Stammertime91
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Thats an extra 1.24 Selke-meter points in trade value.Cirelli's doesn't kick in until next year, extra trade value there.
Thats an extra 1.24 Selke-meter points in trade value.Cirelli's doesn't kick in until next year, extra trade value there.
Thats an extra 1.24 Selke-meter points in trade value.
Strongly disagree. I think you overestimate scouting departments and GMs. GMs get fleeced all the time. I mean, its.comical to keep bringing him into the fold but look at Jeannot. GMs overpay for what they believe their team lacks/needs all the time. A team like Toronto would absolutely cream their loser panties to get Cirelli. The amount of teams that would have interest in Cirelli is more than we'd guess. I imagine every team with 4M in cap space would call to see what it would take.cirelli has negative trade value i have no idea how you people think we’re trading him.
Knowing Jbb we will sign some Canadian enforcers and old guys that are past their primes and call it a day.So we let Stamkos walk, trade Cirelli and Cernak and sign Reinhart, McMichael and Hronek.
Am I doing this right?
He shouldn't feel particularly married to playing for us at this point. Barely plays and we're a non contender, I bet he waives for any place that'll actually play him.16 teams is half the league. I think the bottom teams on his "no" list and the top teams will not trade for him so it's not easy.
Lol his trade value isnt close to negative. Although I agree we aren't trading him.cirelli has negative trade value i have no idea how you people think we’re trading him.
If he had a year or two left on his contract it would be fine but no one is trading for a middle 6 forward who is a bit overpaid for the next million yearsLol his trade value isnt close to negative. Although I agree we aren't trading him.
I really think we got spoiled with good contracts and are out of touch with how much players make in this league. Not the bargain contracts, but the market value contracts.
What corps of Hedman and Stamkos? They're 33 and 34 and in great shape. Stamkos literally played like one of the top players in the league for the past 30 games.im ok with blowing it all up, it's ok to not be good for awhile. i dont want to be the penguins and capitals getting blown out in the first round every year and parading out the corpses of hedman and stamkos for the next 5 years.
if there is a deal to be made, trade everyone not named cirelli/serge/vasy/kucherov, imo. and lets build through the draft.
Teams like guys in their mid twenties to have term.If he had a year or two left on his contract it would be fine but no one is trading for a middle 6 forward who is a bit overpaid for the next million years
There are no good answers. I think the Cirelli option should be on the table but losing him crushes our depth even more.I'm on the trade Cirelli for D train. We need a better bottom 6 too.
Look at our strengths vs weaknesses right now:
Strengths: Top 6
Weaknesses: Bottom 6, defense, depth, draft capital
We can get into specifics after that like we need a large, puck-moving RHD, or a power forward or whatever, but sports deals are pretty much always made trading a strength to improve a weakness.
The last month or so of the regular season tricked us into believing we were a better team than we actually are. This team was never making it to a cup final, for example. The defense is too atrocious. We need better D, and more depth scoring. Those are the two things that torched us in the regular season, and failed us further in this last playoff series. To get those things, we need to give up pretty much the only thing we have, which is a little depth on top (celery). Not saying trading him will get us everything we need, but it's a step. We all know top-heavy teams don't make it far in this sport. Better depth all around = more success for any team.
You're talking 30 games. I wouldnt short change that. Also, that second line was great the last couple months.There are no good answers. I think the Cirelli option should be on the table but losing him crushes our depth even more.
Our top-six is... ok? It's our top line that's good, but the our second line tends to be below average. And as good as Stamkos has been for the past two months, he was pretty ineffective 5v5 until the tdl. It's just hard to imagine our offense being driven by more than one line.
the cap has gutted us. It was inevitable and we put it off longer than anyone thought we could. But it caught up to his and here we are.
No bad.......Stammer-Paul-Kuch
Hagel-Cirelli-Point
?-?-?
Motte-Glendening-Eyssimont
Hedman-Cernak
Serg-?
Lilleberg-Raddysh
And you have like 10 million for the whole 3rd line+top 4 RD
There are no good answers. I think the Cirelli option should be on the table but losing him crushes our depth even more.
Our top-six is... ok? It's our top line that's good, but the our second line tends to be below average. And as good as Stamkos has been for the past two months, he was pretty ineffective 5v5 until the tdl. It's just hard to imagine our offense being driven by more than one line.
the cap has gutted us. It was inevitable and we put it off longer than anyone thought we could. But it caught up to his and here we are.
How? 40 point players are a dime a dozen. The problem is NOT having depth because he costs 6.25m and produces less than that value.
The cap isn't what's hurting us, it's holding onto contracts that aren't providing value. We have outs on all of Sergachev, Cirelli and Cernak contracts should we need to move them. If we want to sit on an iffy-defensive 8.5M dman playing a #2 role and no PP time and a 6.25M 3rd line center then yeah we're shooting ourselves in the foot.
1. Dumba slotted the defense better for a bit and probably made the dressing room better, but his on ice play wasn't good especially as the end of regular season got closer and in the playoffs. Duclair was very good in the regular season but slowed during the final week or two and his game isn't really made for the playoffsCouple things:
1) Can we have a little nuance with the TDL deals. Both Dumba and Duclair played a big role (whether in the locker room or on the ice) in getting us on a run and into the playoffs. JBB had scraps to work with and he was able to accomplish that. At the same time, both guys bombed in the playoffs and contributed nothing. Both can be true.
2) I don't think it's that we didn't have any depth, it's that we have the wrong depth. Sheary, Jeannot and Duclair were literal scratches in the playoffs. That's brutal. These are your depth guys. On paper, these guys should have been able to make somewhat of a difference. Instead they literally did nothing. Replacing them should be a top priority this year.
3) Sheading salary to make room for Stamkos and replace the above players is the top priority. If you want to bring Duclair back fine. But I wouldn't pay him shit. Sheary HAS TO go. He is a scratch. Jeannot and Cirelli I would look at as cap relief.
Thays pretty much what I said lol1. Dumba slotted the defense better for a bit and probably made the dressing room better, but his on ice play wasn't good especially as the end of regular season got closer and in the playoffs. Duclair was very good in the regular season but slowed during the final week or two and his game isn't really made for the playoffs