Blue Jays Discussion: 2024 Season (better title pending)

[aingefan]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1819744364333002883

Crazy that this guy is still just 23. Feels like he’s been around forever.

 

[Amadeus]

What exactly where you expecting return for a lot of these guys?

Surely you weren't expecting a king's ransom for *checks notes* 39 year old Justin Turner and well cooked Kevin Keirmeier?

No I'm not. And that's not the point I'm trying to make. I'm trying to say that despite all the trades that happened during the deadline, I still feel Atkins should be let go.

 

[dredeye]

I think it’s going to prove a huge mistake not exploiting the trade market and cashing in on Gausman/Basset. I think Gausman especially for some reason are gonna have down years next year.

I also keep hearing about how it Atkins doesn’t sound like a gm that’s about to lose his job and other garbage like that. I think we better lock in to another year of Shapiro and Atkins. Shapiro on the last year of his deal and Atkins second last year. Bo and Vlad in their last years. They keep saying they’ll stay through this window of the Bo/Vlad contracts. I will not engage in anything blue jays if they are around after the season ends. I’ll refuse free tickets.

 

[metafour]

Gausman's Stuff+ is down to 94 this season and he is still owed $46 million over the next two seasons. I don't think that teams are lining up to take that contract at this point given his decline this year.

 

[Dr.Funk]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1819923280867754481

 

[Dr.Funk]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1819932805364695222

 

[Blitzkrug]

Gausman's Stuff+ is down to 94 this season and he is still owed $46 million over the next two seasons. I don't think that teams are lining up to take that contract at this point given his decline this year.

I'm not convinced he's declining yet. He missed all of spring training with a shoulder issue and i'd be willing to bet it's still not fully resolved. The type of thing where you don't need surgery to correct it, but you do have to get some downtime for it to heal.

Let's see where he's at after the start of next season to determine that.

 

[metafour]

I'm not convinced he's declining yet. He missed all of spring training with a shoulder issue and i'd be willing to bet it's still not fully resolved. The type of thing where you don't need surgery to correct it, but you do have to get some downtime for it to heal.

Let's see where he's at after the start of next season to determine that.

Sure, but I was responding to someone who was making the comment that they made a mistake by not trading him. I'm not stating that he can't rebound next season.

Teams who are trading for starting pitching at the deadline are looking for immediate upgrades and potential playoff impact players that improve their team for 2024. Playoff contending teams are not lining up to take on Gausman's remaining $46 mill contract given the fact that he doesn't even improve their odds this season (as evidenced by the drastic decline in his stuff).

 

[trellaine201]

Personally I think Gausman has had some nagging shoulder/elbow/arm issues going back to the spring.

 

[dredeye]

Gausman's Stuff+ is down to 94 this season and he is still owed $46 million over the next two seasons. I don't think that teams are lining up to take that contract at this point given his decline this year.

very possible but teams really didn't seem to be unwilling to pay for pitching. That's the stuff we'll never actually know

On another note, I was listening to the radio today and they were talking about them not having re signed him. They mentioned the they heard on good authority that the jays tried to re up him but they weren't close on dollars so they moved him. Smart to move him. Not smart to not have a sense of those dollars before trading Moreno.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Nimmala over his last 30 games as an 18 year old in Dunedin. He needs to cut down on the strikeouts still but he's making a lot of loud contact (.1039 OPS) in that span.

.257/.398/.641 11hr 8(2b) 4(3b) 28rbi 18bb 47so

 

[aingefan]

Nimmala over his last 30 games as an 18 year old in Dunedin. He needs to cut down on the strikeouts still but he's making a lot of loud contact (.1039 OPS) in that span.

.257/.398/.641 11hr 8(2b) 4(3b) 28rbi 18bb 47so

Scorching hot.

Also hot, but not quite scorching, is Will Robertson. OPS up over 820 in AAA.

 

[dredeye]

Nimmala over his last 30 games as an 18 year old in Dunedin. He needs to cut down on the strikeouts still but he's making a lot of loud contact (.1039 OPS) in that span.

.257/.398/.641 11hr 8(2b) 4(3b) 28rbi 18bb 47so

4 triples is the craziest stat in there

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

4 triples is the craziest stat in there

I don't know, 11 homers in 30 games for a shortstop is pretty ridiculous too.

 

[dredeye]

I don't know, 11 homers in 30 games for a shortstop is pretty ridiculous too.

The he’s are insane but a triple is so much harder to hit. Both are eye popping

 

[PanniniClaus]

Biggio designated for assignment.

