2024 Salary Cap and Beyond

[CBJWerenski8]

The more I think about it, the more Jake Allen makes sense and fits. Hes able to do both roles, and has in his career. Hes nothing special but he’d be the best goalie we’ve had since Bob in all likelihood.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

The more I think about it, the more Jake Allen makes sense and fits. Hes able to do both roles, and has in his career. Hes nothing special but he’d be the best goalie we’ve had since Bob in all likelihood.

It seems to me like it would do Columbus a lot of good to have a goaltender with high floor and small variance in their performance. Someone who makes those routine saves but you won't see very often on a highlights reel. Some stability to give Greaves a good environment to grow into and the young skaters some leeway. A veteran on a short-term deal makes sense, especially of one of Gardner and Ivanov comes along in a few years tome.

Now, is that Jake Allen? I don't know, but on the surface level he sure does make a whole lot of sense. I'd still be intrigued by Brossoit or Lyon.

 

[Theo Von]

The more I think about it, the more Jake Allen makes sense and fits. Hes able to do both roles, and has in his career. Hes nothing special but he’d be the best goalie we’ve had since Bob in all likelihood.

@Aaaarrgghh @CBJWerenski8

we’d have to hope he’d play much better at NWA than he has in his career.

in 7 career starts here, he has been yanked twice before the end of the 2nd period and has given up less than 3 goals in just one of those seven starts.

 

[Cheddarcheese]

The more I think about it, the more Jake Allen makes sense and fits. Hes able to do both roles, and has in his career. Hes nothing special but he’d be the best goalie we’ve had since Bob in all likelihood.

i dont mind your thinking there. Evlis needs someone that threating's his job. with how bad the free agents are this summer. i would sign Freddie and let Elvis and him split the season. lets be honest Jet isnt going to be our guy. i do have high hopes for ivanov


i do find it weird how we weren't all in on Askarov

 

[majormajor]

i dont mind your thinking there. Evlis needs someone that threating's his job. with how bad the free agents are this summer. i would sign Freddie and let Elvis and him split the season. lets be honest Jet isnt going to be our guy. i do have high hopes for ivanov


i do find it weird how we weren't all in on Askarov

Jet has a .921 in the AHL this year, a .926 in last year's playoff run, and a .910 across 16 NHL games. It's worth giving him a shot.

Frederik Andersen is 35 and has played less and less over the years. About 125 games over the last 5 years combined and only 35 games combined over the last 2 years. If Freddy and Elvis is the tandem then Elvis might end up starting more than he did this year.

Elvis needs a new team and we need to move on from him.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

i dont mind your thinking there. Evlis needs someone that threating's his job. with how bad the free agents are this summer. i would sign Freddie and let Elvis and him split the season. lets be honest Jet isnt going to be our guy. i do have high hopes for ivanov


i do find it weird how we weren't all in on Askarov

I’m fine with Freddie when healthy. Problem is he Almost never is. He’s an option but I prefer Allen.

 

[EspenK]

I was goofing around with the cap for next year and beyond and using "estimates" of next contract on capwages;com and using realistic extension amounts for our young guys I came up with a roster for next year and beyond that included adding:

Gavrikov
Pionk
Nelson
Ehlers
Suter

Took us right to cap ceiling for next 3 years.
Individually I could see adding any of the above but doubt that DW would take that big of a plunge.

Marchenko	Monahan	Voronkov
Ehlers	Fantilli	Johnson
Jenner	Nelson	Chinakhov
Suter	Sillinger	Olivier
13F	14F
Werenski	Pionk
Gavrikov	Severson
Mateychek	Gudbranson
Christiansen

waddya think?

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Jet has a .921 in the AHL this year, a .926 in last year's playoff run, and a .910 across 16 NHL games. It's worth giving him a shot.

Frederik Andersen is 35 and has played less and less over the years. About 125 games over the last 5 years combined and only 35 games combined over the last 2 years. If Freddy and Elvis is the tandem then Elvis might end up starting more than he did this year.

Elvis needs a new team and we need to move on from him.

Also, Greaves has had a positive GSAx during each of his last three seasons in the NHL. Admittedly, it's a low sample size with a very limited number of appearances, but it's promising.

i do find it weird how we weren't all in on Askarov

Waddell hadn't gotten to know the team well enough at that stage.

