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2024 Prospect Poll #8

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Who is the Sabres' best remaining prospect?

  • Total voters
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I guess my question at this point for those who are high on Komorov, does he jump ahead of Johnson on the depth chart and get a callup before RyJo?
 
old kummelweck said:
I guess my question at this point for those who are high on Komorov, does he jump ahead of Johnson on the depth chart and get a callup before RyJo?
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My question is: can you make the argument that Johnson is a first- round talent at this point when you compare him to everyone else in his draft class?

Two months ago, AGM Jerry Forton said he could make that argument for Komarov.
 
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Jacob582 said:
My question is: can you make the argument that Johnson is a first- round talent at this point when you compare him to everyone else in his draft class?

Two months ago, AGM Jerry Forton said he could make that argument for Komorov.
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Pronman had Johnson at 52 in a 2019 redraft from October. Granted that was before he had a nice season.

(Cozens was 2, Byram 7, Krebs 21, Rousek 68)
 
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I'm pleasantly surprised at the amount of bottom 4 defensive prospects we have (Johnson, Strbak, Komarov, Novikov, Kleber). If you can project 2-3 of those 5 (6 if you include McCarthy) to the bottom pair, you now have Dahlin/Power/Byram and a collection of young talent on the backend.

2-3 years from now the Sabres may have a very solid, young, cost controlled defense. Credit to Adams for his drafting here.
 
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Curious what those voting Strbak (last poll #13) over Novikov (#9) saw last year to cause the jump? I'm struggling to think of any way that Strbak's season was more impressive.

Novikov is becoming the most underrated prospect in the system.
 
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My list that I've had and been making mild adjustments every now and then:

*Yes, I know Metsa is not signed to an NHL deal.

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Rank[/TD]
[TD]Player[/TD]
[TD]Position[/TD]
[TD]Total[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
1​
[/TD]

[TD]Devon Levi[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]

[TD]
4.325​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
2​
[/TD]

[TD]Konsta Helenius[/TD]
[TD]C/RW[/TD]

[TD]
4.275​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
3​
[/TD]

[TD]Jiri Kulich[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
3.925​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
4​
[/TD]

[TD]Viktor Neuchev[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]

[TD]
3.825​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
5​
[/TD]

[TD]Isak Rosen[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]

[TD]
3.7​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
6​
[/TD]

[TD]Noah Ostlund[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
3.7​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
7​
[/TD]

[TD]Anton Wahlberg[/TD]
[TD]C/LW[/TD]

[TD]
3.6​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
8​
[/TD]

[TD]Vsevolod Komarov[/TD]
[TD]RD[/TD]

[TD]
3.6​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
9​
[/TD]

[TD]Nikita Novikov[/TD]
[TD]LD[/TD]

[TD]
3.5​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
10​
[/TD]

[TD]Ryan Johnson[/TD]
[TD]LD[/TD]

[TD]
3.475​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
11​
[/TD]

[TD]Scott Ratzlaff[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]

[TD]
3.375​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
12​
[/TD]

[TD]Viljama Marjala[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]

[TD]
3.375​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
13​
[/TD]

[TD]Ryerson Leenders[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]

[TD]
3.375​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
15​
[/TD]

[TD]Maxim Strbak[/TD]
[TD]RD[/TD]

[TD]
3.225​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
14​
[/TD]

[TD]Adam Kleber[/TD]
[TD]RD[/TD]

[TD]
3.175​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
16​
[/TD]

[TD]Zach Metsa[/TD]
[TD]RD[/TD]

[TD]
3.125​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
17​
[/TD]

[TD]Jake Richard[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]

[TD]
3.1​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
18​
[/TD]

[TD]Alexander Kisakov[/TD]
[TD]F[/TD]

[TD]
3.075​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
19​
[/TD]

[TD]Vasili Zelenov[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]

[TD]
3.025​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
20​
[/TD]

[TD]Prokhor Poltapov[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]

[TD]
3​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
22​
[/TD]

[TD]Brody Ziemer[/TD]
[TD]RW/C[/TD]

[TD]
3​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
21​
[/TD]

[TD]Lukas Rousek[/TD]
[TD]LW/RW[/TD]

[TD]
2.975​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
23​
[/TD]

[TD]Tyson Kozak[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
2.925​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
24​
[/TD]

[TD]Gavin McCarthy[/TD]
[TD]RD[/TD]

[TD]
2.925​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
25​
[/TD]

[TD]William Von Barneknow[/TD]
[TD]LW/C[/TD]

[TD]
2.875​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
26​
[/TD]

[TD]Aaron Huglen[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
2.85​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
28​
[/TD]

[TD]Matteo Costantini[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
2.775​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
33​
[/TD]

[TD]Luke Osburn[/TD]
[TD]LD[/TD]

[TD]
2.775​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
31​
[/TD]

[TD]Joel Ratkovic Berndtsson[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]

[TD]
2.7​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
30​
[/TD]

[TD]Olivier Nadeau[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]

[TD]
2.675​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
32​
[/TD]

