WC: 2024 World Championship general discussion

[MeHateHe]

Is the IIHF website down for everyone, or have all the things I've been saying about Luc Tardif just coming back to haunt me?

 

[SantosHalper]

Goaltender
Lasse Lehtinen

Defense
Jesper Mattila
Vili Saarijärvi
Veli-Matti Vittasmäki

Forwards
Konsta Helenius
Arttu Hyry
Juha Jääskä
Oliver Kapanen
Patrik Puistola

These are Finland's world champs debutants to be.

Some have been close before, but Helenius at 17 is a standout. Likely to play on one of the top lines.

+Rasmus Rissanen

 

[mattihp]

Is the IIHF website down for everyone, or have all the things I've been saying about Luc Tardif just coming back to haunt me?

Works for me

 

[hokejFan]

Could you please tell what is the rink size = O2 Arena (Prague) and Ostravar Aréna

 

[kutka]

1. Sweden
2. US
3. Canada
4. Switzerland
5. Finland
6. Czechia
7. Germany
8. Slovakia

As much as i dislike namejs, i have to agree with him on this as a slovak.
The 6/7/8 positions are arguable but there is no diffirence maker to put us sovereignly in 4/5/6 ranking.
We dont have enough D and G depth.
Overall we are a bit behind the swiss, gernmans,... and a bit ahead of latvia, belarus,...
But, fortunately we have a lot of promising prospects to expand not just our depth but also our high end talent.

 

[kudla]

As much as i dislike namejs, i have to agree with him on this as a slovak.
The 6/7/8 positions are arguable but there is no diffirence maker to put us sovereignly in 4/5/6 ranking.
We dont have enough D and G depth.
Overall we are a bit behind the swiss, gernmans,... and a bit ahead of latvia, belarus,...
But, fortunately we have a lot of promising prospects to expand not just our depth but also our high end talent.

Yep, a surprisingly spot on analysis by Namejs. Though he forgot to add Magic beans into the equation when evaluating our chances against Germany

 

[SantosHalper]

A time of religion and war legends tell the tale of a lion
This beast in the shape of a man with a dream to rule sea and land

And all those who stand in his way die by God and victorious arms
With the righteous that follows him south once more set ashore to war

Legends have taught battles fought this lion has no fear at heart
Lion come forth come from the north, come from the north
Stories of old truth unfold control over Europe he holds
Freedom he'll bring lion and king, lion and king!

Tomorrow it begins, the last dance of lion and king Jukka Jalonen
- Olympic gold 2022
- World championship 2011, 2019 & 2022
- U20 World championship 2016
- Olympic bronze 2010
- World championship silver 2021

Thank you for your service

 

[EK47]

A time of religion and war legends tell the tale of a lion
This beast in the shape of a man with a dream to rule sea and land

And all those who stand in his way die by God and victorious arms
With the righteous that follows him south once more set ashore to war

Legends have taught battles fought this lion has no fear at heart
Lion come forth come from the north, come from the north
Stories of old truth unfold control over Europe he holds
Freedom he'll bring lion and king, lion and king!

Tomorrow it begins, the last dance of lion and king Jukka Jalonen
- Olympic gold 2022
- World championship 2011, 2019 & 2022
- U20 World championship 2016
- Olympic bronze 2010
- World championship silver 2021
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Thank you for your service

A true legend of international hockey. Possibly the best there ever was. The man that solidified the change of the big four to the big five.

 

[wetcoast]

A true legend of international hockey. Possibly the best there ever was. The man that solidified the change of the big four to the big five.

When did the Big 5 happen?

 

[Eye of Ra]

When did the Big 5 happen?

Many years ago. Finland took gold and medals already in the 90s. The big five are Canada, Russia, Finland, Czechia, USA.

 

[Namejs]

Yep, a surprisingly spot on analysis by Namejs. Though he forgot to add Magic beans into the equation when evaluating our chances against Germany

Most of my analyses are spot on. It's just that no one likes being pointed out their team or their prospects are overrated.

So you need to cope and engage in magical thinking. It's not my thing, but I'm not judging - if it makes you feel better.

 

[vlady]

Most of my analyses are spot on. It's just that no one likes being pointed out their team or their prospects are overrated.

So you need to cope and engage in magical thinking. It's not my thing, but I'm not judging - if it makes you feel better.

saying that fans of a certain team overrate their team or players is one thing, saying that prospects from a certain country are overrated by the whole scouting community is another. You seem hell bent on pushing your narrative that for some reason NHL scouts have a love affair with Slovak prospects, which is bullshit.

For the record, I don't have an issue with your power ranking for this tournament.

 

[RKBoy]

saying that fans of a certain team overrate their team or players is one thing, saying that prospects from a certain country are overrated by the whole scouting community is another. You seem hell bent on pushing your narrative that for some reason NHL scouts have a love affair with Slovak prospects, which is bullshit.

For the record, I don't have an issue with your power ranking for this tournament.

at this point i dont know if hes just doing it on purpose or hes that arrogant and delusional, but i think its just for best to everyone not react to him when it comes to this topic... i am here for a short time but i noticed he is going bend the truth or avoinding certain facts just to push his narrative and have his truth.. just let him in his bubble, arguing with individuals like him is pointless.

 

[Eye of Ra]

People are sleeping on Germany. They made finals last year.

saying that fans of a certain team overrate their team or players is one thing, saying that prospects from a certain country are overrated by the whole scouting community is another. You seem hell bent on pushing your narrative that for some reason NHL scouts have a love affair with Slovak prospects, which is bullshit.

For the record, I don't have an issue with your power ranking for this tournament.