 

[koteka]

Sign Freddie Andersen knowing he’ll miss games.
Run with Freddie and Jet.
Waive Elvis and Tarasov. Assign them both to Cleveland if not claimed. Let Elvis have the option to go play the season in Switzerland.
When Freddie gets injured, bring up Elvis (if he is in Cleveland) or Tarasov.

Advantages
- don’t have to buy out Elvis or take a bad contract back in a trade
- shakes up the room a little
- brings in a veteran goalie
- Jet gets to develop at the NHL level

Disadvantages
- doesn’t solve long term issue (unless Jet takes a big step forward)

 

[CBJx614]

We've got to find two goalies who can compete with each other. Unless you have a bonafide starter who can play 55-65 games, you gotta have two guys who can compete against each other and can believe they both have an opportunity to steal the starting role.

 

[majormajor]

I was goofing around with the cap for next year and beyond and using "estimates" of next contract on capwages;com and using realistic extension amounts for our young guys I came up with a roster for next year and beyond that included adding:

Gavrikov
Pionk
Nelson
Ehlers
Suter

Took us right to cap ceiling for next 3 years.
Individually I could see adding any of the above but doubt that DW would take that big of a plunge.

Marchenko	Monahan	Voronkov
Ehlers	Fantilli	Johnson
Jenner	Nelson	Chinakhov
Suter	Sillinger	Olivier
13F	14F
Werenski	Pionk
Gavrikov	Severson
Mateychek	Gudbranson
Christiansen

waddya think?

That's a good portion of the top UFAs all going to one team.

Cap wages doesn't seem to be very accurate, in my opinion.

Sign Freddie Andersen knowing he’ll miss games.
Run with Freddie and Jet.
Waive Elvis and Tarasov. Assign them both to Cleveland if not claimed. Let Elvis have the option to go play the season in Switzerland.
When Freddie gets injured, bring up Elvis (if he is in Cleveland) or Tarasov.

Advantages
- don’t have to buy out Elvis or take a bad contract back in a trade
- shakes up the room a little
- brings in a veteran goalie
- Jet gets to develop at the NHL level

Disadvantages
- doesn’t solve long term issue (unless Jet takes a big step forward)

I like the way you're thinking about it (no sacred cows) but I don't think it makes sense for us with Elvis.

Elvis is an NHL caliber goalie, my guess is that he'll play well enough to force his way into the NHL and then we're back in this position where we're hoping he plays well when it matters and we have to risk dealing with the drama again. Elvis has done his best this year to be a good teammate but I don't think his hyper emotional nature is good for this team, we have to find our way and we need a more stoic mindset in the net.

 

[koteka]

I like the way you're thinking about it (no sacred cows) but I don't think it makes sense for us with Elvis.

Elvis is an NHL caliber goalie, my guess is that he'll play well enough to force his way into the NHL and then we're back in this position where we're hoping he plays well when it matters and we have to risk dealing with the drama again. Elvis has done his best this year to be a good teammate but I don't think his hyper emotional nature is good for this team, we have to find our way and we need a more stoic mindset in the net.

I expect one of three things to happen in that scenario. Some good team loses a goalie late in camp and they kind of get forced into claiming Elvis, Elvis decides a year in Switzerland might be good (note that Elvis has talked about the family moving back to Switzerland when his career is over - not Latvia) or Elvis plays games for the Jackets. I’m thinking Freddie gets 20+ starts and gets hurt, Jet goes from back up to starter, and Elvis gets plenty of games after Freddie is inevitably knocked out. If Elvis accepts that, then he becomes very easy to deal (with retention) in the last year of his deal. Anyway, we are not a Cup contender next season, but this allows us to evaluate Jet without putting too much pressure on him out of the gate. Jet is in year two of a two year contract next year so we better figure out whether he can be an NHL goalie.

 

[EspenK]

That's a good portion of the top UFAs all going to one team.

Cap wages doesn't seem to be very accurate, in my opinion.

Yeah, I thought Gavi was too low and Pionk maybe a bit high but it was interesting to me to see what is possible, if unlikely, with the big jump in the cap and CBJ's low base.

 

[Cowumbus]

waddya think?

90 percent of the UFA class won’t want to sign here.