[TD]Jakub Konecny[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
2.55​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
34​
[/TD]

[TD]Patrick Geary[/TD]
[TD]LD[/TD]

[TD]
2.525​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
35​
[/TD]

[TD]Topias Leinonen[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]

[TD]
2.5​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
27​
[/TD]

[TD]Sean Keohane[/TD]
[TD]LD[/TD]

[TD]
2.45​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
29​
[/TD]

[TD]Ethan Miedema[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]

[TD]
2.45​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
36​
[/TD]

[TD]Simon-Pier Brunet[/TD]
[TD]RD[/TD]

[TD]
2.45​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
37​
[/TD]

[TD]Stiven Sardarian[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
2.425​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
38​
[/TD]

[TD]Gustav Karlsson[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
2.35​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
39​
[/TD]

[TD]Norwin Panocha[/TD]
[TD]LD[/TD]

[TD]
2.275​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
0​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
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HOOats said:
Curious what those voting Strbak (last poll #13) over Novikov (#9) saw last year to cause the jump? I'm struggling to think of any way that Strbak's season was more impressive.

Novikov is becoming the most underrated prospect in the system.
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Strbak has a higher ceiling and defensive defensemen don't shiver many timbers unless they're laying waste to bodies left and right.
I don't base my grade solely on what did you do but where are they going to be in a few years
 
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Old Navy Goat said:
Strbak has a higher ceiling and defensive defensemen don't shiver many timbers unless they're laying waste to bodies left and right.
I don't base my grade solely on what did you do but where are they going to be in a few years.
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I understand that. I'm just not sure why Strbak's or Novikov's projected ceiling/floor materially changed from last summer's poll to warrant the change in rank. What do you regard each's ceiling to be?

It's not like Strbak had a productive NCAA season that revealed a higher offensive potential. I like his skill set to develop more offense eventually, but it still has a long way to go and is no sure thing.

If anything, Novikov's 3-20-23 in 65 AHL games with no PP time showed that he at least has a chance to be more than a total black hole offensively. That combined with the underrated instincts jumping into plays that Chain mentioned, and his defensive acumen, equals a very underrated kid who has a pretty obvious path to a decade-long career in the league.
 
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HOOats said:
I understand that. I'm just not sure why Strbak's or Novikov's projected ceiling/floor materially changed from last summer's poll to warrant the change in rank. What do you regard each's ceiling to be?

It's not like Strbak had a productive NCAA season that revealed a higher offensive potential. I like his skill set to develop more offense eventually, but it still has a long way to go and is no sure thing.

If anything, Novikov's 3-20-23 in 65 AHL games with no PP time showed that he at least has a chance to be more than a total black hole offensively. That combined with the underrated instincts jumping into plays that Chain mentioned, and his defensive acumen, equals a very underrated kid who has a pretty obvious path to a decade-long career in the league.
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We’re now in the territory where it’s the B prospects and people are voting who they like more. There’s no criteria now other than who they like more.
 
HOOats said:
I understand that. I'm just not sure why Strbak's or Novikov's projected ceiling/floor materially changed from last summer's poll to warrant the change in rank. What do you regard each's ceiling to be?

It's not like Strbak had a productive NCAA season that revealed a higher offensive potential. I like his skill set to develop more offense eventually, but it still has a long way to go and is no sure thing.

If anything, Novikov's 3-20-23 in 65 AHL games with no PP time showed that he at least has a chance to be more than a total black hole offensively. That combined with the underrated instincts jumping into plays that Chain mentioned, and his defensive acumen, equals a very underrated kid who has a pretty obvious path to a decade-long career in the league.
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Novikov looks like he'll cap at a 5/6 while Strbak could be a 4. Being a RHD also tips the scale a bit
 
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Novikov, Hoooats pretty much said why. The what have you done so far factor is why he's at the top of the next group.

Old Navy Goat said:
Novikov looks like he'll cap at a 5/6 while Strbak could be a 4. Being a RHD also tips the scale a bit
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I don't like judging based of projections, it's not accurate and it's based off favoritism or feeling.
 
MarkusKetterer said:
We’re now in the territory where it’s the B prospects and people are voting who they like more. There’s no criteria now other than who they like more.
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I mean, there's not much objective about any of this and it's just for fun. Whether "A" prospects or "B" prospects, the only criteria ever is who we like more. I'm just interested in drilling down into the "why" sometimes. That's where we actually learn and start to figure things out imo.
Sabre the Win said:
Novikov, Hoooats pretty much said why. The what have you done so far factor is why he's at the top of the next group.


I don't like judging based of projections, it's not accurate and it's based off favoritism or feeling.
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You have to make projections, that's largely what this exercise is. There's no real use in just ranking "what have they accomplished to date." That's just one part of the puzzle.
 
I'm Komarov-Novikov-Klebber-Strbak-Neuchev from here. Definitely into the 3rd tier of prospects at this point.

Below this they'll be lucky to have 2 players taste NHL ice.

