2025 26 Roster…too Soon

[Deputy McRizzy]

He's playing too much. He should be down around 12mins/gp, not the 16 he's getting. I'll have zero worry about him if he's in a 4th line role. Again, its been far from a "disaster"

I never used the word disaster, I’m just ready to move on from him and hope they don’t have a single player 35 or older next year.

 

[Hawkaholic]

you said that you bet they love having him in the room, what would suggest that they do

They named him Team Captain lol, they don't just give it to the oldest guy in the room for no reason. You have to be liked and respected by your teammates to even be in the conversation.

he's the captain, he's expected to set the culture, during his tenure that room has been a shitshow, they injected a ton of kids and immediately the team game takes a turn for the better and Pat Boyle says that the room feels completely different...he has no impact on that room

You can only do so much as the captain, I'm not sure where you have heard that the room is a shit show, but the play on the ice was definitely a shit show, but im not sure how you can blame that on Foligno is any way. Maybe its because they shipped out the locker room cancer in Seth, and then brought in the young guys are all gelling together? To say he has no impact must mean you have something that proves this? Or do you just keep saying this type of thing to sound smart?

 

[Hawkaholic]

I never used the word disaster, I’m just ready to move on from him and hope they don’t have a single player 35 or older next year.

Didn't say you did, but a poster did, and that's who I was replying to from the beginning.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I’m done with the Foligno/Martinez types from here on out. I don’t think they serve a purpose other than an idealogical one. We don’t have a winning culture, the vets don’t keep problems (Seth Jones) in check, and they block roster spots for promising young players.

 

[Kevin Musto]

I’m done with the Foligno/Martinez types from here on out. I don’t think they serve a purpose other than an idealogical one. We don’t have a winning culture, the vets don’t keep problems (Seth Jones) in check, and they block roster spots for promising young players.

by all accounts Foligno has been a good leader

who else would do a better job right now, and how?

it's a bottom 5 roster with awful coaching

no captain can turn that around

 

[Hawkaholic]

by all accounts Foligno has been a good leader

who else would do a better job right now, and how?

it's a bottom 5 roster with awful coaching

no captain can turn that around

Exactly, I dont have a problem with people not wanting to add any more of these types of players to the rosters, but to say Foligno has been a disaster, or a problem, is just, wrong.

 

[ChicagoHockeyFan]

The initial rush of the all kids lineup is nice but most likely 3 or 4 of them will need some extra seasoning in Rockford next year.

 

[Kevin Musto]

The initial rush of the all kids lineup is nice but most likely 3 or 4 of them will need some extra seasoning in Rockford next year.

which ones do you think won't stick?

 

[Toews2Bickell]

They named him Team Captain lol, they don't just give it to the oldest guy in the room for no reason. You have to be liked and respected by your teammates to even be in the conversation.


You can only do so much as the captain, I'm not sure where you have heard that the room is a shit show, but the play on the ice was definitely a shit show, but im not sure how you can blame that on Foligno is any way. Maybe its because they shipped out the locker room cancer in Seth, and then brought in the young guys are all gelling together? To say he has no impact must mean you have something that proves this? Or do you just keep saying this type of thing to sound smart?

it was a shit show...numerous reported team meetings, perry contract terminated, seth jones public trade request, team game total dogshit, what young players can you point to that said foligno is a huge part of the culture that werent just saying it because they were asked about him...things didnt turn until the kids were the overwhelming majority in that room and that says a lot, its their team, the days of murphy, foligno types wearing letters cannot end soon enough, get them out of here and get to cap floor however necessary

 

[TLEH]

Unless Rinzel shows up to camp a wreck or out of shape, I think he has the easiest path to make the roster and has shown the most so far (in way less sample size). I hope they trade KK at the draft personally but everyone knows that one lol

 

[Hawkaholic]

it was a shit show...numerous reported team meetings, perry contract terminated, seth jones public trade request, team game total dogshit, what young players can you point to that said foligno is a huge part of the culture that werent just saying it because they were asked about him...things didnt turn until the kids were the overwhelming majority in that room and that says a lot, its their team, the days of murphy, foligno types wearing letters cannot end soon enough, get them out of here and get to cap floor however necessary

Again, how is any of this Folignos fault? Just because he is a good presence and fun to be around in the room, doesn't mean he can prevent other dumbasses from being dumbasses. You are the one saying he has been garbage in the room, you need the evidence to prove that, as all other evidence points to him being a great guy and loved by almost every teammate he has had in his career. He'll be here next year too, because the teammates like him being around. Only a fool would think otherwise.

