Player Discussion: 2024 Vezina Finalist Connor Hellebuyck

[surixon]

How about...

Bring in all the psedo science stuff

How about...

He'll bring in this guy, it couldn't hurt :p

 

[portamoral]

You think Boston would consider a Hellebuyck for Swayman deal? Money is almost the same, and Swayman is younger of the 2.

ya i bet boston would swap their terrible goalie for a 3 time and back to back reigning vezina winner and league MVP. really makes you think though

great post

 

[Mud Turtle]

Not that it’s ever going to happen, but to entertain the trade talk just for a second.
This is such a strange situation to be in. We have a superstar goaltender who’s about to win his third Vezina, maybe even a Hart Trophy, yet his trade value is probably at the lowest point in years.
Anyone would be skidish trading for him right now.
Such a weird situation.

 

[WolfgangPuck]

If we are thinking of trading Hellebuyck, who would we trade for?

Knee jerk reaction
I think you ought to change your hboard name

Why trade Helle ?
I would consider mental coach for Helle and looking for adequate starting backup when his confidence is low.
Relying on Helle for every game in the playoffs is not working

 

[Eyeseeing]

Knee jerk reaction
I think you ought to change your hboard name

Why trade Helle ?
I would consider mental coach for Helle and looking for adequate starting backup when his confidence is low.
Relying on Helle for every game in the playoffs is not working

But Wade is the goalie whisperer.
Let’s start with that first.
Trading him is a bad idea

 

[Buffdog]

But Wade is the goalie whisperer.
Let’s start with that first.
Trading him is a bad idea

I think that both Wade and Comrie will have jobs with the Jets for as long as Helle wants them to

 

[Hank Chinaski]

I think that both Wade and Comrie will have jobs with the Jets for as long as Helle wants them to

Flaherty, yeah I can understand Helle having some pull.

Jets should be looking for a goalie that can be counted on for 25+ starts, not a best bud and playmate for Helle. If he doesn’t like it, tough titties.

 

[Gnova]

People talking about trading away a goalie with 52 wins this season....

 

[Jet]

Yes, Hellebuyck being nominated for a second consecutive Vezina and Hart trophy is massively overstating his role in this team's record, sure.

I think the team might sneak into a wild card with an average goaltender, maybe. I don't think the team in front is good enough to go very far.

Besides, what are you going to get for Hellebuyck at this point? You're selling for pennies on the dollar.

Comrie has been fine in relief in a couple games that were way out of reach by the time he came in.

You don't think that a team like Edmonton wouldn't open the vault for Hellebuyck?

Everyone's going to think they can fix him.

You're dead wrong on this

 

[Jet]

People talking about trading away a goalie with 52 wins this season....

And? I guess if you're just in it for the regular season fill your boots.

 

[Jet]

Helle follows up last year's performance with another all-time bad one.

since 1968 - obviously this YTD and could change after tomorrow - of goalie's with 10+ gp in a single playoff year, he currently has the 2nd worst sv% of all-time

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How are people missing this?

Are the Jets happy with regular season success or do they want something more?

 

[surixon]

You don't think that a team like Edmonton wouldn't open the vault for Hellebuyck?

Everyone's going to think they can fix him.

You're dead wrong on this

Do they even have anyone worth while to trade for him any longer? They lost their top trade assets that we'd want to St. Louis via offsersheet last year.

 

[Jet]

Do they even have anyone worth while to trade for him any longer? They lost their top trade assets that we'd want to St. Louis via offsersheet last year.

Yeah, maybe. Edmonton might have been a bad example but maybe a team like Buffalo who's desperate to make the playoffs?

 

[Jet]

Knee jerk reaction
I think you ought to change your hboard name

Why trade Helle ?
I would consider mental coach for Helle and looking for adequate starting backup when his confidence is low.
Relying on Helle for every game in the playoffs is not working

Or, any game.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Hellebucyk is a great goalie full stop.
His playoff performances are so disappointing that some ignore just how good he is.
I really hope he gets this dragon slayed

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Helle follows up last year's performance with another all-time bad one.

since 1968 - obviously this YTD and could change after tomorrow - of goalie's with 10+ gp in a single playoff year, he currently has the 2nd worst sv% of all-time

View attachment 1035789

Oof. His “competition” on this chart, a bunch of goalies from an era where 0.890 was considered elite. Most guys couldn’t do a half butterfly and smoked during intermissions.

