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DFC said:
That's not what I mean. Why would they move a 4.5m contract and take a 6, if they are so strapped for cap that they need to move a good player?
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Because it solves a problem long term for them. You spent an extra 1.5M, getting a top 6 centre for long term. Getting Cirelli would make them move Robertson, but they already want to move him.
 
DistantThunderRep said:
Because it solves a problem long term for them. You spent an extra 1.5M, getting a top 6 centre for long term. Getting Cirelli would make them move Robertson, but they already want to move him.
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I thought that was also a contract concern so they were moving one or the other? Marchment looks like a straight cap dump to me, except at positive value. Kind of what we did with Miller.
 
DFC said:
I thought that was also a contract concern so they were moving one or the other? Marchment looks like a straight cap dump to me, except at positive value. Kind of what we did with Miller.
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Exactly, some team is going to get a very good player for a dime on the dollar.
 
DFC said:
I thought that was also a contract concern so they were moving one or the other? Marchment looks like a straight cap dump to me, except at positive value. Kind of what we did with Miller.
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Robertson is going because there is no way to sign him even as an RFA. They can decide to kick that can down the road if he accepts a QO for a year. But the key to why they are looking for money is to sign Granlund. If you replace Granlund with a younger Granlund locked in long term, then the need isn't so bad. If they are looking to trade straight up Cap Dumps. They are moving Dumba + Picks for nothing and it opens up the rest of the money they need. They can run it back with Robertson this year.
 
Sky04 said:
Exactly, some team is going to get a very good player for a dime on the dollar.
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If they move Dumba first, it will for sure be a proper hockey trade for Marchment. They don't need to move Robertson this year, he's an RFA at the end of his deal so even trading his rights at the end of the season hold intrinsic value. Could there be a discount? Maybe, but its not going to be some ridiculous fire sale deal.
 
DistantThunderRep said:
If they move Dumba first, it will for sure be a proper hockey trade for Marchment. They don't need to move Robertson this year, he's an RFA at the end of his deal so even trading his rights at the end of the season hold intrinsic value. Could there be a discount? Maybe, but its not going to be some ridiculous fire sale deal.
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With a player like that, I doubt the discount will even be very big. The market tends to be set by buyers, and you have to think there would be plenty on either Marchment or Robertson, if they go that route.

Gotta think it's a pretty good landing spot for Howard. What Dallas most likely wants here are NHL ready prospects (cheap guys who can play). Howard might not be ideal, because he hasn't proven anything, but at least he has some value to them.
 
AlwaysSunnyInTampa said:
The East has more or less been very, very weak for about 4 years. If you want to give the Panthers credit, do it for taking care of business against the Rangers. That of all series was their litmus test. They have been (in a vacuum) the ONLY legitimate non-state-of-Florida threat the Eastern Conference has produced.

Ottawa DOES suck

So did the Islanders

So did the Penguins

So do the Leafs

The Capitals have made it out of the 2nd round ONCE in Ovechkin's career. Biggest Paper Tigers in history. Beating them is a nothingburger in everyone's credibility.

Am I supposed to be impressed when Carolina beats all of them??

Boston can't beat anyone but the Leafs. I argue Urinatingtree said it best about Boston. Vancouver just out-choked the Bruins who have otherwise spent almost 18 years never getting the job done and may never have won a Cup vs anyone else. Choking their 65 win season was par for the course.

I don't mean to carry on. But THIS is why shutting down the Leafs and Canes doesn't impress me. The weakness of the playoff format, the Leafs being everyone's whipping boy and the weakness of the Metro division in general is rearing its ugly head.

I really only just wanted to talk about the Leafs and Canes man. I'm sorry but beating them doesn't blow my socks off. The Panthers' work vs NYR is a different story and if you want me to tip my cap then at least let me do it there instead of the Cats routinely pummeling the 2 of the biggest nothingburgers in hockey not called the Capitals

The Rangers are just about the only team in about the last 5 or 6 years who had what it took to beat us and Florida but we both found ways to win. I'm not so bitter that game can't recognize game there. I just think the Leafs and Canes aren't the best way to make your point about the Panthers
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Sports are relative. You can't actually suck if everyone else sucks. If Barkov shuts down the entire conference, it's hard to be like "yeah but the conference sucks" instead of admitting that Barkov, and the Panthers, are pretty awesome.
 