 

[Cheddarcheese]

would have loved to see this team with Johnny

positive from this season

Marchenko
Fantilli
Werenski
KJ
Frabro
Oli
JVR
Mateychuk

Negatives

Our Defense
Goalie support ( i do think Elvis had a better year then his stats, a lot of the games during the beginning middle of the season he won for us. sucks the way the last two weeks have gone.
Chinny
Sillinger ( i don't think he was bad, was excepting more. still so young not ready to give up on him yet )
4th was meh
Don's trade deadline

 

[Xoggz22]

If we were actually considering an offer sheet, I go for broke and go after Bouchard. It would be a bit reckless to give up four 1st round picks, but CBJ may, may, be at a stage to consider it. EDM is goign to have to do some financial gymnastics because the following year they would need to re-sign McJesus and you know he's getting more than Drai.

Just a quick throw in for today. I could absolutely see them getting their 2nd back and doing a deal that would be for a high end piece but only cost the two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. Dobson? The hard part will always be that to make it financially difficult on a team it needs to be set at an AAV the other team won't match but recognize that would be a long term commitment, which also pushes the calculated value for draft pick compensation for the AAV calculated over 5 years. So a 7 x $11 will still cost you four 1sts when you calculate it based on 5 years. That's the challenge That or find a gem ready to burst that the other team doesn't think is worth the offer you submitted.

 

[stevo61]

If we were actually considering an offer sheet, I go for broke and go after Bouchard. It would be a bit reckless to give up four 1st round picks, but CBJ may, may, be at a stage to consider it. EDM is goign to have to do some financial gymnastics because the following year they would need to re-sign McJesus and you know he's getting more than Drai.

Just a quick throw in for today. I could absolutely see them getting their 2nd back and doing a deal that would be for a high end piece but only cost the two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. Dobson? The hard part will always be that to make it financially difficult on a team it needs to be set at an AAV the other team won't match but recognize that would be a long term commitment, which also pushes the calculated value for draft pick compensation for the AAV calculated over 5 years. So a 7 x $11 will still cost you four 1sts when you calculate it based on 5 years. That's the challenge That or find a gem ready to burst that the other team doesn't think is worth the offer you submitted.

Who do we have to babysit Bouchard?

 

[majormajor]

If we were actually considering an offer sheet, I go for broke and go after Bouchard. It would be a bit reckless to give up four 1st round picks, but CBJ may, may, be at a stage to consider it. EDM is goign to have to do some financial gymnastics because the following year they would need to re-sign McJesus and you know he's getting more than Drai.

Just a quick throw in for today. I could absolutely see them getting their 2nd back and doing a deal that would be for a high end piece but only cost the two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. Dobson? The hard part will always be that to make it financially difficult on a team it needs to be set at an AAV the other team won't match but recognize that would be a long term commitment, which also pushes the calculated value for draft pick compensation for the AAV calculated over 5 years. So a 7 x $11 will still cost you four 1sts when you calculate it based on 5 years. That's the challenge That or find a gem ready to burst that the other team doesn't think is worth the offer you submitted.

The Oilers might not be too happy with Bouchard, I could see them potentially trading him - though they'd want a more affordable D back that can replace Bouchard's role on the PP.

I don't see the point for us though. We already have a top offensive D-man. It's the Ekholm type we lack.

 

[MoeBartoli]

The defensive group needs an overhaul. It’s just not good enough as constructed. Z is elite, Mateychuk’s progress as the season winds down makes him the answer to one side of the second pair. Fabbro played well enough to earn a new contract assuming he’s realistic in expectations.

Christianson was extended and is fine as a 6/7 guy though I’m less high on him than some. Provorov is not one I’d attempt to retain. We need a better option though I do like his durability.

It’s time to thank Jack for his work in a Jackets Jersey and say goodbye and I’d like to do likewise with Gudbranson. Harris is just a warm body and serves no role.

As to Severson, I think we’re stuck with him - unfortunate because he’s too costly to pay a third pairing role. I’d try to shop him to a rebuilding team who’d be happy with one of our first round picks. Costly yes, but keeping him is costly too.

In the end I see the need for a top pairing defensive stopper and a bottom pair guy to pair with Christianson, a Monster prospect or Severson if he’s still here.

All this in addition to a goalie overhaul……

 

[CBJx614]

If only we had a big young 6'3 RHD that had the ability to move to the puck, put up 50-60 pts and wasn't a complete defensive liability

*sigh*

But really though, im curious to see what moves Waddell makes and if any of them are actually what he was talking about when he mentioned setting up the framework for some this off-season.