Rumor: 2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Thread: Post Deadline

[Balthazar]

Oh I know it'll cost some other asset, I assumed that was a given.

We don't have enough assets left for that kind of stuff. If we trade him it will be a "our problem for your problem" kind of trade, likely for a player with similar cap hit, so it won't open up cap space for Nelson or others.

Ideally there's RD on a bad contract out there that they'd swap for him. Some guy with term too.

 

[dahrougem2]

Lehkonen retires in Colorado. That is all I want.

 

[Pokecheque]

Yeah I'm not down with Lehky going anywhere. Dude is way too valuable.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Josh Manson's contract is also front loaded, so he'll only have $3.5m left in the last year. And $1m of that is in a July 1st signing bonus. So if he's traded after July 1st his new team will only have to pay $2.5m in real salary, with a $4.5m caphit. That'll probably be pretty attractive to cap floor teams, beyond the fact that he's a RHD with intangibles and just one year of term.

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This is very smart. Well done by Cmac.

 

[BobRossColton]

We don't have enough assets left for that kind of stuff. If we trade him it will be a "our problem for your problem" kind of trade, likely for a player with similar cap hit, so it won't open up cap space for Nelson or others.

Ideally there's RD on a bad contract out there that they'd swap for him. Some guy with term too.

Sounds like Risto... With maybe a touch of retention...

Or an asset that we get in return for Manson...

 

[Balthazar]

Yeah I'm not down with Lehky going anywhere. Dude is way too valuable.

Who's the most valuable for this team?

Considering contracts and all:

Tier 1: Mack, Makar
Tier 2: Lehky, Toews
Tier 3: Necas, Blackwood

Unrankable: Nuke (unreliable), Landy (has been injured for 3 years).

 

[BobRossColton]

Miles Wood for Scott Mayfield...

 

[Richard88]

I mean I would assume there'd be retention in a Murphy deal as he'd be on an expiring contract.

As for who I'd move before Girard in the scenario above. I wouldn't re sign Lindgren at 5mil per year, his body will spontaneously combust at some point with how he plays. I'd also move Manson before Girard as well and maybe Coyle... But not 100% sure on that. I get that Manson fills a role we need, but the dude has played only 291 games out a possible 549 games over the last 6 7/8 seasons. Like... yes he fits a role but does he really fill that role if he's only available for ~50% of games? And he's also just been objectively bad this year. I really don't think it'd be terribly hard to replace Manson at his current level right now in the summer or at the deadline. It'd be expensive, but so would replacing Girard.

Toews/Makar/Lindgren/Manson/Malinski is a decent d core no doubt, but that much loss in the PMD department would be not be great if Bednar is still the coach. We've seen what happens to this team when there's a lack of PMD and transition ability and it isn't pretty.

The Avs can probably only afford maximum $4.5m for Lindgren, so I wouldn't worry about $5m.

He's played a lot of hockey in 7 seasons, including 2 deep playoff runs, and missed a small handful of games each season, but he still only just turned 26 so there's probably a few good seasons left in him.

I'd be surprised if the Avs don't make an attempt to re-sign him. He's exactly the sort of player they need. Guys who can skate and play physical are tough to find, and he also has the playoff experience the front office values highly.

 

[Richard88]

Miles Wood for Scott Mayfield...

Mayfield is already 32 and is signed until 2030, which isn't great. He also has a full NTC until 2027 which would likely block any move.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Buying Wood out means he'll be on the books for 8 years. Not happening.

Some team will see him as useful but certainly seems like a negative value contract at this point. Though with the cap going up who knows $2.5M could be the going rate for a veteran bottom six player soon.

 

[shadow1]

This is the best cap situation the Avs have been in for a long time. That $8.7M includes Landeskog playing, so potentially add $7M in LTIR space.

My ask as a fan is simple: invest in the top of the roster. Make sure the top-6 forwards and top-4 defense are set and don't get cute. Don't trade Manson, expecting Malinski to replace him, but keep Colton's big salary on the 3rd line wing; don't re-sign Lindgren, keep Manson, and then lose Nelson as a result; and so on. Adding bottom-6 forwards/bottom-pairing defense is easy at the deadline.

 

[Richard88]

Some team will see him as useful but certainly seems like a negative value contract at this point. Though with the cap going up who knows $2.5M could be the going rate for a veteran bottom six player soon.

Mathieu Olivier getting $3m x 6 years might help put Miles Wood $2.5m x 4 years in a better light.

