i guess my bottom line is i think it's time to stop overpaying guys just to get them in the door. there's enough in the system now where there isn't any overriding need to go out and pay a premium just to get warm bodies in, particularly if they're paying over market value for long term.
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Wally1112pac
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Signing Mitch Marner this off season will destroy this franchise worse than the Seabrook extension did.
He just doesn't have it come playoff time. You can't win with a 13 million dollar playoff passenger.
He just doesn't have it come playoff time. You can't win with a 13 million dollar playoff passenger.
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It would be a bad decision to sign Marner, but it wouldn't be Seabrook levels of bad.
Seabrook was a corpse on skates.
The Seth Jones contract is that.
Marner will probably be effective in the regular season for the next 6-7 years. But he'll always be a playoff bum.
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You gotta walk before you can run. If marner will sign here, sign him.
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I want us to get Tavares or Nelson for 2-3 years at $7Mish. I don't want to lock anyone in for 7 years until we know what we have. If Rinzel, Bedard, Nazar, Lev and Knight all continue to progress, with $13M in Marner for 7 years we will run into cap issues sooner than later. In 2 years we will have a better idea what is needed and then we hit the Hossa missing piece.
Desnoyers for me in the draft. I think you win with him. Also can't figure out how to vote in the damn poll. haha
Desnoyers for me in the draft. I think you win with him. Also can't figure out how to vote in the damn poll. haha
ColbyChaos
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What would be the vibes/60 be if he signs. It’s hilarious the leafs brought Jumbo and Marleau to mentor the core 4 and that is how they turn out lmao.
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After watching these playoffs I don’t really want Tavares either. No heart or soul. What is he supposed to teach the kids?
ColbyChaos
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We aren’t getting Knies unless you are fine with potentially giving away a top 5 pick in 2026 via offersheet. The fixation people have with him is obscene
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He at least can still score and that will help with the goal issue. I think the teaching kids is overrated. What is Foligno really teaching the kids? Great guy, good quote but what has he won? The ones that want it will find a way to get it done when it matters. You can't learn how to have heart.
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Marner is free asset wise. Rangers/Leafs won't trade Cuylie/Knies and would march any reasonable offersheet.
I don't want MM at $14m aav, but the other guys you mention aren't real options.
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I think very of Foligno too so you’re barking up the wrong tree. I’ll die on the hill that he’s as bad of a captain as he is a player.
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Marner is a playoff failure year in and year out. His game regresses when it matters most. You can't win with a player like that. Your superstars need to raise their game. Look at McDavid, Draisaitl, MacKinnon, Makar and Rantanen just to name a few. Offenses run through them game in and game out in the playoffs.
I can't think of a dynamic duo that have failed more in the playoffs than Matthew's and Marner. Lemieux and Jagr.
Toews and Kane. Crosby and Malkin. Gretzky and Messier. Sakic and Forsberg. Yzerman and Fedorov. All raised their game in the playoff wars. Matthew's and Marner have consistently shown that they do the exact opposite. Why do you want to sign a playoff bum?
Smart GMs kick players like Marner off their team and let some other sucker GM have them. I really hope that doesn't happen to us.
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It is because he is really really good and would be a perfect fit. Might not be likely but who would’ve thought Tkachuk would be available back in 2022? You never know with this kinda stuff. Not the same situation obviously but there will be good forwards available if KD has the balls to go get them
that's right and pertinent. probably should have said "i don't think anyone is makong that offer in 2009 without front loaded contracts" which is mostly the point. hossa would have been harder pressed to make that money otherwise. for marner it seems like it is baked in, at least as far as chicago is concerned.
so still fixated on this point and looking into it more i actually seem to be dead wrong in assuming that money wasn't there. according to this old tsn article (link below) edmonton was reportedly offering hossa $9m in 2008. only reason hossa signed in detroit for $7.45 instead of more was because lidstrom made $7.5.
Red Wings sign Hossa to one-year contract
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ColbyChaos
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Knies is really good with Matthews but so was Hyman neither are worth a top 5 pick in 2026 in the slightest. You’d think he was a PPG player with how he is talked up here and how willing people are willing to throw away our 26 1st rounder for him in hopes of an offersheet. He is a 50pt player who benefitted a ton from playing with Matthews he isn’t a Tkachuk player people are hoping for Le Mao
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It doesn’t have to include 2026 first to get Knies here. RFA’s get traded more than they get offer sheets anyways. It would be a sign and trade type deal
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ColbyChaos
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When it comes through the offersheet route yes it literally does have to include our 2026 first rounder
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So offer sheets are not happening then as that would mitigate our odds of drafting McKenna.
Marner is a no go for me.
Stay the course, its working, our rebuild is on target, keep it going.
No more signing of veterans just to do so.
Audition for jobs for the youngsters time.
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What on earth do you think they could trade for him that wouldn't be an awful deal? Leafs would want something that they think makes them better right now.
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What is the incentive for TOR to trade Knies? Even if they melt down in the P/O's again - Knies has played great and a guy they almost certainly want to build around. What sort of trade offer do you think the Hawks could make that the Leafs would accept? The Leafs would look at Knies like we look at Rinzel (core building block even though playing a different position), except that Knies has already performed at the NHL level.
