the 4 you brought up from 2015 were better than the 4 you mentioned from right now. They also had Chara and Krug and Debrusk and Pasta for 2019. The 2015 core had 2 bonfide 1cs with Bergy and Krecji, while we don’t even have 1 right now, and our supporting cast is no where near the 2015 core.

It’s not apples to apples. Let’s just hope some of our prospects bloom beyond what we project, and if Sweeney plays his cards perfectly, maybe Pasta has a cup at 32-33 should the panthers turn back into bitch ass little house cats
 
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What The Puck said:
Actually, I'm saying that virtually all the other outlets that did his projection were right! What you are seeing now is the hype train. He didn't play more games, he just got better PR.

And that's not answering my question. Are people putting emphasis on him running people? He's not necessarily going to get away with that in the NHL. Look at Trent Frederic, former first-round pick. If you are going to pick 7th overall, that has to be a skill pick.
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What's the opposite of a recency bias? A latency bias?

I think folks who keep insisting Martin isn't a top10 talent are stuck on that idea because of the mid-season rankings. But a season includes the second half, it includes the playoffs, for some it includes the World Under 18's or the World Championships. A full evaluation includes the combine and interviews.

Why is it ok that Desnoyers' stock rose because of his playoffs but Martin is "artificially high" because of his play in the World Under 18's? I've read scouts say his numbers during the season were deflated because his team lacked talent, and that what you saw at the Worlds is how he'll play with better talent around him.

There are arguments to be made for his talent on talent alone. He's the 12th highest scorer in the draft. If he played as many games as O'Brien he'd have finished with 85 points (Desnoyers finished with 84). He's a year younger than Martone, Hagens and McQueen. He had more successful 1on1 dekes than any player in the OHL. He had more even strength points than O'Brien. He had one of the strongest second halves of the entire draft class...

My point is he's not just a hitter. He may not be as talented offensively as some of the guys in the top6, (I'd say 5 guys are more talented for sure) but he does deserve to be in that 'top10 most talented' conversation. Then add in that rare physical game, that Sam Bennett style of play, and I can see the appeal.
 
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PlayMakers said:
What's the opposite of a recency bias? A latency bias?

I think folks who keep insisting Martin isn't a top10 talent are stuck on that idea because of the mid-season rankings. But a season includes the second half, it includes the playoffs, for some it includes the World Under 18's or the World Championships. A full evaluation includes the combine and interviews.

Why is it ok that Desnoyers' stock rose because of his playoffs but Martin is "artificially high" because of his play in the World Under 18's? I've read scouts say his numbers during the season were deflated because his team lacked talent, and that what you saw at the Worlds is how he'll play with better talent around him.

There are arguments to be made for his talent on talent alone. He's the 12th highest scorer in the draft. If he played as many games as O'Brien he'd have finished with 85 points (Desnoyers finished with 84). He's a year younger than Martone, Hagens and McQueen. He had more successful 1on1 dekes than any player in the OHL. He had more even strength points than O'Brien. He had one of the strongest second halves of the entire draft class...

My point is he's not just a hitter. He may not be as talented offensively as some of the guys in the top6, (I'd say 5 guys are more talented for sure) but he does deserve to be in that 'top10 most talented' conversation. Then add in that rare physical game, that Sam Bennett style of play, and I can see the appeal.
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If bruins draft Martin I’ll be super happy
 
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PlayMakers said:
What's the opposite of a recency bias? A latency bias?

I think folks who keep insisting Martin isn't a top10 talent are stuck on that idea because of the mid-season rankings. But a season includes the second half, it includes the playoffs, for some it includes the World Under 18's or the World Championships. A full evaluation includes the combine and interviews.

Why is it ok that Desnoyers' stock rose because of his playoffs but Martin is "artificially high" because of his play in the World Under 18's? I've read scouts say his numbers during the season were deflated because his team lacked talent, and that what you saw at the Worlds is how he'll play with better talent around him.

There are arguments to be made for his talent on talent alone. He's the 12th highest scorer in the draft. If he played as many games as O'Brien he'd have finished with 85 points (Desnoyers finished with 84). He's a year younger than Martone, Hagens and McQueen. He had more successful 1on1 dekes than any player in the OHL. He had more even strength points than O'Brien. He had one of the strongest second halves of the entire draft class...

My point is he's not just a hitter. He may not be as talented offensively as some of the guys in the top6, (I'd say 5 guys are more talented for sure) but he does deserve to be in that 'top10 most talented' conversation. Then add in that rare physical game, that Sam Bennett style of play, and I can see the appeal.
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Funny thing is, I’d argue Sam Bennett didn’t play in this style until more recently in his career. Defintely wasn’t like that during his draft/development stage. Martin has it already baked in. I’d be curious what players in the past 20 draft years had his type of numbers, style, and scouting reports, but with rankings as high as he does.
 
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ylekot said:
If B's can get Necas with the 7OA they have to do it. If not take one of the original top 6 who falls. If there gone I go with McQueen. Package the two 2nd round picks and target someone who falls, add as needed to get the falling player ..Bear? One of the top D etc
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Save your money until next year when you can get Necas without surrendering any assets.
 
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shelbysdad said:
Swayman had a bad year (as did the whole team) and it's trade the bum

Geekie had a great year and it's a fluke and it's trade him fast....
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The main issue with Geekie is he scored at a 22% clip last season when his career is closer to 13%. That's very likely unsustainable. Maybe he is finally blossoming or maybe you just got his best season he'll ever have and can cash out to receive good assets in return.

Geekie is an RFA so hopefully we can resign him for something reasonable. If not maybe cashing out would be the wiser course of action.
 
For what it's worth, Elite Prospects projects Brady Martin to the Bruins with the #7 overall pick.

His profile reads as a very physical two way center who is a hard hitter.

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Martin's physicality brings a Bruins feel to the position. Is he the right guy?
At least he finished his season strong with a +14 over his last 10 games. The 18 year old forward stands at 6' 187 pounds. He's not a huge kid but he is solidly built.

Is Brady Martin the most physical and violent forward in the 2025 NHL draft or is this just hype?
 
What The Puck said:
Actually, I'm saying that virtually all the other outlets that did his projection were right! What you are seeing now is the hype train. He didn't play more games, he just got better PR.

And that's not answering my question. Are people putting emphasis on him running people? He's not necessarily going to get away with that in the NHL. Look at Trent Frederic, former first-round pick. If you are going to pick 7th overall, that has to be a skill pick.
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Trent Frederic in his draft year: .61 ppg
Brady Martin in his draft year: 1.26 ppg
 
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