And regardless of you thinking that the days of his types are gone, doesn't mean his signing was a disaster, because it was far from being a disaster.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

People who want more vet D added are going to very quickly realize just how bad the D market is and how much better Rinzel and Lev are than them already. Like they’re already better than Murphy, and people want to add more Murphys?

Like look at this garbage.

 

[Larmer83]

which ones do you think won't stick?

Assuming average traing camps and pre-season games-

Lev- Yes the tools are there but still needs some work in his own zone. His 4.11 give aways/60 is 2nd worst amonst dmen since the Jones trade. He'll be 20 shortly after next season starts. No need to rush him.

Oliver Moore- He's been a slow started his last two seasons. Is he a center or a wing? I could make the case for both. Either way, why should he follow a different path from Nazar? College->AHL->NHL.

Korch- He's improved in his own zone this season. Needs to get stronger and more aggressive in the zone. He's only 20.

 

[CallMeShaft]

People who want more vet D added are going to very quickly realize just how bad the D market is and how much better Rinzel and Lev are than them already. Like they’re already better than Murphy, and people want to add more Murphys?

View attachment 1008380

Like look at this garbage.

Who the hell said anything about adding veteran D? Defense is the last thing we need at this point.

Adding veteran forwards is another story.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Don't normally link to CHGO content, but they had an interesting podcast today. Steve Peters, who is a former video coach for the Yotes and does some work for ESPN's hockey broadcasts, was on the show today. Talked highly of both Levshunov and Rinzel and says that he doesn't believe either are going to/back to Rockford. Believes both are types you win with, with Levshunov leaning more offense and Rinzel more as an all situations type. Also doesn't think Soderstrom has a spot on the team with those two doing so well, and questions Soderstrom's pace in the NHL.

They talked about David Carle. Apparently Jay has heard rumblings of interest in him from the Hawks, and Steve name drops Mike Sullivan as a good fit if he gets let go by the Pens.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Who the hell said anything about adding veteran D? Defense is the last thing we need at this point.

Adding veteran forwards is another story.

It’s really not. They already have 12 forwards signed for next year who have played games in the NHL. Now sure, that includes Moore, Slaggert and Dach, but we’re full up on shitty vets floating around on the ice.

The only additions welcome to the forward group next year are Mitch Marner or young forwards acquired by trade. Davidson is done with signing bozos who don’t contribute in any meaningful way. I see the names brought up, and there’s significant issues with all of them.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

completely forgot they made a move for Soderstrom, obviously if he comes back its to play in the NHL regularly, which would mean something has to give at RHD, maybe Murphy out for a vet forward this offseason, maybe Lev or Rinzel to Rockford to start next year and they move Murphy mid year and call up whoever was sent down

 

[CallMeShaft]

It’s really not. They already have 12 forwards signed for next year who have played games in the NHL. Now sure, that includes Moore, Slaggert and Dach, but we’re full up on shitty vets floating around on the ice.

The only additions welcome to the forward group next year are Mitch Marner or young forwards acquired by trade. Davidson is done with signing bozos who don’t contribute in any meaningful way. I see the names brought up, and there’s significant issues with all of them.

Ehlers would be a great fallback option provided his contract demands are somewhat reasonable. It doesn't have to be Marner or bust.

Not to mention the possibility of a trade or two.

completely forgot they made a move for Soderstrom, obviously if he comes back its to play in the NHL regularly, which would mean something has to give at RHD, maybe Murphy out for a vet forward, maybe Lev or Rinzel to Rockford to start next year and they move Murphy mid year and call up whoever was sent down

Don't think they move Murphy until near the deadline considering the lack of experience on D, especially that right side. Without him, it'd be a mix of Rinzel, Levshunov, Soderstrom, and Crevier for RHDs. That won't fly with as little experience as all those guys have.

