No, he needs seasoning playing against men. He may be rated higher than the others but RyJo and Novikov are definitely ahead on the depth chartI guess my question at this point for those who are high on Komorov, does he jump ahead of Johnson on the depth chart and get a callup before RyJo?
I guess my question at this point for those who are high on Komorov, does he jump ahead of Johnson on the depth chart and get a callup before RyJo?
My question is: can you make the argument that Johnson is a first- round talent at this point when you compare him to everyone else in his draft class?I guess my question at this point for those who are high on Komorov, does he jump ahead of Johnson on the depth chart and get a callup before RyJo?
Pronman had Johnson at 52 in a 2019 redraft from October. Granted that was before he had a nice season.My question is: can you make the argument that Johnson is a first- round talent at this point when you compare him to everyone else in his draft class?
Two months ago, AGM Jerry Forton said he could make that argument for Komorov.
Rank | Player | Position | Total |
1 | Devon Levi | G | 4.325 |
2 | Konsta Helenius | C/RW | 4.275 |
3 | Jiri Kulich | C | 3.925 |
4 | Viktor Neuchev | LW | 3.825 |
5 | Isak Rosen | RW | 3.7 |
6 | Noah Ostlund | C | 3.7 |
7 | Anton Wahlberg | C/LW | 3.6 |
8 | Vsevolod Komarov | RD | 3.6 |
9 | Nikita Novikov | LD | 3.5 |
10 | Ryan Johnson | LD | 3.475 |
11 | Scott Ratzlaff | G | 3.375 |
12 | Viljama Marjala | LW | 3.375 |
13 | Ryerson Leenders | G | 3.375 |
15 | Maxim Strbak | RD | 3.225 |
14 | Adam Kleber | RD | 3.175 |
16 | Zach Metsa | RD | 3.125 |
17 | Jake Richard | RW | 3.1 |
18 | Alexander Kisakov | F | 3.075 |
19 | Vasili Zelenov | RW | 3.025 |
20 | Prokhor Poltapov | RW | 3 |
22 | Brody Ziemer | RW/C | 3 |
21 | Lukas Rousek | LW/RW | 2.975 |
23 | Tyson Kozak | C | 2.925 |
24 | Gavin McCarthy | RD | 2.925 |
25 | William Von Barneknow | LW/C | 2.875 |
26 | Aaron Huglen | C | 2.85 |
28 | Matteo Costantini | C | 2.775 |
33 | Luke Osburn | LD | 2.775 |
31 | Joel Ratkovic Berndtsson | RW | 2.7 |
30 | Olivier Nadeau | RW | 2.675 |
32 | Jakub Konecny | C | 2.55 |
34 | Patrick Geary | LD | 2.525 |
35 | Topias Leinonen | G | 2.5 |
27 | Sean Keohane | LD | 2.45 |
29 | Ethan Miedema | LW | 2.45 |
36 | Simon-Pier Brunet | RD | 2.45 |
37 | Stiven Sardarian | C | 2.425 |
38 | Gustav Karlsson | C | 2.35 |
39 | Norwin Panocha | LD | 2.275 |
0 |
Strbak has a higher ceiling and defensive defensemen don't shiver many timbers unless they're laying waste to bodies left and right.Curious what those voting Strbak (last poll #13) over Novikov (#9) saw last year to cause the jump? I'm struggling to think of any way that Strbak's season was more impressive.
Novikov is becoming the most underrated prospect in the system.
I understand that. I'm just not sure why Strbak's or Novikov's projected ceiling/floor materially changed from last summer's poll to warrant the change in rank. What do you regard each's ceiling to be?Strbak has a higher ceiling and defensive defensemen don't shiver many timbers unless they're laying waste to bodies left and right.
I don't base my grade solely on what did you do but where are they going to be in a few years.
I understand that. I'm just not sure why Strbak's or Novikov's projected ceiling/floor materially changed from last summer's poll to warrant the change in rank. What do you regard each's ceiling to be?