Jake Evans $2.85m x 4 years (widely regarded as a hometown discount) does the opposite.

Hopefully there's a GM out there who believes Wood can turn it around. His front-loaded contract means that his remaining contract/salary is essentially $2.125m x 4 years (i.e. $2.5m year 1, then $2m the last 3 years).

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Rangers fans said Lindgren, the guy on their top pairing playing with Fox, was the worst player in the National Hockey League.

Why would we ever want to re-sign such a trainwreck for $4m-$5m per season!?!?

 

[Pokecheque]

Miles Wood for Scott Mayfield...

The f*** they want that guy for...?

 

[Chiarelli]

Mathieu Olivier getting $3m x 6 years might help put Miles Wood $2.5m x 4 years in a better light.

Jake Evans $2.85m x 4 years (widely regarded as a hometown discount) does the opposite.

Hopefully there's a GM out there who believes Wood can turn it around. His front-loaded contract means that his remaining contract/salary is essentially $2.125m x 4 years (i.e. $2.5m year 1, then $2m the last 3 years).

lol Olivier is a unicorn. Toughest guy in the league and he’s gonna score 20 goals. Tom Wilson is the only other comparable. Miles Wood is not.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Mathieu Olivier getting $3m x 6 years might help put Miles Wood $2.5m x 4 years in a better light.

Jake Evans $2.85m x 4 years (widely regarded as a hometown discount) does the opposite.

Hopefully there's a GM out there who believes Wood can turn it around. His front-loaded contract means that his remaining contract/salary is essentially $2.125m x 4 years (i.e. $2.5m year 1, then $2m the last 3 years).

lol Olivier is a unicorn. Toughest guy in the league and he’s gonna score 20 goals. Tom Wilson is the only other comparable. Miles Wood is not.

Yea, Olivier isn't a great comparable. He's going to be a 20G enforcer, and unlike a lot of enforcers that scored a bunch previously, he's not getting carried by a superstar best friend. If Miles Wood was anywhere as effective as Olivier I wouldn't be complaining about him

 

[Richard88]

This is the best cap situation the Avs have been in for a long time. That $8.7M includes Landeskog playing, so potentially add $7M in LTIR space.

My ask as a fan is simple: invest in the top of the roster. Make sure the top-6 forwards and top-4 defense are set and don't get cute. Don't trade Manson, expecting Malinski to replace him, but keep Colton's big salary on the 3rd line wing; don't re-sign Lindgren, keep Manson, and then lose Nelson as a result; and so on. Adding bottom-6 forwards/bottom-pairing defense is easy at the deadline.

With Landeskog on LTIR and the signings below (everyone except Kiviranta) the roster is still $1.3m over the cap ceiling, and only has 21 guys (as shown below).

Nelson $7m
Drouin $4m
Lindgren $4.5m
Malinski $1.5m

So even in that case you're forced to lose one of Drouin/Lindgren/Colton/Manson unless you move Wood.

Moving Wood's $2.5m and replacing him with someone at $800k (eg. Vesey) would give them a roster of 21 guys and $400k capspace. A rosterof just 21 players isn't ideal though so you'd have to find an extra ~$400k somewhere to be able to add a 13th forward at ~$800k and thus have a 22 man roster.

 

[Richard88]

Rangers fans said Lindgren, the guy on their top pairing playing with Fox, was the worst player in the National Hockey League.

Why would we ever want to re-sign such a trainwreck for $4m-$5m per season!?!?

Rangers fans are always right don't ya know

 

[Chiarelli]

Anyone else not that impressed by Drouin? I’m sure he stays but I just dunno, he seems like a luxury we can’t afford even at a discounted cap hit.

 

[Richard88]

lol Olivier is a unicorn. Toughest guy in the league and he’s gonna score 20 goals. Tom Wilson is the only other comparable. Miles Wood is not.

Yea, Olivier isn't a great comparable. He's going to be a 20G enforcer, and unlike a lot of enforcers that scored a bunch previously, he's not getting carried by a superstar best friend. If Miles Wood was anywhere as effective as Olivier I wouldn't be complaining about him

Good points. I was just thinking of what recent contracts had been signed with bottom 6 forwards and Olivier and Evans were the two that came to mind in Wood's price range. Obviously both those contracts are better value than Wood's.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

With everyone who is signed for next year its currently at about $8.7M in cap space assuming Landy is gtg:
xxxxx/MacK/Nuke
Lehky/xxxxx/Necas
Landy/Coyle/Colton
Wood/Drury/LOC
Kelly