Adjusting for era versus league average sv%, he’s in a different stratosphere of bad.

 

[surixon]

Oof. His “competition” on this chart, a bunch of goalies from an era where 0.890 was considered elite. Most guys couldn’t do a half butterfly and smoked during intermissions.

Adjusting for era versus league average, he’s in a different stratosphere of bad.

Can you post the chart

 

[Hank Chinaski]

You don't think that a team like Edmonton wouldn't open the vault for Hellebuyck?

Everyone's going to think they can fix him.

You're dead wrong on this

The trade returns on goalies are usually pretty underwhelming. I’m struggling to think of a single trade where a team “opened the vault” for a goalie. NMC and 6 more years at $8.5M AAV are also going to make it difficult to get a big haul.

I’d much prefer that they go out and get a buy low option with some starting experience - Korpisalo from the Bruins, maybe? - and stick to a load management plan between the pipes.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Don't get the kneejerk reaction to run him out of town and trade him for pennies on the dollar. He's gonna be a career jet and our first home grown hall of famer.

Get him a load management plan for next season, have him practice saves up high all summer, and run it back imo.

I'm also not counting out the jets storming back and winning this series btw, if they take game 5 all the pressure is on the stars at home in game 6.

 

[Gnova]

And? I guess if you're just in it for the regular season fill your boots.

I'm in it for the entire year.

Winning during the regular season is enjoyable to watch as well.

Blaming the Jets woes on a goalie when the team isn't scoring enough to deserve to win is pointless

 

[cbcwpg]

People keep saying this... Jets just aren't scoring enough...If the Jets would just score more we would win these games.

The number of goals the Jets needed to win the playoff games they lost:

2025: 8, 6, 6, 4, 6, 4
2024: 6, 7, 6, 7
2023: 6, 6, 5, 5

The Jets aren't losing because they aren't scoring enough. No one other than the 1980s Oilers could score enough to win most of these games. The Jets are losing because they are giving up too many goals leading to insurmountable leads to overcome.

I give the Jets credit. They don't screw around losing playoff games 1-0 or 2-1. When they lose , they go all in.

 

[snowkiddin]

Can you post the chart

 

[HellebuyckOurSaviour]

Knee jerk reaction
I think you ought to change your hboard name

Why trade Helle ?
I would consider mental coach for Helle and looking for adequate starting backup when his confidence is low.
Relying on Helle for every game in the playoffs is not working

No I totally get it, just so frustrating as you can see my hfboard name. Love Helle and it's been an amazing ride finally having an elite goalie for all these years. Just when playoffs come around, for whatever reason it's like a 180. Something has to give but sucks when big name free agents don't want to come here, especially on defense.

 

[Jets4Life]

I honestly think the poor play of Hellebuyck this post season is having a ripple effect on the entire team. The power play is atrocious, and our big guns have not really stepped up to the plate. One former goalie wrote that if he was in pain, or not 100%, he would never tell his teammates, since they would adjust their game to try and protect him from shots, deviating from their game plan slightly. With Helle letting in so many questionable goals, it seems to take the sails out of the entire roster.

If we look at how the Jets played with Comrie in net, it's a big clue as to how things were going to go down, if Hellebuyck was not lights out, as he had been all season. Comrie, for his faults, played like a very capable backup and finished well. However, his record is far from ideal (9-10-1). I noticed that when Comrie was in net, the Jets just did not click. They never scored the way they did when Hellebuyck was in net. They seemed less confident as a whole.

The meltdown of Helly, and the inability of the Jets players to compensate for it, may indicate the team has some underlying problems. Possibly they are just mentally weak without a strong Helly. One has to wonder when a Presidents Trophy club cannot seen to win with their backup regular season goalie, despite Comrie posting a 0.914%.

 

[Jets4Life]

The chart does not take into consideration that all goalies other than Hellebuyck were playing in a high scoring era of the 70s-80s, where goalies averaged 0.875%. Today, anything below 0.910 is considered mediocre.