2024 Salary Cap and Beyond

[EspenK]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841215905906192674

Flexibility is the word. More concerned with getting to the floor next year than the ceiling.

Plenty of $ to go 8X for Fantilli in 2 years if he progresses as expected. Same with all of the recently signed RFA's.

Can add a solid FA or two.

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[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

Interesting to see if Waddell's approach changes next season, so far we're under the assumption that he will "take it slow" with a multi-year plan rather than try to fix everything in one go. That's probably still the smart plan but there's room to make a couple of targeted acquisitions...

 

[CBJx614]

Interesting to see if Waddell's approach changes next season, so far we're under the assumption that he will "take it slow" with a multi-year plan rather than try to fix everything in one go. That's probably still the smart plan but there's room to make a couple of targeted acquisitions...

It probably depends on who actually hits the market next season, for example I think Marner is the only big time piece that id be interested in getting. However, I don't think he's remotely interested unless we make some noise this season and it's led by the young guns.

 

[CannonFire1]

Rantanen and Sam Bennett would also be interesting, but I doubt either makes it to FA.

 

[punk_o_holic]

Rantanen and Sam Bennett would also be interesting, but I doubt either makes it to FA.

Nik Ehlers, is he set to be a free agent? Wouldn't mind him. Rantanen would be unreal.

 

[majormajor]

Marner, Rantanen, Shesterkin, Ehlers, it would be an amazing group if they all made it to UFA. With the cap jumping up though it's going to be really difficult for the Jackets to take advantage of the situation.

One guy that I've thought about is Evan Bouchard. A year from now if the Oilers are reluctant to pay him his $11m, would they want to swap him for a cheaper version in Jiricek? This would of course assume Jiricek develops enough to be a reliable substitute and shows his ability to lead a PP, but doesn't develop so much that we would rather just keep him. A bit of an unlikely scenario.

 

[EspenK]

The way Marchenko and Chinakhov are playing i wish Don took a risk to lock them up longer to save $$$$ in the long run.

Moved quote from Excitement thread.

I disagree completely. If they continue their current pace then they will deserve all the $ they can get next time around. If they don't well all is good from a cap perspective.

Cap is rumored to go to 92.5mm next year, Probably north of 95mm in 2 years. Marchenko & KJ aren't due for 3 years.

I think GMDW did the right thing,

 

[tunnelvision]

I disagree completely. If they continue their current pace then they will deserve all the $ they can get next time around. If they don't well all is good from a cap perspective.

Cap is rumored to go to 92.5mm next year, Probably north of 95mm in 2 years. Marchenko & KJ aren't due for 3 years.

What would be the combined AAV for Fantilli, KJ, Marchenko, Chinakhov, Voronkov, Sillinger, Jiricek, Mateychuk and Brindley in 2027/28?

 

[Cheddarcheese]

What would be the combined AAV for Fantilli, KJ, Marchenko, Chinakhov, Voronkov, Sillinger, Jiricek, Mateychuk and Brindley in 2027/28?

45million a year ++??? lol

 

[stevo61]

What would be the combined AAV for Fantilli, KJ, Marchenko, Chinakhov, Voronkov, Sillinger, Jiricek, Mateychuk and Brindley in 2027/28?

Hopefully a lot meaning they reach their potential

 

[tunnelvision]

Hopefully a lot meaning they reach their potential

And maybe also unfortunately meaning the team faces cap problems while preparing for a cup run.

 

[stevo61]

And maybe also unfortunately meaning the team faces cap problems while preparing for a cup run.

Most teams do. For better or worse it's probably unrealistic to expect this group as a whole to remain intact fully

 

[tunnelvision]

Most teams do. For better or worse it's probably unrealistic to expect this group as a whole to remain intact fully

Sure. I think it's also unrealistic to expect this group to have a long cup window with none of the core players on discount contracts.

 

[Xoggz22]

What would be the combined AAV for Fantilli, KJ, Marchenko, Chinakhov, Voronkov, Sillinger, Jiricek, Mateychuk and Brindley in 2027/28?

To be honest, I don't worry about Jiricek, Mateychuk and Brindley at that point. If they are playing great and we can get a good long term deal... great. However, they can continue to be bridge candidates and who knows what else might come our way. I mean with the cap space next year it is entirely possible they push chips in to get a young stud (Bouchard?) and are afforded moving some of those chips for longer term chips and keep the cycle going. I want to see some sustainability with Fantilli, KJ, Marchenko, Chinny and Vronk first. Looks promising at this point let's see in a year how they blossom.

