Player Discussion: 2024 Vezina Winner Connor Hellebuyck

[Jedub]

Agree to disagree. At this rate Helley will finish with a save rate over the entire season below his career average, and I take save% over large data samples as the final say on a goaltender. Have a good morning

Time to change your byline.

 

[objectiveposter]

I dont think its a coincidence that helle is struggling and brossoit is playing like trash at the same time. Jets defense has been brutal. a .930+ save percentage was not sustainable with this defensive play.
With brossoit playing like shit there is really nothing to debate right now...helle has a long term deal and is the #1.
Maybe next year a new backup goalie can challenge helle if hes mediocre...something the jets refused to do last year when brossoit was playing lights out.

It is what it is. Hopefully helle can go on another hot streak and the jets make a coaching change which lights a fire under everyones ass...... but until then we are stuck with the current situation.

 

[PhilJets]

 

[tbcwpg]

The Professional Hockey Writers Association has released their midseason awards. It's traditionally been a good indicator of who will win the awards in June.

Connor Hellebuyck is their Midseason Vezina Award winner.

PHWA announces 2019-20 Midseason Award winners

 

[DRW204]

vs CAR

vs CHI

vs TBL

vs VAN

 

[Duke749]

@DRW204 Are you trying to make us sick?

In all seriousness, a goalie is only going to save so many of those in tight chances.

 

[JetsUK]

Helle gets the PHWA midseason Vezina award:

Vezina Trophy – to the goaltender adjudged to be the best at his position.
1. Connor Hellebuyck, Winnipeg Jets
2. Ben Bishop, Dallas Stars
3. Darcy Kuemper, Arizona Coyotes

Relevant stats:
- 42 games
- 21-16-4 record
- 917 save percentage
- 2.74 GAA.

42 games. Who needs a backup?

 

[Jets4Life]

Hellebuyck has to be a front-runner for the Vezina Trophy. I would hate to think where the Jets would be without him.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

He just isn't good enough..........

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

He should win the Vezina but his SV% might not end up high enough because he plays behind the worst defense in the NHL in terms of giving up shot quality.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Our Magic Number with Helle is 0.929.

When his SV% is < 0.929, our record is 4 Wins, 16 Losses and 2 OTLs. 10 of 44 possible points.

When his SV% is 0.929 or better, our record is 18 Wins, 1 Loss and 3 OTLs. 39 of 44 possible points.

I left out the game against Detroit where he came in for Brossoit for a minute for 2 SOG against, letting in one of them. We won that game 5-1.

I don't think it is easy to find a season where a keeper puts up a 0.929+ SV% in 50% of his games. Pretty clear reason as to why this team is seen as 'overachieving' this year. In general terms when Helle is on, we win. When he isn't, we don't.

 

[tbcwpg]

Our Magic Number with Helle is 0.929.

When his SV% is < 0.929, our record is 4 Wins, 16 Losses and 2 OTLs. 10 of 44 possible points.

When his SV% is 0.929 or better, our record is 18 Wins, 1 Loss and 3 OTLs. 39 of 44 possible points.

I left out the game against Detroit where he came in for Brossoit for a minute for 2 SOG against, letting in one of them. We won that game 5-1.

I don't think it is easy to find a season where a keeper puts up a 0.929+ SV% in 50% of his games. Pretty clear reason as to why this team is seen as 'overachieving' this year. In general terms when Helle is on, we win. When he isn't, we don't.

You just described most goalies stats in individual games.

When the goalie is good, the team wins the game more often than not. When he's bad, they don't. Not groundbreaking stuff.

 

[ps241]

Our Magic Number with Helle is 0.929.

When his SV% is < 0.929, our record is 4 Wins, 16 Losses and 2 OTLs. 10 of 44 possible points.

When his SV% is 0.929 or better, our record is 18 Wins, 1 Loss and 3 OTLs. 39 of 44 possible points.

I left out the game against Detroit where he came in for Brossoit for a minute for 2 SOG against, letting in one of them. We won that game 5-1.

I don't think it is easy to find a season where a keeper puts up a 0.929+ SV% in 50% of his games. Pretty clear reason as to why this team is seen as 'overachieving' this year. In general terms when Helle is on, we win. When he isn't, we don't.

I would rephrase it slightly by saying when Helle is the best in the league vs expected goals we win when he is mortal we struggle

 

[Gm0ney]

Our Magic Number with Helle is 0.929.

When his SV% is < 0.929, our record is 4 Wins, 16 Losses and 2 OTLs. 10 of 44 possible points.

When his SV% is 0.929 or better, our record is 18 Wins, 1 Loss and 3 OTLs. 39 of 44 possible points.

I left out the game against Detroit where he came in for Brossoit for a minute for 2 SOG against, letting in one of them. We won that game 5-1.

I don't think it is easy to find a season where a keeper puts up a 0.929+ SV% in 50% of his games. Pretty clear reason as to why this team is seen as 'overachieving' this year. In general terms when Helle is on, we win. When he isn't, we don't.

Hellebuyck's game-by-game SV% is very hot and cold. He's .920 or better in 26 games, below .900 in 16 games, but he's only been between .900 and .920 in 3 games.

He either shuts the door or shits the bed.

 

[Teemusalami204]

So far helly has a bad year and then a good year. He rotates. Hopefully he breaks that cycle next year when and if we re tool.

If helly played like this last year we would of won the central and most likely got out of the first round

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Hellebuyck's game-by-game SV% is very hot and cold. He's .920 or better in 26 games, below .900 in 16 games, but he's only been between .900 and .920 in 3 games.

He either shuts the door or ****s the bed.

