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No forward in this draft is even close to Misa, and I'm not insulting any of those players. Misa and Schaefer are the top 2, and then there's a gap to whoever is 3rd, which is somewhat competitive.Who said anything about Porter Martone.
Give me Eklund's play driving or Frondell's shooting at 7. Martin's not in the same caliber offensively as a Misa or Hagans.
And here's the other part about Martin. That game he plays in Junior, you can't play like that in the NHL. The NHL isn't about running around trying to force hits and hit everything in sight. There is more structure and you can't waste all your energy trying to obliterate guys every shift.
I'm not wasting the No.7 pick that is more likely to be the next Cal Clutterbuck than he is the next Sam Bennett. Even Bennett was 24-25 before he really gained his footing at the NHL level. Bruins can't wait that long for this pick to pay dividends.
Connor had a bit of giraffe neck thereKyle Connor looks like Sting.
No one is smiling.
I don't know if this is you, but I think a lot of folks are 'afraid' of Martin because they think people are being duped by the fact he's the most physical player in the draft and that's all they can see.I got a previous post that I said I like the player overall. He deserves to be ranked in the top half of the draft.
I'm just not focused on his skillset with the No.7 pick for the Boston Bruins. Now if it was a team picking that had a bevy of young offensive players and wanted a bit of a different skill-set, take him at 7. If the Bruins were picking back in the 20s like normal and some team wanted Martin at 7, it wouldn't phase me at all.
But for my favorite team, given what I think they need now and moving forward, there will be guys available at 7 that I would prefer over him.
Could be the next Brayden Point.
He’s really not a good passer though. Which is fine, but that’s not a strength of his whatsoever.I don't know if this is you, but I think a lot of folks are 'afraid' of Martin because they think people are being duped by the fact he's the most physical player in the draft and that's all they can see.
Even if you completely remove the physical game from the equation, he still scored similar to Desnoyer and Martone at even strength (and 10 points more than O'Brien in 9 fewer games). He is a good passer, a good shooter, and has good puck skills. He ranks 12th in the draft in points among draft eligibles and almost all of the guys ahead of him have more games played. My point being that it would seem he has top6 upside based on scoring ability alone, no?
He's also young. He's eligible for 2 more WJC's. Martone and Bear, those guys age out this year. I personally prefer the younger guys because I think they have more room to grow/upside.
I do agree with you that the Bruins need a talented center. Number 1 centers are rare and if we don't get one now, then when? But a lot of "experts" have said that after Misa there are no other #1 centers in this draft... I don't know if that's true, but the other thing that's extremely rare in this league, is that throwback top6 power forward. Those guys are impossible to acquire in their prime.
This draft argument is being framed as a choice between a 1st line center vs a 3rd line hitter, but what if the reality is more like a good but non-descript 2nd line center vs a tone setting 2nd line center that everyone in the league will covet?
Again, I have absolutely no idea if that's the case, I'm just trying to see things from as many angles as possible.
I scouted Barzal for five minutes and I knew he was better than Zboril, Jake or Senny.,
He's not a top 7 player in this draft, period. I think that's the issue. O'Brien and Eklund are clearly better prospects. McQueen with a clean bill of health is as well. In my humble opinion of courseI don't know if this is you, but I think a lot of folks are 'afraid' of Martin because they think people are being duped by the fact he's the most physical player in the draft and that's all they can see.
Even if you completely remove the physical game from the equation, he still scored similar to Desnoyer and Martone at even strength (and 10 points more than O'Brien in 9 fewer games). He is a good passer, a good shooter, and has good puck skills. He ranks 12th in the draft in points among draft eligibles and almost all of the guys ahead of him have more games played. My point being that it would seem he has top6 upside based on scoring ability alone, no?
He's also young. He's eligible for 2 more WJC's. Martone and Bear, those guys age out this year. I personally prefer the younger guys because I think they have more room to grow/upside.
I do agree with you that the Bruins need a talented center. Number 1 centers are rare and if we don't get one now, then when? But a lot of "experts" have said that after Misa there are no other #1 centers in this draft... I don't know if that's true, but the other thing that's extremely rare in this league, is that throwback top6 power forward. Those guys are impossible to acquire in their prime.
This draft argument is being framed as a choice between a 1st line center vs a 3rd line hitter, but what if the reality is more like a good but non-descript 2nd line center vs a tone setting 2nd line center that everyone in the league will covet?
Again, I have absolutely no idea if that's the case, I'm just trying to see things from as many angles as possible.
Sam Bennett is increasing Martin value every dayI don't know if this is you, but I think a lot of folks are 'afraid' of Martin because they think people are being duped by the fact he's the most physical player in the draft and that's all they can see.