 

[alphafox]

If we could I would really like to leverage cap space at trade deadline for assets. I would imagine we could get a pretty good haul as a dumping ground for UFA's in 2025 and 2026 which still leaves plenty of room for us to add a major piece and then clear cap when its time to pay the kids. If we can figure out goal, grow from within and keep adding through the draft we would be at the opening of our playoff window with a good spread of age and ability to flex and trade for vets or prospects depending on how competitive we are. Fundamentally I still think we need one more cornerstone piece unless we get very lucky development wise and a large group hit their max potential (Fantilli, KJ, Sillinger, Lindstrom, Matyechuk, Jiricek) as well as a few surprises from others (Brindley, LDBB, Ceulemans, Charlie Elick, Svozil)

 

[Forepar]

If we could I would really like to leverage cap space at trade deadline for assets. I would imagine we could get a pretty good haul as a dumping ground for UFA's in 2025 and 2026 which still leaves plenty of room for us to add a major piece and then clear cap when its time to pay the kids. If we can figure out goal, grow from within and keep adding through the draft we would be at the opening of our playoff window with a good spread of age and ability to flex and trade for vets or prospects depending on how competitive we are. Fundamentally I still think we need one more cornerstone piece unless we get very lucky development wise and a large group hit their max potential (Fantilli, KJ, Sillinger, Lindstrom, Matyechuk, Jiricek) as well as a few surprises from others (Brindley, LDBB, Ceulemans, Charlie Elick, Svozil)

I am more amenable to leveraging cap space with forwards than with D-men.

Having watched the D corp this year so far, in comparison to last year and watching SC playoffs closely each year, I would NOT count on developing d-men fast enough or often enough to cover the supposed window. I'm not sold on Jiricek. We have not seen Mateychuk in an NHL game yet though most of the veteran posters here think he is a sure thing. Cuelmans/Svozil have been unimpressive in their development (particularly Cuelmans). Elick is too early to tell anything. So I'd rather keep someone like the current Provorov (this season's version) than trade him for assets. Provorov may be costly - but if he maintains current level of play, he'd be worth it. Many want to credit Provorov's vastly improved play to playing with Z - and yet on the other hand, Z is playing out of his mind, perhaps in part because he has a reliable partner in Provorov? It works both ways. I like what we see from Christiansen, not sure about Severson and that contract for the window. I'd hate to dump Provorov (assuming he continues at current trajectory) because we have the Severson contract (thank you JK and your move aimed to possibly save your job). Harris scares me, especially paired with JJ (which will change after this year to ____).
So if you dump a dman like Provorov, on the backend CBJ would have a stud in Z, a presumed stud in Mateychuk, a Severson contract that may not age well, and what else? That would not bode well for making the playoffs, let alone making a run. I'd much rather retainp D-men whom are in their prime (Provorov is 27) and have many prime years lefts, and who are playing well rather than trade them for assets to make more cap space. Sure, we could pick up a veteran D when we need it, but a) that veteran D's contract will be in the same ballpark as Provorov's new deal; and b) we already have that veteran D. Unless his contract demands are well beyond market, I'd prefer we re-sign Provorov due to position.

 

[VT]

I am more amenable to leveraging cap space with forwards than with D-men.

Having watched the D corp this year so far, in comparison to last year and watching SC playoffs closely each year, I would NOT count on developing d-men fast enough or often enough to cover the supposed window. I'm not sold on Jiricek. We have not seen Mateychuk in an NHL game yet though most of the veteran posters here think he is a sure thing. Cuelmans/Svozil have been unimpressive in their development (particularly Cuelmans). Elick is too early to tell anything. So I'd rather keep someone like the current Provorov (this season's version) than trade him for assets. Provorov may be costly - but if he maintains current level of play, he'd be worth it. Many want to credit Provorov's vastly improved play to playing with Z - and yet on the other hand, Z is playing out of his mind, perhaps in part because he has a reliable partner in Provorov? It works both ways. I like what we see from Christiansen, not sure about Severson and that contract for the window. I'd hate to dump Provorov (assuming he continues at current trajectory) because we have the Severson contract (thank you JK and your move aimed to possibly save your job). Harris scares me, especially paired with JJ (which will change after this year to ____).
So if you dump a dman like Provorov, on the backend CBJ would have a stud in Z, a presumed stud in Mateychuk, a Severson contract that may not age well, and what else? That would not bode well for making the playoffs, let alone making a run. I'd much rather retainp D-men whom are in their prime (Provorov is 27) and have many prime years lefts, and who are playing well rather than trade them for assets to make more cap space. Sure, we could pick up a veteran D when we need it, but a) that veteran D's contract will be in the same ballpark as Provorov's new deal; and b) we already have that veteran D. Unless his contract demands are well beyond market, I'd prefer we re-sign Provorov due to position.

I agree with Provorov and Werenski.

Insiders wrote that Montreal gave Waddell some defensemen to choose from. I'm curious whom if he took Harris.

 

[EspenK]

What about trading Severson and retaining the max allowed? 50%. That would give room to re-sign Provorov if that is what GMDW wants. Thoughts?