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DFC said:
Sports are relative. You can't actually suck if everyone else sucks. If Barkov shuts down the entire conference, it's hard to be like "yeah but the conference sucks" instead of admitting that Barkov, and the Panthers, are pretty awesome.
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100 times out of 100 I would agree with you. But the NHL is the only league where a non-contending team can consistently reach a conference final because of a weak division. Do the 80's Oilers win still all those Cups in a 1 vs 8 with re-seeding? Yeah, probably. Their hallmark was winning (usually with authority) against a VERY good Wales team in the SCF.

But the Campbell Conference itself at the time was so lame. As for the Smythe division, Vancouver and LA always sucked. Winnipeg had like 2 good years ever. Only Calgary really challenged the Oilers in any sort of way and they usually did far more than whatever barely .500 team made it out of the Norris. You can be a magnificent team while having a bad Conference.

Beating McDavid twice and the NYR says more to me that the Panthers are a magnificent team than beating the Leafs and Hurricanes like everyone else. No differently than Gretzky and the boys proved they were the best by punking Boston and Philadelphia

Like dude. There's a reason why we have 6 straight years of Florida representing the East
 
AlwaysSunnyInTampa said:
100 times out of 100 I would agree with you. But the NHL is the only league where a non-contending team can consistently reach a conference final because of a weak division. Do the 80's Oilers win still all those Cups in a 1 vs 8 with re-seeding? Yeah, probably. Their hallmark was winning (usually with authority) against a VERY good Wales team in the SCF.

But the Campbell Conference itself at the time was so lame. As for the Smythe division, Vancouver and LA always sucked. Winnipeg had like 2 good years ever. Only Calgary really challenged the Oilers in any sort of way and they usually did far more than whatever barely .500 team made it out of the Norris. You can be a magnificent team while having a bad Conference.

Beating McDavid twice and the NYR says more to me that the Panthers are a magnificent team than beating the Leafs and Hurricanes like everyone else. No differently than Gretzky and the boys proved they were the best by punking Boston and Philadelphia

Like dude. There's a reason why we have 6 straight years of Florida representing the East
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Because we put together a juggernaut with good cap management and then they did it by acquiring under-appreciated cast offs?

Kucherov is pretty much the same player he's been since 2020. He's one of very few players good enough to get by as more/less a perimeter player in the playoffs. But Barkov wins every Selke award these days for a reason. Kucherov can be shut down. I just think the "omg he hasn't scored in 14 games narrative" is overblown, because pastrnak also didn't score against Florida. Matthews. Draisaitl didn't score in last year's SCF. McDavid didnt score in any of the games when Florida just clamped up. These guys are really, really good at shutting teams down.
 
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DFC said:
Because we put together a juggernaut with good cap management and then they did it by acquiring under-appreciated cast offs?

Kucherov is pretty much the same player he's been since 2020. He's one of very few players good enough to get by as more/less a perimeter player in the playoffs. But Barkov wins every Selke award these days for a reason. Kucherov can be shut down. I just think the "omg he hasn't scored in 14 games narrative" is overblown, because pastrnak also didn't score against Florida. Matthews. Draisaitl didn't score in last year's SCF. McDavid didnt score in any of the games when Florida just clamped up. These guys are really, really good at shutting teams down.
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I wasnt saying otherwise. I really just don't find shutting down Matthews and/or the Hurricanes to be any sort of accomplishment. Just more like the Cats played who was on the schedule. If the Oilers lose like 4-0 tonight there's a good chance I'll say "You're point stands" because that's what a great team does and that proves your point better.
 
What we need is Tanner Jeannot. Imagine if we had all that size in this lineup. We would be winning the cup every year.

But seriously people here have lost their minds. If Point, Kucherov, Hedman and Vasy play at the level they did during our cup runs we would still be competing for more. Teams go as far as their best players take them. Size can help but it’s not one of our biggest problems at all.
 
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