I assume the reasoning behind getting Soderstrom was that they didn't feel confident projecting that BOTH of Levshunov and Rinzel would be playing the entirety of next season in the NHL. It's been a pleasant surprise that they've played as well as they have, but it means that their likely plan of icing one or both of Soderstrom and Crevier on that right side next year wont come to fruition.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Assuming average traing camps and pre-season games-

Lev- Yes the tools are there but still needs some work in his own zone. His 4.11 give aways/60 is 2nd worst amonst dmen since the Jones trade. He'll be 20 shortly after next season starts. No need to rush him.

Oliver Moore- He's been a slow started his last two seasons. Is he a center or a wing? I could make the case for both. Either way, why should he follow a different path from Nazar? College->AHL->NHL.

Korch- He's improved in his own zone this season. Needs to get stronger and more aggressive in the zone. He's only 20.

Korch has no chance of making the roster next season.

Lev will stay with the Hawks. For his age, he's driving good data and he's able to keep up with the physicality of NHL hockey.

Moore could potentially spend more time Rockford. We'll see. He definitely has no issue with the speed of the game. I'd say it depends on how big he can get in the offseason.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Ehlers would be a great fallback option provided his contract demands are somewhat reasonable. It doesn't have to be Marner or bust.

Not to mention the possibility of a trade or two.

Don't think they move Murphy until near the deadline considering the lack of experience on D, especially that right side. Without him, it'd be a mix of Rinzel, Levshunov, Soderstrom, and Crevier for RHDs. That won't fly with as little experience as all those guys have.

I assume the reasoning behind getting Soderstrom was that they didn't feel confident projecting that BOTH of Levshunov and Rinzel would be playing the entirety of next season in the NHL. It's been a pleasant surprise that they've played as well as they have, but it means that their likely plan of icing one or both of Soderstrom and Crevier on that right side next year wont come to fruition.

Ehlers is 100% people stat watching.

He doesn’t play on Scheifele’s line who has to fight through the hardest match ups. And he doesn’t play on Lowry’s line who is tasked with shutting down the other team’s top line. He in fact, gets some of the easiest matchups in the league.

He’d come here and face the hardest competition since he’d no longer be insulated, and likely fall flat on his face. Couple that with he’s not physically engaged, and defensively bad, that’s not someone I’m considering for a 7 year deal at 8+ million.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Send Murphy to Toronto (they love vet D) as part of a sign-and-trade deal with Marner so he can lock up the 8th year.

 

[ChicagoHockeyFan]

which ones do you think won't stick?

Moore and Korch I feel like are definitely going to start in Rockford with Lev as a maybe. Rinzel is here to stay. There's also a chance one of Del Mastro or Kaiser spend some extra time down there to start next year
Edit: Slaggert also could use some extra seasoning

 

[BHawks77]

Korch has no chance of making the roster next season.

You dont know that. If he has a good summer of getting stronger he could suprise next fall. He is already better in d-zone and able to handle opponents infront of the goal and in the corners better than last year.

Vlasic wasnt NHL defender according to you and he surprised a lot of people after spending year in Rockford.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

IDK, there is going to be some pressure on this FO to show what they have in this rebuild and I'm not sure they're going to go with the same plan as this year by forcing kids to go to RFD for half the season...with how well the group is playing right now they might go into next year with the mindset of lets see if they can continue this before changing course

 

[ColbyChaos]

counter argument is you send Schaefer back to junior and you tank again for another high end forward in 26 and spend all your excess assets on the forward position the next few offseasons, this rebuild isnt near done after this draft

Our lineup is mostly kids now already there isn’t any good players to even trade to hurt them in the standings at this point besides maybe Mikheyev and Bert, as the rest of the vets would honestly improve the team with their absence.

Meanwhile the Pens, Bruins, Sharks, Flyers and probably Buffalo will likely be below us in the standings next year. We aren’t getting a 1C at #6 in next years draft and there’s too many questions on Bedard as a C already just to take a supposed franchise D that has a higher chance of being a Jones or an Ekblad tier D than he does being Makar.