Toews/Makar
Girard/Manson
Middleton/xxxx

Blackwood/Wedgewood

You let Vesey and Kiviranta walk and you look to trade Wood as Kelly brings more to the table for a fraction of the cost. You then have $10.2M. If Nelson is the priority the floor is 5x$7M likely by some of the reports. Would he come down on AAV for additional term, would the Avs even be willing to do this? If its $7M there likely isnt room for Drouin so the choice is really him or Colton in the forward group with an overabundance of LWs, the choice for me is easy you trade Colton and sign Drouin. So if its similar money in and out the Avs are still left with about $3.2M, next priority for me is Malinski RFA contract but they could put that off until they figure out what to do with the defensive bottom 4.

Likely cant get Lindgren at $3.2 so something has to give which is Manson, Girard or let Lindgren walk. Even with Manson's injury and not being quite as effective as years past for me he would come first out if the 3 just with the lack of quality RD which could have been different if they had managed to get Carlo but here we are. I like both Girard and Lindgren but it just feels like we might need what Lindgren brings a little more and can get assets for Girard. I also really like the reports that the Avs were looking at Helleson which means they know they need to plan for life after Manson.

I also like bumping LOC up to third line and leaving the 4RW open for someone to catch on in camp like Foudy, Dufour, Stienburg, Olausson, Polin or whoever impresses. And if necessary a bottom or mid 6 RW can be pursued at the deadline.

 

[Balthazar]

Olivier and Wood got almost identical contracts considering that Wood makes 500k less but signed 2 years earlier when the cap was lower.

I don't like Olivier's contract either but he's a lot more valuable to his team than Wood.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Rangers fans said Lindgren, the guy on their top pairing playing with Fox, was the worst player in the National Hockey League.

Why would we ever want to re-sign such a trainwreck for $4m-$5m per season!?!?

Also proving to be a good example of why we shouldn't be so quick to judge a trade. Lots of folks thought that trade was horrific for us when looking at Lindgrens numbers but it's not surprising on a better team and a more appropriate role, he looks better.

 

[Richard88]

With everyone who is signed for next year its currently at about $8.7M in cap space assuming Landy is gtg:
xxxxx/MacK/Nuke
Lehky/xxxxx/Necas
Landy/Coyle/Colton
Wood/Drury/LOC
Kelly

Toews/Makar
Girard/Manson
Middleton/xxxx

Blackwood/Wedgewood

You let Vesey and Kiviranta walk and you look to trade Wood as Kelly brings more to the table for a fraction of the cost. You then have $10.2M. If Nelson is the priority the floor is 5x$7M likely by some of the reports. Would he come down on AAV for additional term, would the Avs even be willing to do this? If its $7M there likely isnt room for Drouin so the choice is really him or Colton in the forward group with an overabundance of LWs, the choice for me is easy you trade Colton and sign Drouin. So if its similar money in and out the Avs are still left with about $3.2M, next priority for me is Malinski RFA contract but they could put that off until they figure out what to do with the defensive bottom 4.

Likely cant get Lindgren at $3.2 so something has to give which is Manson, Girard or let Lindgren walk. Even with Manson's injury and not being quite as effective as years past for me he would come first out if the 3 just with the lack of quality RD which could have been different if they had managed to get Carlo but here we are. I like both Girard and Lindgren but it just feels like we might need what Lindgren brings a little more and can get assets for Girard. I also really like the reports that the Avs were looking at Helleson which means they know they need to plan for life after Manson.

I also like bumping LOC up to third line and leaving the 4RW open for someone to catch on in camp like Foudy, Dufour, Stienburg, Olausson, Polin or whoever impresses. And if necessary a bottom or mid 6 RW can be pursued at the deadline.

Good post.

I think you made a mistake in your numbers though. With $8.7m in capspace, trading Wood's $2.5m leaves you with $11.2m, not $10.2m. So you have an extra $1m to play with

Regarding your last point, the guys with the inside track for the 12th/13th forward spots are probably Ivan and Prischepov. Ivan started the season well and made the roster, but he tailed off halfway through the season, presumably due to fatigue in his first NHL season. Prischepov is a good forechecker but 0g+0a in 10 games got him sent down to work on his offense a bit. Maros Jedlicka impressed Bednar in camp a couple of years ago too so maybe he's a guy who can surprise. It would be fun to see Stienburg get another shot as well given his physicality. Doubt Foudy or Olausson do much given how disappointing they've been in the last couple of preseasons.

 

[LOFIN]

Friday, one game.

Why?