Sabre the Win said:
I don't like judging based of projections, it's not accurate and it's based off favoritism or feeling.
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That's certainly fair for you, but for a lot of people that's why they come here and watch non-NHL games.
 
Chainshot said:
My list that I've had and been making mild adjustments every now and then:

*Yes, I know Metsa is not signed to an NHL deal.

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Rank[/TD]
[TD]Player[/TD]
[TD]Position[/TD]
[TD]Total[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
1​
[/TD]

[TD]Devon Levi[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]

[TD]
4.325​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
2​
[/TD]

[TD]Konsta Helenius[/TD]
[TD]C/RW[/TD]

[TD]
4.275​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
3​
[/TD]

[TD]Jiri Kulich[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
3.925​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
4​
[/TD]

[TD]Viktor Neuchev[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]

[TD]
3.825​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
5​
[/TD]

[TD]Isak Rosen[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]

[TD]
3.7​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
6​
[/TD]

[TD]Noah Ostlund[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
3.7​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
7​
[/TD]

[TD]Anton Wahlberg[/TD]
[TD]C/LW[/TD]

[TD]
3.6​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
8​
[/TD]

[TD]Vsevolod Komarov[/TD]
[TD]RD[/TD]

[TD]
3.6​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
9​
[/TD]

[TD]Nikita Novikov[/TD]
[TD]LD[/TD]

[TD]
3.5​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
10​
[/TD]

[TD]Ryan Johnson[/TD]
[TD]LD[/TD]

[TD]
3.475​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
11​
[/TD]

[TD]Scott Ratzlaff[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]

[TD]
3.375​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
12​
[/TD]

[TD]Viljama Marjala[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]

[TD]
3.375​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
13​
[/TD]

[TD]Ryerson Leenders[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]

[TD]
3.375​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
15​
[/TD]

[TD]Maxim Strbak[/TD]
[TD]RD[/TD]

[TD]
3.225​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
14​
[/TD]

[TD]Adam Kleber[/TD]
[TD]RD[/TD]

[TD]
3.175​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
16​
[/TD]

[TD]Zach Metsa[/TD]
[TD]RD[/TD]

[TD]
3.125​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
17​
[/TD]

[TD]Jake Richard[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]

[TD]
3.1​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
18​
[/TD]

[TD]Alexander Kisakov[/TD]
[TD]F[/TD]

[TD]
3.075​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
19​
[/TD]

[TD]Vasili Zelenov[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]

[TD]
3.025​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
20​
[/TD]

[TD]Prokhor Poltapov[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]

[TD]
3​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
22​
[/TD]

[TD]Brody Ziemer[/TD]
[TD]RW/C[/TD]

[TD]
3​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
21​
[/TD]

[TD]Lukas Rousek[/TD]
[TD]LW/RW[/TD]

[TD]
2.975​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
23​
[/TD]

[TD]Tyson Kozak[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
2.925​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
24​
[/TD]

[TD]Gavin McCarthy[/TD]
[TD]RD[/TD]

[TD]
2.925​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
25​
[/TD]

[TD]William Von Barneknow[/TD]
[TD]LW/C[/TD]

[TD]
2.875​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
26​
[/TD]

[TD]Aaron Huglen[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
2.85​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
28​
[/TD]

[TD]Matteo Costantini[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
2.775​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
33​
[/TD]

[TD]Luke Osburn[/TD]
[TD]LD[/TD]

[TD]
2.775​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
31​
[/TD]

[TD]Joel Ratkovic Berndtsson[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]

[TD]
2.7​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
30​
[/TD]

[TD]Olivier Nadeau[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]

[TD]
2.675​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
32​
[/TD]

[TD]Jakub Konecny[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
2.55​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
34​
[/TD]

[TD]Patrick Geary[/TD]
[TD]LD[/TD]

[TD]
2.525​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
35​
[/TD]

[TD]Topias Leinonen[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]

[TD]
2.5​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
27​
[/TD]

[TD]Sean Keohane[/TD]
[TD]LD[/TD]

[TD]
2.45​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
29​
[/TD]

[TD]Ethan Miedema[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]

[TD]
2.45​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
36​
[/TD]

[TD]Simon-Pier Brunet[/TD]
[TD]RD[/TD]

[TD]
2.45​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
37​
[/TD]

[TD]Stiven Sardarian[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
2.425​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
38​
[/TD]

[TD]Gustav Karlsson[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]
2.35​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
39​
[/TD]

[TD]Norwin Panocha[/TD]
[TD]LD[/TD]

[TD]
2.275​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
0​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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Why is Neuchev so high on your list, I don't have much info about him, may you elaborate why he is nearly the same as Kulich for you?
Thank you!
 
debaser66 said:
Why is Neuchev so high on your list, I don't have much info about him, may you elaborate why he is nearly the same as Kulich for you?
Thank you!
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I really liked his second half of the season so that gave him a little bump in the development pace part of the equation. I was surprised when I saw him there too.

I also don't have Sardarian listed. Weird. Updating it again. :laugh:
 
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