I've noticed that about Helly for a long time, and it's why he doesn't give me any sense of confidence about this team's future. His good games are just increasing the odds that Chevy and Maurice get extended and the nightmare of mediocrity will continue unabated for years to come. Helly is literally killing our chances of winning a Cup by masking the underlying weaknesses of the players and coaches.

When you get right down to it, our "just miss" year really came down to two dumb luck picks. Helly wan't even on our radar when our scout went down to check out the goalie for the Bugtussle Beavers or whatever the hell they were, and Helly caught his eye. And they still left him till the 5th round so maybe more of a "meh, it's getting late maybe we'll take a chance on a goalie" than "wow, this kid could be really something". And the other lucky pick was Laine. Let's be real, getting him through the lottery can't be considered anything beyond luck. So, take away a near Vezina performance and a career year for a kid with an unsustainably high shooting percentage still catching the league a bit off guard, and where would the team have been in 2017-18? Probably outside looking in or one and done.

 

[Jets4Life]

So far helly has a bad year and then a good year. He rotates. Hopefully he breaks that cycle next year when and if we re tool.

If helly played like this last year we would of won the central and most likely got out of the first round

I am not sure why this false narrative keeps getting pushed by certain people. The only year Hellebuyck was below NHL average was 2016-17. In 2015-16, he was above average. In 2017-18, he was Vezina caliber. In 2018-19, he was above average. This season, he is playing like a Vezina Trophy winner, in spite of a sub-par blue line.

Even in 2016-17, he really was not that bad, just mediocre.

Not sure if it is a Canadian thing or not, but it seems there is no pleasing certain people. We could have Connor McDavid putting up record numbers, and certain posters would be critical of him not doing it from his rookie season.

 

[Duke749]

Hellebuyck's game-by-game SV% is very hot and cold. He's .920 or better in 26 games, below .900 in 16 games, but he's only been between .900 and .920 in 3 games.

He either shuts the door or ****s the bed.

Would the difference in a lot of those games not be giving up one extra goal or not? Like what’s the difference in SV% between giving up 2 goals on 29 shots or 3 on 29 shots?

 

[Jets4Life]

Would the difference in a lot of those games not be giving up one extra goal or not? Like what’s the difference in SV% between giving up 2 goals on 29 shots or 3 on 29 shots?

2 goals on 29 shots = 0.931%
3 goals on 29 shots = 0.897%

 

[Duke749]

2 goals on 29 shots = 0.931%
3 goals on 29 shots = 0.897%

So we’re splitting hairs to the extreme most likely then?

 

[wasup]

I am not sure why this false narrative keeps getting pushed by certain people. The only year Hellebuyck was below NHL average was 2016-17. In 2015-16, he was above average. In 2017-18, he was Vezina caliber. In 2018-19, he was above average. This season, he is playing like a Vezina Trophy winner, in spite of a sub-par blue line.

Even in 2016-17, he really was not that bad, just mediocre.

Not sure if it is a Canadian thing or not, but it seems there is no pleasing certain people. We could have Connor McDavid putting up record numbers, and certain posters would be critical of him not doing it from his rookie season.

It's a HF board thing . You win , everything is roses even if you did not play great . If you get even a lucky goal and play below average you are great , Certain players can't do anything right no matter what and others can't do anything wrong . Make 20 saves but let one crappy one in you suck . Analytics tell the whole story if it's in agreement the post you are making . Our coach is crappy and the GM is a moron . I'm right you are wrong ,your an idiot , you know , HF boards . lol

 

[Gm0ney]

So we’re splitting hairs to the extreme most likely then?

The Jets are averaging 33 shots against per game.

2 GA = .939
3 GA = .909
4 GA = .878

We're getting a lot of 2-or-less GA games (24), and a bunch of 4-or-more GA games (14) and few in between (7). Hellebuyck runs hot & cold...

 

[White Out 902]

He seems to be rebounding nicely from a really awful stretch.

I want playoffs and to be competitive. Happy to be proven wrong. Well see how February continues and what March and April bring.

 

[tbcwpg]

I've noticed that about Helly for a long time, and it's why he doesn't give me any sense of confidence about this team's future. His good games are just increasing the odds that Chevy and Maurice get extended and the nightmare of mediocrity will continue unabated for years to come. Helly is literally killing our chances of winning a Cup by masking the underlying weaknesses of the players and coaches.

When you get right down to it, our "just miss" year really came down to two dumb luck picks. Helly wan't even on our radar when our scout went down to check out the goalie for the Bugtussle Beavers or whatever the hell they were, and Helly caught his eye. And they still left him till the 5th round so maybe more of a "meh, it's getting late maybe we'll take a chance on a goalie" than "wow, this kid could be really something". And the other lucky pick was Laine. Let's be real, getting him through the lottery can't be considered anything beyond luck. So, take away a near Vezina performance and a career year for a kid with an unsustainably high shooting percentage still catching the league a bit off guard, and where would the team have been in 2017-18? Probably outside looking in or one and done.

A) So Hellebuyck being good is ruining the team? Don't buy that.
B) Most goalies aren't taken in the first rounds.

Pessimism for pessimism's sake.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

It's a HF board thing . You win , everything is roses even if you did not play great . If you get even a lucky goal and play below average you are great , Certain players can't do anything right no matter what and others can't do anything wrong . Make 20 saves but let one crappy one in you suck . Analytics tell the whole story if it's in agreement the post you are making . Our coach is crappy and the GM is a moron . I'm right you are wrong ,your an idiot , you know , HF boards . lol

Well, no that's not HF Boards at all. I shouldn't say you're an idiot, because that would contravene the "attack the post, not the poster" rule here. Instead, I should say this post is idiotic or to use the more common descriptor, asinine.