OT: 2024 Washington Commanders thread: change we can believe in!

[ynotcaps]

I don't think the fake slide or fake 'going out of bounds' moves need to be regulated into penalties. Defenders can crush a QB who is in bounds, or who hasn't contacted the ground in a slide, all they want right now, which is fine. They can also just touch the QB down, or non violently push them out of bounds, without drawing unsportsmanlike penalties. Faking going out of bounds has been used for decades, albeit rarely, and defenders who let the QB run right by them are just making bad plays. They can just the same put two hands on the QB and make sure they step out, rather than violently forearm them to the head.

The angst that the article makes about fake slides and fake OOB plays just seems manufactured to me. The rules already cover both scenarios. Players will still run afoul of even the most perfectly worded rules. It's a fast game. Don't need rules slowing it down anymore than they already have.

Exactly. There's simply no way to legislate all risk out of the game. And if somehow it were possible, would the game even be worth watching anymore?

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Exactly. There's simply no way to legislate all risk out of the game. And if somehow it were possible, would the game even be worth watching anymore?

They’re trying….at least with risks they can address.

Feels like they should penalize fake sliding, but detecting it accurately seems dicey.

I don't think the fake slide or fake 'going out of bounds' moves need to be regulated into penalties. Defenders can crush a QB who is in bounds, or who hasn't contacted the ground in a slide, all they want right now, which is fine. They can also just touch the QB down, or non violently push them out of bounds, without drawing unsportsmanlike penalties. Faking going out of bounds has been used for decades, albeit rarely, and defenders who let the QB run right by them are just making bad plays. They can just the same put two hands on the QB and make sure they step out, rather than violently forearm them to the head.

The angst that the article makes about fake slides and fake OOB plays just seems manufactured to me. The rules already cover both scenarios. Players will still run afoul of even the most perfectly worded rules. It's a fast game. Don't need rules slowing it down anymore than they already have.

It’s hardly manufactured….defenders and coaches seem to have a big issue with it. See D Ryans….

 

[kicksavedave]

They’re trying….at least with risks they can address.

Feels like they should penalize fake sliding, but detecting it accurately seems dicey.


It’s hardly manufactured….defenders and coaches seem to have a big issue with it. See D Ryans….

Ryans can GSAD, defending Azizz hit as it it wasn't malicious and dirty, as if it was beyond his control. His opinion on the topic means nothing to me.

My point is that even well written rules can be broken, I think the rules as they are, are sufficient. I agree that enforcing a "fake slide" rule would be dicey, and candidly I want less work in the hands of referees, not more. They already butcher the Roughing the Passer rule, routinely, and lets not get started on Pass Interference.

 

[kicksavedave]

Also, I think the Fake OOB play by Mahomes in the video posted by CCR was just a dense play by the defense. Mahomes barely indicated he was going to go out of bounds, and the defense all pulled up hard like they were afraid to touch him. He saw that response and kept running. The defense instead should have continued towards him with the intent of getting a hand or two on him to ensure he is out of bounds, without the intent of smashing him to bits regardless of his distance to the sideline. In other words, the defense should have made sure he went out of bounds instead of reacting like they just saw a poltergeist or something. Just because Mahomes has better reflexes doesn't mean he's cheating. The defense was still allowed to touch him even if he was actually going out of bounds.

Hence, manufactured outrage.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Also, I think the Fake OOB play by Mahomes in the video posted by CCR was just a dense play by the defense. Mahomes barely indicated he was going to go out of bounds, and the defense all pulled up hard like they were afraid to touch him. He saw that response and kept running. The defense instead should have continued towards him with the intent of getting a hand or two on him to ensure he is out of bounds, without the intent of smashing him to bits regardless of his distance to the sideline. In other words, the defense should have made sure he went out of bounds instead of reacting like they just saw a poltergeist or something. Just because Mahomes has better reflexes doesn't mean he's cheating. The defense was still allowed to touch him even if he was actually going out of bounds.

Hence, manufactured outrage.

I looks like a subtle feint to me…the defender pulled up and flew by waiving lol…sorry I was referring to the one against the Lions…

The OOB play looks more like a stutter step to me…

 

[Chokingdogs]

All this talk of hypothetical QB fake slide trickery reminds me of a gem from way back.

Marino, I believe, had them line up for what everyone thought was gonna be spike play….NOT! Faked it, then tossed a pass for either a 1st or a TD. Brilliance!

 

[John Price]

 

[Jags]

Also, I think the Fake OOB play by Mahomes in the video posted by CCR was just a dense play by the defense. Mahomes barely indicated he was going to go out of bounds, and the defense all pulled up hard like they were afraid to touch him.

They are afraid to touch him. Like @g00n said a while back, there's the rule in the book that you're very focused on, and then there's how it gets called on the field by the refs who are getting pressured from nine different directions to protect the star player.

It's not every ref and it's not all the time, but you know what we're talking about here...

"That's 15 yards for breathing on Patrick Mahomes, another 15 for looking at him funny, plus half the distance to the goal for grazing against his jersey while contorting yourself impossibly in midair to avoid a collision, resulting in a broken collarbone of your own. How dare you!"

Then there's the other end of the play...

"15 yards for pass interference because you looked at the ball as it touched the receiver's hands, another 15 for making him feel anxious by following him all over the field every time the ball is snapped, and half the distance to the goal because we referees like it when games are decided by the calls we make. We like to feel important."




DISCLAIMER: The above post contains dangerous amounts of hyperbole. Its purpose is to illustrate the occasional flimsy roughing and interference calls that must make it frustrating and infuriating to play defense sometimes. It is NOT directed at the offensive players, who have every logical right to take advantage of problematic rules and the even more problematic ways they're sometimes enforced. So don't get your panties in a twist. Neener neener.

 

[John Price]

 

[kicksavedave]

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