Blue Jays Discussion: 2024 Season (better title pending)

[Discoverer]

None of these things are meaningful. The problem doesn't lie with any of the this. The teams isn't good enough. Atkins is the one who created the mess. Firing Mattingly, sure, go ahead, it does nothing thoguh. It's actually absurd to think this is a meaningful change. Same for Martinez, I don't have any loyalty to either one of them, but neither of them are the problem.

I'm all for dumping Atkins, but I have a hard time seeing the number of core players whose declines coincide with Mattingly's addition to the staff as some kind of fluke. I think Mattingly is a major problem.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I'm all for dumping Atkins, but I have a hard time seeing the number of core players whose declines coincide with Mattingly's addition to the staff as some kind of fluke. I think Mattingly is a major problem.

Let's agree to disagree on that.

 

[canucksfan]

I had no idea Gunnar Henderson was having that good of season. He’s already has 6.2 WAR

 

[trellaine201]

Delete

 

[Dr.Funk]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809375830910419047

 

[Dough72]

I'm all for dumping Atkins, but I have a hard time seeing the number of core players whose declines coincide with Mattingly's addition to the staff as some kind of fluke. I think Mattingly is a major problem.

I think the stat guys hold all authority behind the scenes. They would never let a baseball-man decide some kind of huge overarching hitting strategy and they certainly wouldn't let him keep running it with these kinds of results. I think Mattingly was just hired to add some swagger to the coaching staff so they don't lose the respect of the players. He just coaches whatever the stat guys tell him while enjoying a nice salary and a fun job.

 

[canucksfan]

I think the stat guys hold all authority behind the scenes. They would never let a baseball-man decide some kind of huge overarching hitting strategy and they certainly wouldn't let him keep running it with these kinds of results. I think Mattingly was just hired to add some swagger to the coaching staff so they don't lose the respect of the players. He just coaches whatever the stat guys tell him while enjoying a nice salary and a fun job.

Not sure if this is a joke or a serious post.

 

[Nineteen67]

Not sure if this is a joke or a serious post.

There’s probably some merit to it. If you want the job you have to listen to the GM and do what they say in this day and age.

 

[canucksfan]

There’s probably some merit to it. If you want the job you have to listen to the GM and do what they say in this day and age.

For sure. They likely picked Mattingly because he sold them on his vision or it aligns with how they want to hit. However, 'the stat guys' don't hold all of the authority. Mattingly likely uses analytics(at least I hope) to help with the hitters. He gets the info and does with it as he sees fit.

Since he's been here, how the Jays hit has changed.

 

[Discoverer]

Not sure if this is a joke or a serious post.

It could go either way these days, but... it has to be a joke, right?

I don't even know how someone would coach based on analytics. You can use stats to determine how well a player is doing, but the hitting coach's job is to adjust the plate approach, stance, etc. That's not stat-based stuff.

On another topic, it's only been about a week, but Nimmala is taking since being moved back to Dunedin.

 

[Dr.Funk]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809439046210384068

 

[MS]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809439046210384068

Sad end for a guy who had a long, solid career as a Jay.

Crazy that he had a 1.52 ERA last season. Equally crazy how his velocity just disappeared.

 

[dredeye]

I'm all for dumping Atkins, but I have a hard time seeing the number of core players whose declines coincide with Mattingly's addition to the staff as some kind of fluke. I think Mattingly is a major problem.

I couldn’t agree more. Our team has cratered since his arrival. I want him gone asap

 

[trellaine201]

oh man the front office in TO must be glued at the hips lol no moves , no firings, continued losses. Mind boggling. Shapkins must play a very good political game.

 

[Puckstuff]

The Jays need to sign Vlad and trade Bichette.

We can move IKF over to SS to replace Bo and trade for a 3B.

This team needs offence, and Vladdy at only 25 will be a good offensive player for another 8-10 years.

 

[Hellcat]

I'm all for dumping Atkins, but I have a hard time seeing the number of core players whose declines coincide with Mattingly's addition to the staff as some kind of fluke. I think Mattingly is a major problem.

It is odd that the hitters on the team have tanked so obviously since Mattingly joined the team. You never see Mattingly and Schneider next to each other in the dugout.

 

[Hellcat]

Not sure if this is a joke or a serious post.

Berrios was pulled in the playoffs because the advance stats nerds decided that he couldn't go past a certain pitch count. It was decided before the game started. I've read a number of articles that talk about how much influence the Blue jays analytic departments have on how the Blue Jays manage their lineup.

oh man the front office in TO must be glued at the hips lol no moves , no firings, continued losses. Mind boggling. Shapkins must play a very good political game.

No moves might be a good thing, what was the last good move Atkins and company made?

 

[canucksfan]

Berrios was pulled in the playoffs because the advance stats nerds decided that he couldn't go past a certain pitch count. It was decided before the game started. I've read a number of articles that talk about how much influence the Blue jays analytic departments have on how the Blue Jays manage their lineup.



No moves might be a good thing, what was the last good move Atkins and company made?

Analytics played a role in the decision but from what I have read Schneider has/had the final say.

My main point with my post is analytics isn't going to tell Mattingly what to do 100% of the time. The people in the analytical department will present stats to Mattingly and the other hitting coaches and they will(hopefully) make the necessary changes such as stance, swing path, etc.

Jays are slightly above average with the use of analytics compared to other teams.

 

[DuklaNation]

The analytics department can't use analytics to analyze that their poor performance is tied to analytics.

 

[Dr.Funk]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809776924174033216

 

[Leafblooded]

Our team is quite bad

 

[Dr.Funk]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1810088449698902448

 

[trellaine201]

Former Blue Jays outfielder Raul Mondesi sentenced to 6 years in jail in the Dominican Republic

Former Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder Raúl Mondesi was sentenced Friday by a Dominican court to six years and nine months in jail and fined $507,000 for corruption during his time as mayor in the city of San Cristobal.

www.sportsnet.ca

Embezzling $5M etc I know players didn't make as much money back then BUT I guess he must have blown a lot of his earnings. He will pay for it for the next 6 years behind bars.

 

[MK78]

Embezzling $5M etc I know players didn't make as much money back then BUT I guess he must have blown a lot of his earnings. He will pay for it for the next 6 years behind bars.

There's crapload of corruption at all levels in South America.

It doesn't surprise me.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Former Blue Jays outfielder Raul Mondesi sentenced to 6 years in jail in the Dominican Republic

Former Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder Raúl Mondesi was sentenced Friday by a Dominican court to six years and nine months in jail and fined $507,000 for corruption during his time as mayor in the city of San Cristobal.

www.sportsnet.ca

Embezzling $5M etc I know players didn't make as much money back then BUT I guess he must have blown a lot of his earnings. He will pay for it for the next 6 years behind bars.

Apparently he served all of that already under house arrest?