Even if you completely remove the physical game from the equation, he still scored similar to Desnoyer and Martone at even strength (and 10 points more than O'Brien in 9 fewer games). He is a good passer, a good shooter, and has good puck skills. He ranks 12th in the draft in points among draft eligibles and almost all of the guys ahead of him have more games played. My point being that it would seem he has top6 upside based on scoring ability alone, no?
He's also young. He's eligible for 2 more WJC's. Martone and Bear, those guys age out this year. I personally prefer the younger guys because I think they have more room to grow/upside.
I do agree with you that the Bruins need a talented center. Number 1 centers are rare and if we don't get one now, then when? But a lot of "experts" have said that after Misa there are no other #1 centers in this draft... I don't know if that's true, but the other thing that's extremely rare in this league, is that throwback top6 power forward. Those guys are impossible to acquire in their prime.
This draft argument is being framed as a choice between a 1st line center vs a 3rd line hitter, but what if the reality is more like a good but non-descript 2nd line center vs a tone setting 2nd line center that everyone in the league will covet?
Again, I have absolutely no idea if that's the case, I'm just trying to see things from as many angles as possible.
I actually dismissed Martin as a C in the NHL and high end skills and Woodlief shot me downHe's not a top 7 player in this draft, period. I think that's the issue. O'Brien and Eklund are clearly better prospects. McQueen with a clean bill of health is as well. In my humble opinion of course
When Martin isn't Sam Bennett or Tom Wilson the fan base would flip on him in a minute
When the fanbase realizes he’s only 6 foot even they’ll flip on him.He's not a top 7 player in this draft, period. I think that's the issue. O'Brien and Eklund are clearly better prospects. McQueen with a clean bill of health is as well. In my humble opinion of course
When Martin isn't Sam Bennett or Tom Wilson the fan base would flip on him in a minute
I just see a healthy Mcqueen, Jake and Eklund as way more skilled and thats what I feel the Bruins need an infusion of.I actually dismissed Martin as a C in the NHL and high end skills and Woodlief shot me down
He said he’s absolutely a C and will be able to play their in NHL and ability to have more room and responsibility will suit him very well
He also said even without the physical part he’s very skilled
He’s also young and not raised like veal to play hockey - he’s a quick learner and adapts to fast changing situations
He has seen him a bunch and his scouts and he flipped me
Whatever I said he countered with a great retort I could not disprove
He may be this year Sennecke or McTavish and never reach 7
I take Eklund at 7 though ~ he’s what we need (unless they are sure they are getting Necas)
A healthy MqQueen will be the steal of this draft imo. Tage Thompson level abilityI just see a healthy Mcqueen, Jake and Eklund as way more skilled and thats what I feel the Bruins need an infusion of.
Don't know if or how times this may have been posted but:
One can only hopeMartin has a good chance of going before 7.
You’ve been banging the Eklund drum & think you’re spot on. Kid can become an elite scoring winger which this team desperately needs. Lindholm Zacha are responsible enough centers where you can take swings at the wing.I actually dismissed Martin as a C in the NHL and high end skills and Woodlief shot me down
He said he’s absolutely a C and will be able to play their in NHL and ability to have more room and responsibility will suit him very well
He also said even without the physical part he’s very skilled
He’s also young and not raised like veal to play hockey - he’s a quick learner and adapts to fast changing situations
He has seen him a bunch and his scouts and he flipped me
Whatever I said he countered with a great retort I could not disprove
He may be this year Sennecke or McTavish and never reach 7
I take Eklund at 7 though ~ he’s what we need (unless they are sure they are getting Necas)
Sounds like a bigger, even meaner Pat Verbeek, which has value.I've seen a bunch of comparisons on here of Martin to Cal Clutterbuck but Clutterbuck had 34 points at 17, while Martin had 72. Clutterbuck's only great season in the O was when he rode shotgun with Tavares who scored 72 goals that year. I don't watch the OHL near as much now as when Clutterbuck played but from what I've seen, read and heard Martin is far more talented. Martin could end up like Clutterbuck in the NHL but he's a way better prospect.
I would love to have a medium sized ball of hate who can score.Sounds like a bigger, even meaner Pat Verbeek, which has value.
I would be concerned he might get lost here due to lack of a good center and surrounding talent. This kind of happened to Verbeek in NJ.I would love to have a medium sized ball of hate who can score.
Could happen but he'll be playing center in the NHL.I would be concerned he might get lost here due to lack of a good center and surrounding talent. This kind of happened to Verbeek in NJ.
I’m still on EklundI just see a healthy Mcqueen, Jake and Eklund as way more skilled and thats what I feel the Bruins need an infusion of.