He also said Slaf had a bad season in another thread.

 

[Namejs]

saying that fans of a certain team overrate their team or players is one thing, saying that prospects from a certain country are overrated by the whole scouting community is another. You seem hell bent on pushing your narrative that for some reason NHL scouts have a love affair with Slovak prospects, which is bullshit.

For the record, I don't have an issue with your power ranking for this tournament.

Once again, I'm a man of science and evidence-based reasoning. I trust numbers and data.

Once you succumb to your biases and start disrespecting me by bombarding me with all of these completely fabricated misrepresentations of my views, you show me that you are no longer interested in having a civil discussion and are unable to take part in fact-based reasoning if it does not match your current worldview. You seem threatened, closed-minded and instead of listening and interpreting new information or coming up with an evidence-based counter-argument, you go on these personal attacks against me.

Quite frankly, it's a waste of my time. Either keep quiet, or refute my claims -- which apparently should be very easy to do.

 

[Namejs]

He also said Slaf had a bad season in another thread.

Oh, but he did have a bad start to the season. Which is, you know, when I said that. Slafkovsky increased his rate of production by 100% in the tail end of the season, scoring at a 0.8 ppg rate to end the season.

He was producing like a 3rd/4th liner with top 6 minutes early on.

 

[jcbio11]

When did the Big 5 happen?

From my point of view it was relatively recent. There was the Big 7 era and then Slovakia and Czechia fell off and you had the big 5. It's all a bit more blurry now with countries like Switzerland and Germany in the mix too.

 

[Yozhik v tumane]

Yeah, I've never witnessed it in my time and I've been watching this tournament since 1977. They have had a few teams that were well regarded but favourites? no.

Was it 2018 when Patrick Kane was running laps around everyone else? I seem to remember being anxious before the semifinals, and that those would have been the “real finals” of the tournament…

Looking back, heh, I misremember the power balance. Kane was awesome but Team USA lost to Sweden 6-0. Keith Kinkaid allowed 5 goals on 19 shots. Anders Nilsson with 41 saves.

 

[vlady]

Once again, I'm a man of science and evidence-based reasoning. I trust numbers and data.

Once you succumb to your biases and start disrespecting me by bombarding me with all of these completely fabricated misrepresentations of my views, you show me that you are no longer interested in having a civil discussion and are unable to take part in fact-based reasoning if it does not match your current worldview. You seem threatened, closed-minded and instead of listening and interpreting new information or coming up with an evidence-based counter-argument, you go on these personal attacks against me.

Quite frankly, it's a waste of my time. Either keep quiet, or refute my claims -- which apparently should be very easy to do.

personal attacks? I didn't say anything about your person

fabricated misrepresentations? So you deny saying Slovak prospects are overrated by NHL scouts?

refute your claims? We had this discussion several months ago. I do not wish to re-do it. In any case, the burden of proof is on you, not me. Unless you can point me to a study that proves that your opinion is in fact "evidence-based", I shall remain unconvinced and will call you out on your bullshit whenever you post some sort of combination of the words "overrated prospects"

 

[Jakub97]

Sorry guys but I will spoil some details about what's coming :

Swiss team doesn't get past the quarter
USA doesn't get past the Semi
Canada in final

Probable. I don't understand how on earth is the USA struggling to get over SEMI for that long time.

 

[Jakub97]

That 7/8 is arguable. I took into account the head-to-head match-ups and the round robin groups to some extent. The last time Slovakia beat Germany in the Worlds was back in 2013. If you lose the opening game, you're likely finishing 4th in the group with a double digit % chance of not making the play-offs at all.

So it's 50/50 between 7 and 8. I think the game vs. Germany is a coin toss.

Slovakia has more NHLers, but 4 of them have been fill-ins and have played barely any games at all. You guys are really hyped up about the number of NHL players, number of NHL draftees, but as of this point and time you really don't have that many difference makers over there, it's just role players mostly.

You have Slafkovsky, Germany has Peterka, you have Pospisil, they have Sturm. This was a rough season for Tatar and Kahun is roughly comparable. You have slightly deeper D, but then again the Germans are deeper at C. And they definitely have better goaltending.

And if Slovakia finishes 3rd or 4th, they are most likely losing that QF game. Hence 8th.

I am truly right hand to god not hating on you guys. It's just really weird how big of a gap there is between Slovak domestic expectations and the actual power rankings here.

I just looked up the outrights odds and the bookies actually agree with me to the point.

WINNER​

USA
3
3.80

Sweden
3
3.80

Canada
3
3.80

Finland
3
7.30

Czech Republic
3
7.50

Switzerland
3
11.00

Slovakia
3
31.00

Germany
3
31.00

Quite accurate, Namejs. Some of us have high expectations since we play "home".


Tomorrow's game will say a lot!


Also, I wish Latvia good luck. Hopefully, both nations will be able to leave Germany behind.

 

[mattihp]

Has any other team that Finland stamped all players in? Finland can't add anyone else now.

 

[EK47]

Has any other team that Finland stamped all players in? Finland can't add anyone else now.

Sweden just did the same half an hour ago or so.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Nice addition.

 

[Czechboy]

Here are the first installment of the power rankings. I think this is the most 'stacked' the tourney ahs been since 2019. Obviously the Big 3 are on a different level, Finns are sending a similar team to the ones that have one many golds.. but, Germany, Switzerland and Slovakia all stronger to my eye this year as well. I think Latvia is also looking good.

Good luck to all the countries. Let's go Rangers (Necas), Let's go Oilers (Hronek) and let's go Florida (Pasta).