 

[alphafox]

I am more amenable to leveraging cap space with forwards than with D-men.

Having watched the D corp this year so far, in comparison to last year and watching SC playoffs closely each year, I would NOT count on developing d-men fast enough or often enough to cover the supposed window. I'm not sold on Jiricek. We have not seen Mateychuk in an NHL game yet though most of the veteran posters here think he is a sure thing. Cuelmans/Svozil have been unimpressive in their development (particularly Cuelmans). Elick is too early to tell anything. So I'd rather keep someone like the current Provorov (this season's version) than trade him for assets. Provorov may be costly - but if he maintains current level of play, he'd be worth it. Many want to credit Provorov's vastly improved play to playing with Z - and yet on the other hand, Z is playing out of his mind, perhaps in part because he has a reliable partner in Provorov? It works both ways. I like what we see from Christiansen, not sure about Severson and that contract for the window. I'd hate to dump Provorov (assuming he continues at current trajectory) because we have the Severson contract (thank you JK and your move aimed to possibly save your job). Harris scares me, especially paired with JJ (which will change after this year to ____).
So if you dump a dman like Provorov, on the backend CBJ would have a stud in Z, a presumed stud in Mateychuk, a Severson contract that may not age well, and what else? That would not bode well for making the playoffs, let alone making a run. I'd much rather retainp D-men whom are in their prime (Provorov is 27) and have many prime years lefts, and who are playing well rather than trade them for assets to make more cap space. Sure, we could pick up a veteran D when we need it, but a) that veteran D's contract will be in the same ballpark as Provorov's new deal; and b) we already have that veteran D. Unless his contract demands are well beyond market, I'd prefer we re-sign Provorov due to position.

Largely Agreed. Frankly I think we need another core piece on the back end and the front end to be a championship caliber team. My point was that I think we would have to hit homeruns on development across the board to be good to go without a major piece or two being added so we need to leverage our current cap space to add assets that can be used to upgrade elements of the roster (i.e. we need Chinakov and a 2nd to go get a D upgrade). As to Provorov this might be a time to (reluctantly) sell at an all time unless Zach is making clear that he is able to do what he is doing because of his partnership.

 

[alphafox]

What about trading Severson and retaining the max allowed? 50%. That would give room to re-sign Provorov if that is what GMDW wants. Thoughts?

I don't hate it, but it sticks us with retention for a long time which could become an issue if we get to the point we want to push all our chips in. Maybe I am overly optimistic but I actually think that we could move Severson as part of the deal at the deadline and take a shorter term but bigger cap back from a contender.

 

[AnonCommentary]

Am I the only one who cannot get behind resigning Provorov? Advanced Analytics say he’s being carried by Werenski. I’d rather find someone who can be a good complimentary partner to Z and doesn’t need to be carried.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

What about trading Severson and retaining the max allowed? 50%. That would give room to re-sign Provorov if that is what GMDW wants. Thoughts?

I've never been sold on Severson and the 8 years that Jarmo gave him was far north of absurd. I fully understand the notion of moving on from him. I just don't know if it's the best course of action.

Provorov is in a contract year. A lot of players have exceptional "contract years" then sign the long term deal and regress to their previous performance level. I'd give it a lot more time this season and see how he plays and how Mateychuk and Jiricek progress.

Also, this team is in a rebuild and probably will be for a while longer. I'd say that there would be significant risk that Provorov could end up being a Severson-like cap burden. This team isn't on the cusp of the Cup and I don't think signing Provorov to a 7 or 8 year deal puts it any closer to its ultimate goal.

At this point I'd lean toward Provorov as a Trade Deadline Deal and staying with Severson for the rest of the year and reassessing then. If he's really a $4m player instead of the $6m he's signed for then it defeats the purpose of a 50% retention via trade or a buyout as his replacement in real value would cost the CBJ the same as a buyout/retention-so they may as well keep him.

 

[CannonFire1]

What about trading Severson and retaining the max allowed? 50%. That would give room to re-sign Provorov if that is what GMDW wants. Thoughts?

No way do you retain on a contract that long. The Jackets have plenty of room to re-sign Provorov if they want to. No need to clear cap.

 

[CannonFire1]

Am I the only one who cannot get behind resigning Provorov? Advanced Analytics say he’s being carried by Werenski. I’d rather find someone who can be a good complimentary partner to Z and doesn’t need to be carried.

I'm undecided. Need to see a larger sample in Evason's system. Coming into the season, I was convinced he would be dealt at the TDL...similar thoughts to what Cyclones Rock posted.

 

[majormajor]

Severson is overpaid but I don't think you could replace him with $3m. So not that overpaid.

Am I the only one who cannot get behind resigning Provorov? Advanced Analytics say he’s being carried by Werenski. I’d rather find someone who can be a good complimentary partner to Z and doesn’t need to be carried.

What stats are you looking at?