 

[MK78]

Biggio designated for assignment.

Ouch that fast?

 

[canucksfan]

Mattingly trying to get guys to use all parts of the field backfired with Chapman?

https://x.com/i/web/status/1820601595677339885

 

[PanniniClaus]

Ouch that fast?

He has completely lost the ability to hit.. while average has never been his thing, he was atrocious in LA. No BA, no OPB, no hard hit balls.

 

[Dr.Funk]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1820574789154615327

 

[Puckstuff]

I'm disappointed with Davis Schneider.

I honestly thought he was going to be a .750-.770 ops tier bat this season capable of being a starter. I will never get duped by hot starts or good AAA numbers again. He doesn't look like an MLB starter.

 

[phillipmike]

Toronto Blue Jays Schedule, Top Prospects & Roster

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[Baseball America] Blue Jays Top 30 Prospects: Updated Post Deadline​

Blue Jays Top 30 Prospects:

1. 2B Orelvis Martinez - Suspended
2. LHP Ricky Tiedemann - Injured
3. RHP Trey Yesavage (1st Round Pick)
4. RHP Jake Bloss (Kikuchi Trade)
5. OF Joey Loperfido (Kikuchi Trade)
6. SS Arjun Nimmala
7. 3B/RF Addison Barger
8. LHP Kendry Rojas
9. RHP Khal Stephen (2nd Round Pick)
10. UTL Charles McAdoo (IKF Trade)
11. SS Josh Kasevich
12. OF Jonatan Clase (Garcia Trade)
13. RHP Landen Maroudis - Injured
14. RHP Fernando Perez
15. LHP Johnny King (3rd Round Pick)
16. LHP Adam Macko - Injured
17. OF Alan Roden
18. SS/2B Leo Jimenez
19. OF Enmanuel Bonilla
20. RHP Carson Messina (12th Round Pick)
21. RHP Ryan Jennings - Injured
22. RHP Dahian Santos
23. OF Eddinson Paulino (Jansen Trade) - Injured
24. OF Jace Bohrofen
25. INF Will Wagner (Kikuchi Trade)
26. RHP Juaron Watts-Brown
27. LHP Brandon Barriera - Injured
28. INF Cutter Coffey (Jansen Trade)
29. RHP Nolan Perry
30. RHP Eric Pardinho

Blue Jays Prospects Dropped From Last Update:

• 15th - RHP Connor Cooke
• 21st - INF Damiano Palmegiani
• 22nd - RHP Chad Dallas (Injured)
• 27th - RHP Hagen Danner (Injured)
• 29th - RHP T.J. Brock (Injured)
• 30th - INF Riley Tirotta

Recent Acquired Prospects Missing The Cut:

• 15th: OF Yohendrick Pinango (CHC)
• 30th: INF Josh Rivera (CHC)
• NR: C Jacob Sharp (SEA)
• NR: OF RJ Schreck (SEA)
• NR: RHP Gilberto Batista (BOS)
• NR: INF Jay Harry (MIN)

Seems slightly high for Orelvis. Roden and Jimenez might be a tad low. Barriera and Palmegiani have really fallen.

 

[canucksfan]

Toronto Blue Jays Schedule, Top Prospects & Roster

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Seems slightly high for Orelvis. Roden and Jimenez might be a tad low. Barriera and Palmegiani have really fallen.

Thanks for posting. Nimmala I think should be higher. He’s doing very well as an 18 year old in Dunedin. Nice tools.

Barriera seems low but it does make sense. Last year he didn’t throw much and when he did he wasn’t good. This year he barely threw as well. If he comes back neat year and looks very good then I expect him to jump. Best to avoid high school pitchers in the first few rounds.

Bonilla hasn’t lived up to expectations as well.

Forgot to add there hasn’t really been any risers either. Injuries and a lack of performance has hurt the farm system this year.

 

[phillipmike]

Revisiting this. I complied a list of all players who signed FA deals or were traded in the off-season;

Position Players: Major League Leaderboards » 2024 » Batters » Dashboard | FanGraphs Baseball

Pitchers: Major League Leaderboards » 2024 » Pitchers » Dashboard | FanGraphs Baseball

 

[Eyedea]

I'm disappointed with Davis Schneider.

I honestly thought he was going to be a .750-.770 ops tier bat this season capable of being a starter. I will never get duped by hot starts or good AAA numbers again. He doesn't look like an MLB starter.

BABIP’d on the road, power drought at home. The huge cold spell over the last couple of months has hurt but I think he has the approach to bounce back and be a 110-120 wRC+.