OT: 2024 Soccer and Vancouver Whitecaps Thread

JianYang

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I went to the first MLS game ever for the whitecaps. They were playing outdoors at empire at the time, and the atmosphere was fantastic. Bc place could not replicate that vibe even with the new sunroof.

It would be a shame if the caps leave but I'm not so optimistic. Without their own stadium, the gloomy prospects of the canadian dollar, and the general affordability crisis plaguing the lower mainland, I just don't see much reason for someone to buy the franchise with the intention of operating in this market.
 
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Well I think it is generally bad news, although it doesn't have to be. I received some pushback online for suggesting the league is anxious to be rid of Vancouver (I do think this), but maybe they do recognize that at its core it should be a better market than Sacramento or Phoenix or whatever.

The "cheap ownership" narrative hasn't really been true for some years, and it continues to be a lazy talking point. The Whitecaps are middle-tier spenders, but face enormous hurdles to attract players that most other teams won't face, and for the most part they are insurmountable when your league isn't at the top of the pyramid. I'm not sure enduring huge losses every year would actually pay substantial dividends for ownership in this respect. (Although I would have hoped that Jeff Mallett in particular would have been willing to try a bit more, considering what small potatoes it is compared to the Giants).

And much as no one wants to hear it, the fans play a role too. Vancouver used to be the soccer capital of the country, but for a variety of reasons (mostly demographic ones I think) that is very clearly no longer the case. Given the region's history, we should have been up there with Seattle and Portland, but never even came close to generating that kind of atmosphere or interest. Obviously a big part of that is the stadium and a big part of that was the team on the pitch, but there was clear gulf from the very beginning.

If this is the end of the line, it really sucks. Despite everything I followed the team from a distance and travelled several times to see them on the road. I have the Apple TV MLS package. I don't even follow European soccer, I just like having another Vancouver team to root for. I've lived outside the region for most of my life now but I still wear BC pride on my sleeve and when things unfold the way they always seem to, I take that kind of thing pretty personally.

Cheap ownership was very true during the winnable years in the MLS. No excuse for the crap we saw between 2012 and 2018. It had a downstream effect on the fan interest in this city and pissed off a large contingency of prospective fans.

In recent years? Yeah they been spending money, partially due to the f***ing MLS commissioner calling them out (both behind the scenes and in public) but the lack of investment into the managerial and scouting personnel has cost this franchise in recent years. Vanni was never a legitimate football club manager but the front office tried to use "good vibes" as a way to cut costs in that area. They horribly mismanaged funds and lazily purchased players like Cava thinking they would randomly be lethal scorers in this league.
 
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It's interesting because I always thought that the fact that Vancouver has become a bigger, wealthier city is what would have helped Vancouver increase its potential as a sports market.

I figured, the city's population is growing rapidly and with wealthier people, that means more sports fans with more disposable income. Apparently that's one of the reasons why Denver, despite its relatively smaller population, is able to successfully support all big 4 teams & the MLS.

Crazy that it could actually mean the opposite for Vancouver.

Most of the general population cannot afford to go to sporting events - with how expensive cost of living has become here.

This is also why the nightlife/entertainment industry is also dying in Vancouver
 

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The City has other plans for the waterfront. Just not going to happen, as fantastic as it would be, as in best stadium experience in NA.

There wouldn't be any potential to build condo towers right at the Swangard sight, but there's always real estate potential around a major stadium. If a new stadium were built at Swangard, you are already in a high demand dense neighbourhood like Metrotown. The City of Vancouver would almost certainly up zone the area across from Swangard, to allow towers, so lots of opportunity there.

The Whitecaps are the 2nd lowest valuable team in the league, so the value can only go up for the new owner, and it probly wouldn't be long for the Whitecaps with their own stadium, and all the teams in general for their valuations to hit 1 billion in 20 years or so.

Interesting to see the timing of this. Yeah, the plan is officially dead.

Vancouver Whitecaps owner Greg Kerfoot and Cadillac Fairview, along with public and private groups, are moving forward with plans to convert the last major undeveloped area on Vancouver’s downtown waterfront into a large mixed-use hub.

Most of the general population cannot afford to go to sporting events - with how expensive cost of living has become here.

This is also why the nightlife/entertainment industry is also dying in Vancouver

The drug crises and COVID killed many businesses downtown. It's a very different vibe these days. You have many ordinances in some communities that prohibit events lasting after 10pm. Many restaurants here do last call at 10:15pm. The social construct of the region has dramatically changed in the last 30 years and there's less social cohesion...

It's quite possibly the lamest city I have been in. It's totally normal to go out for late night eats in Asia and Europe whereas most people here are in bed by 9pm.
 
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Most of the general population cannot afford to go to sporting events - with how expensive cost of living has become here.

This is also why the nightlife/entertainment industry is also dying in Vancouver
While you’re right that the general population are struggling financially. Like most things when it comes to your entertainment dollar: if you have an entertaining product people will come.

If Caps ownership aren’t making big investments, the general population sure as hell won’t.

I’m the kind of fan the Whitecaps needed: Young, expendable income & while not a huge soccer fan, someone who would go to games if they were worth it. But they never had a product worth the investment of time, never mind my dollars.
 
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