OT: 2024 Washington Commanders thread: change we can believe in!

[DWGie26]

That was awesome! Just playing some back yard football in the snow!

 

[g00n]

That was awesome! Just playing some back yard football in the snow!

I honestly don't know why there isn't more lateraling in the game as a regular part of play

 

[Roric]

I honestly don't know why there isn't more lateraling in the game as a regular part of play

Normally when I've seen a team try to lateral it ends in a fumble or loss of yards. Like those goofy end of game kick return type plays

 

[g00n]

Normally when I've seen a team try to lateral it ends in a fumble or loss of yards. Like those goofy end of game kick return type plays

Right, because they don't really practice or work it into the game as much as the other plays.

I bet if some coach came along and really put some smart innovations in, lateral plays could be the new RPO or tush push that other teams have to adjust to.

 

[Neil Racki]

I honestly don't know why there isn't more lateraling in the game as a regular part of play

The back yard down field hook and ladder is coming .. Kelce does a bit off schedule and im surprised Andy Reid doesnt do it intentionally

 

[ynotcaps]

For some reason I'm hearing "Another One Bites The Dust"...

 

[kicksavedave]

For some reason I'm hearing "Another One Bites The Dust"...

Not a 1st rounder, but a Rivera Bust nonetheless.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

If standings hold we would be a 2v7 on the road in Philly for the playoffs.

 

[RedRocking]

Interesting discussion b/n Rex Ryan and Orlovsky this morning about the T-Lawrence hit. They said that QBs should dive at the defenders legs, if they see contact coming. That sliding is only safe in the open field.

With all our consternation about JD sliding, his awkward “fall forward” thing might be what he’s being coached to do. Lamar has done it for years.

 

[Ridley Simon]

If standings hold we would be a 2v7 on the road in Philly for the playoffs.

Good. That’s what I want. I want to take down the Eagles

Interesting discussion b/n Rex Ryan and Orlovsky this morning about the T-Lawrence hit. They said that QBs should dive at the defenders legs, if they see contact coming. That sliding is only safe in the open field.

With all our consternation about JD sliding, his awkward “fall forward” thing might be what he’s being coached to do. Lamar has done it for years.

I would agree 100%. Sliding in football is “giving one’s self up”, which allows predators to attack. Regardless.

Lunging forward can create injuries to the head and shoulders, if done wrong — but that’s not a usual circumstance.

AND you are taking it at someone. Hit or be hit. As it were

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Those 49ers trading for Cousins rumors were fun today. Kyle always did love him

 

[Chokingdogs]

Good. That’s what I want. I want to take down the Eagles


I would agree 100%. Sliding in football is “giving one’s self up”, which allows predators to attack. Regardless.

Lunging forward can create injuries to the head and shoulders, if done wrong — but that’s not a usual circumstance.

AND you are taking it at someone. Hit or be hit. As it were

I was under the impression the NFL, as it pertains to QBs scrambling, made it such that when a QB initiates a “slide” they were in effect giving themselves up? Reason being, so they don’t get clobbered. Did I dream that?

 

[Ridley Simon]

I was under the impression the NFL, as it pertains to QBs scrambling, made it such that when a QB initiates a “slide” they were in effect giving themselves up? Reason being, so they don’t get clobbered. Did I dream that?

Yes. That’s true. BUT, they still get whacked a lot. Usually to the upper torso. Head and all.

Rules aren’t stopping things like what happened to Lawrence. So— be aggressive when “giving up”, and dove at someone’s knees. Make them move/or feel it.

 

[Chokingdogs]

Yes. That’s true. BUT, they still get whacked a lot. Usually to the upper torso. Head and all.

Rules aren’t stopping things like what happened to Lawrence. So— be aggressive when “giving up”, and dove at someone’s knees. Make them move/or feel it.

Okay, I was pretty sure the league did that.

What needs to happen, to curb the clobbering that was supposed to be curbed with the rule, is toss any D player who does it. If a QB is going down, feet or head first, just touch them “down”. Do anything else, 15 yards and early shower. That’ll stop that practice real quick, for all but the dumbest of players.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

To be fair. Mahomes does a fake slide or going out of bounds all the time and it makes it hard to defend.

 

[g00n]

The problem is the slide is not a perfect way to safely broadcast giving yourself up in time to not be hit. Defenders can't always change course fast enough.

A head-first thing doesn't work because it's no different than lunging forward for extra yards. If a QB is off limits lunging forward then he can just get near the line to gain or endzone and lean forward and nobody can touch him.

I've never liked the slide and wouldn't care if it were eliminated. A QB should learn how to take a hit and avoid dangerous situations like every other player is expected to do. FAFO rules apply.

Plus, whatever happened to the crackdown on defenders AND offensive players lowering the helmet to initiate contact? There was an emphasis for a while but now it seems like there are only a handful of fines given out while everyone has gone back to leading with the head.

Combine this with the mandate to get lower than the other guy for leverage during the tackle and you have a formula for disaster when a QB suddenly slides and lowers his head to hip or leg level, where the defender's helmet is now aimed.

Regardless, based on the current rules this hit was extremely vicious and seemed to specifically target TL's head with the forearm. Dude needs a suspension.

 

[Chokingdogs]

To be fair. Mahomes does a fake slide or going out of bounds all the time and it makes it hard to defend.

On the flip side, if a QB fakes giving themselves up, that’s a penalty as well.

 

[RedRocking]

Okay, I was pretty sure the league did that.

What needs to happen, to curb the clobbering that was supposed to be curbed with the rule, is toss any D player who does it. If a QB is going down, feet or head first, just touch them “down”. Do anything else, 15 yards and early shower. That’ll stop that practice real quick, for all but the dumbest of players.

Yea, but most of the time it’s not as vicious/intentional as what Al-Shaair did. It’s just a defender who his lunging and can’t change direction in time. A lot of times you see them fly over top of the QB, and barely miss, or graze an elbow.

It’s already 15 yds if you contact a sliding QB. You don’t even need to touch them, they’re automatically down. Stiffening the penalty to ejection still can’t help guys that have already timed their hit and can’t pull up in time. Maybe it just scares them into not wanting to tackle a running QB at all - but much like Mahomes faking a slide, there’s a point at which the defender can’t win and it’s unfair.

A QB lunging towards the defender’s feet can preempt a hit cause defenders will think twice and pull up because their own legs are exposed.