It's not like Strbak had a productive NCAA season that revealed a higher offensive potential. I like his skill set to develop more offense eventually, but it still has a long way to go and is no sure thing.
If anything, Novikov's 3-20-23 in 65 AHL games with no PP time showed that he at least has a chance to be more than a total black hole offensively. That combined with the underrated instincts jumping into plays that Chain mentioned, and his defensive acumen, equals a very underrated kid who has a pretty obvious path to a decade-long career in the league.
Novikov looks like he'll cap at a 5/6 while Strbak could be a 4. Being a RHD also tips the scale a bitI understand that. I'm just not sure why Strbak's or Novikov's projected ceiling/floor materially changed from last summer's poll to warrant the change in rank. What do you regard each's ceiling to be?
It's not like Strbak had a productive NCAA season that revealed a higher offensive potential. I like his skill set to develop more offense eventually, but it still has a long way to go and is no sure thing.
If anything, Novikov's 3-20-23 in 65 AHL games with no PP time showed that he at least has a chance to be more than a total black hole offensively. That combined with the underrated instincts jumping into plays that Chain mentioned, and his defensive acumen, equals a very underrated kid who has a pretty obvious path to a decade-long career in the league.
I don't like judging based of projections, it's not accurate and it's based off favoritism or feeling.Novikov looks like he'll cap at a 5/6 while Strbak could be a 4. Being a RHD also tips the scale a bit
I mean, there's not much objective about any of this and it's just for fun. Whether "A" prospects or "B" prospects, the only criteria ever is who we like more. I'm just interested in drilling down into the "why" sometimes. That's where we actually learn and start to figure things out imo.We’re now in the territory where it’s the B prospects and people are voting who they like more. There’s no criteria now other than who they like more.
You have to make projections, that's largely what this exercise is. There's no real use in just ranking "what have they accomplished to date." That's just one part of the puzzle.Novikov, Hoooats pretty much said why. The what have you done so far factor is why he's at the top of the next group.
I don't like judging based of projections, it's not accurate and it's based off favoritism or feeling.
I don't like judging based of projections, it's not accurate and it's based off favoritism or feeling.
Why is Neuchev so high on your list, I don't have much info about him, may you elaborate why he is nearly the same as Kulich for you?My list that I've had and been making mild adjustments every now and then:
*Yes, I know Metsa is not signed to an NHL deal.
Rank Player Position Total 1Devon Levi G 4.325 2Konsta Helenius C/RW 4.275 3Jiri Kulich C 3.925 4Viktor Neuchev LW 3.825 5Isak Rosen RW 3.7 6Noah Ostlund C 3.7 7Anton Wahlberg C/LW 3.6 8Vsevolod Komarov RD 3.6 9Nikita Novikov LD 3.5 10Ryan Johnson LD 3.475 11Scott Ratzlaff G 3.375 12Viljama Marjala LW 3.375 13Ryerson Leenders G 3.375 15Maxim Strbak RD 3.225 14Adam Kleber RD 3.175 16Zach Metsa RD 3.125 17Jake Richard RW 3.1 18Alexander Kisakov F 3.075 19Vasili Zelenov RW 3.025 20Prokhor Poltapov RW 3 22Brody Ziemer RW/C 3 21Lukas Rousek LW/RW 2.975 23Tyson Kozak C 2.925 24Gavin McCarthy RD 2.925 25William Von Barneknow LW/C 2.875 26Aaron Huglen C 2.85 28Matteo Costantini C 2.775 33Luke Osburn LD 2.775 31Joel Ratkovic Berndtsson RW 2.7 30Olivier Nadeau RW 2.675 32Jakub Konecny C 2.55 34Patrick Geary LD 2.525 35Topias Leinonen G 2.5 27Sean Keohane LD 2.45 29Ethan Miedema LW 2.45 36Simon-Pier Brunet RD 2.45 37Stiven Sardarian C 2.425 38Gustav Karlsson C 2.35 39Norwin Panocha LD 2.275 0
Why is Neuchev so high on your list, I don't have much info about him, may you elaborate why he is nearly the same as Kulich for you?
Thank you!