Patriots/NFL 2024 Regular Season: Part II - If the NFL season ended today, the Patriots would have the No. 4 pick in the draft

[Johnnyduke]

Caleb Williams's Reaction to Brutal Hit Perfectly Sums Up Bears' Lack of Protection — Sports Illustrated

I don't have much sympathy for Caleb Williams. By all accounts he was going into a much better situation than Drake Maye. Maye is developing despite the incompetence around him. Can't say I am sad to see Caleb Williams struggling either. Was never sold on him going back to college.

 

[Joe Zanussi]

Johnny Duke: This type of stuff for 2 weeks: “All we have to go on is what guys like Bedard are reporting from camp. And with the history of drafting, you hafta wonder about this pick”

Maybe he didn’t use the word “bust” (I honestly don’t know….i wont say for sure that he did or didn’t use the word. Either way tge spirit of the message was clear). Are you saying this wasn’t his message?

 

[Johnnyduke]

Johnny Duke: This type of stuff for 2 weeks: “All we have to go on is what guys like Bedard are reporting from camp. And with the history of drafting, you hafta wonder about this pick”

Maybe he didn’t use the word “bust” (I honestly don’t know….i wont say for sure that he did or didn’t use the word. Either way tge spirit of the message was clear). Are you saying this wasn’t his message?

That's exactly what I am saying. Everyone might have been critical about how the offense looked but most of the criticism was pointed at Van Pelt and personnel around Drake Maye. People were reporting the offense looked terrible. It was never a specific criticism of Drake Maye or a proclamation that he was a bust without ever playing a single game. Even Felger doesn't do that.

 

[Joe Zanussi]

That's exactly what I am saying. Everyone might have been critical about how the offense looked but most of the criticism was pointed at Van Pelt and personnel around Drake Maye. People were reporting the offense looked terrible. It was never a specific criticism of Drake Maye or a proclamation that he was a bust without ever playing a single game. Even Felger doesn't do that.

I think we’ll have to go to our graves disagreeing on this. There was certainly criticism of many different things but there was most certainly insinuation (better than proclamation?) tgat we missed on this pick. I heard what I heard….you heard it differently I guess…the earth will keep spinning.

 

[RoccoF14]

I don't have much sympathy for Caleb Williams. By all accounts he was going into a much better situation than Drake Maye. Maye is developing despite the incompetence around him. Can't say I am sad to see Caleb Williams struggling either. Was never sold on him going back to college.

He's cocky, no doubt. But I don't mind that in a QB. I don't put this on Williams as much as I do the Bears organization. For all the whining Pats fans do about their OL, the Bears' OL is just as bad. Last night was about as awful as I've seen them. That rookie LT #72 had an absolute nightmare of a game. Every time they made a big play, he inevitably got called for something.

Its just a poorly coached team, desperately in need of a complete overhaul of the team culture. Mike Vrabel would be the perfect hire for them, but they'll inevitably screw that up and hire some glorified play-caller like Ben Johnson. He will fail in 3-4 years, just like Nagy did.

 

[Therick67]

He's cocky, no doubt. But I don't mind that in a QB. I don't put this on Williams as much as I do the Bears organization. For all the whining Pats fans do about their OL, the Bears' OL is just as bad. Last night was about as awful as I've seen them. That rookie LT #72 had an absolute nightmare of a game. Every time they made a big play, he inevitably got called for something.

Its just a poorly coached team, desperately in need of a complete overhaul of the team culture. Mike Vrabel would be the perfect hire for them, but they'll inevitably screw that up and hire some glorified play-caller like Ben Johnson. He will fail in 3-4 years, just like Nagy did.

He would have been perfect here. Who would have thought bringing in a first time Head coach who hasn't even run one side of the ball would be lost running the whole show?

Mayo is getting worse and not showing any signs he can do this..Krafty Bob screwed this up big time.

 

[Smitty93]

The trouble with Mayo is the idea of him is much better than the reality.

Young, former player who should be able to connect well with players of today. Had 8 years as a player, including a Super Bowl win, and 5 years as a coach under Belichick, so presumably learned about what it takes to win in this league. Spent some time working in media, so should understand those interactions.

I don't know if it's actually a case of inexperience being a key problem. I think it's personality. I think of Josh McDaniels two head coaching disasters, and how he made it seem after the first failure that he had learned about how he needed to change to make his second chance a success. But then he basically made the exact same mistakes, and it's because it's so difficult to change your personality.

With Mayo, he's incredibly driven. He'd been after this job for years, so his post-playing career has been all about self-promotion. That leads to where we are today, which is someone who's so focused on making himself look good, he'll throw anyone under the bus to deflect blame. And when he receives negative attention for that, he walks back the comments, but that also just makes him look bad. He got the job through questionable means, so he's always going to be concerned about holding onto that power because he didn't get it through true merit.