HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[skidcells]

Should Demidov fall to us at 5 then the move is to trade up using the WPG pick and get MBN in the 12-17 range. Sennecke won’t be there at that spot nor would Iginla. MBN is the perfect counterbalance to Demidov on a line and both players would complement each other perfectly.

 

[Mrb1p]

Should Demidov fall to us at 5 then the move is to trade up using the WPG pick and get MBN in the 12-17 range. Sennecke won’t be there at that spot nor would Iginla. MBN is the perfect counterbalance to Demidov on a line and both players would complement each other perfectly.

Can't trade up to 12-17 without moving 5 IMO.

 

[le_sean]

From the highlights I've seen, Sennecke looks slippery like Perry. Height and weight are similar. That is all I see. Obviously many other aspects of the game.

Yeah, like what exactly? Because I watched Perry in 2003 and I don’t see how they are similar. Perry was slow even for pre-lockout standards, which is why he was rated lower. A true Dale Hunter player - do whatever it takes to win. Silky mitts near the crease is how he got his goals.

Sennecke is fast, not afraid of contact but not an initiator, and he plays up high on the PP, not net front.

I just don’t see it. I prefer the Rick Nash comparison even though Nash was a bulldozer, he was far more finesse like Sennecke.

 

[The Great Weal]

While both should realistically bring similar value, I see much more upside in Sennecke. Every single tool he has favors him, the only thing that I prefer for MBN is that he's a wrecking ball and probably the best puck hound in the draft.

Ultimately, I don't want to pick Sennecke at 5, I don't see him as an equal to any of Demidov, Lindstrom, Iggy or Catton.

The 10-15 range is fantastic also and I'd love to be able to trade back but no one really has the horses to tango. The only picks available would be Flames 9 and 29, if they really want to snag Iginla but I'm not sure it's worth it. I'd probably do it if they added #41 though. 9-29-41 for 5 ?

Pick the faller of Demidov, Catton, Iginla, Buium, Sennecke, Levshunov, Lindstrom, Dickinson, Helenius, Silayev, Parekh and then try to move up again with 29-41-58 in the top 15 to grab the other one. If there's no D left at #14, Im sure Sharks would entertain that. Maybe even send one of Harris, Struble or Barron their way.

9 and 15 instead of 5. I'm a mastermind.

Yeah for me if Demidov/Lindstrom are already picked, I'd like to trade down to around the Flames pick. The issue is that we need to be confident that we can trade up with the Jets pick+asset(s) we got from the Flames into that early to mid-teen range because otherwise it would kind of be a fail.

Devils will likely trade the pick for a goalie. Sabres won't need more picks, they need more proven NHL players. I have no clue what the f*** the Flyers are doing so maybe they could make such a trade, wouldn't be the first time. Minny needs more NHL players rather than later picks. Sharks need more high end prospects, they already traded down recently with the Geekie pick. Wings/Blues don't really need more picks.

So really it's potentially the Flyers, the team that likely makes the trade with the Devils by giving them a goalie (maybe it's Calgary and they would entertain trading back with the start of the rebuild and a top 5 pick from us), or it's just a roster player trade which seems unlikely.

 

[jaffy27]

While I am not remotely an expert on amateur scouting, this player is flying under the radar it seems.

Just feels like top 5 picks shouldn’t be flying “under the radar”

I’m sure he’ll be a heck of a player but I’ll be honest, I wouldn’t feel great about it but that’s just me who’s never watched or scouted him!

 

[Playmaker09]

And y'all say Catton's a pushover. He's solid on his feet.

 

[Whitesnake]

While both should realistically bring similar value, I see much more upside in Sennecke. Every single tool he has favors him, the only thing that I prefer for MBN is that he's a wrecking ball and probably the best puck hound in the draft.

Ultimately, I don't want to pick Sennecke at 5, I don't see him as an equal to any of Demidov, Lindstrom, Iggy or Catton.

The 10-15 range is fantastic also and I'd love to be able to trade back but no one really has the horses to tango. The only picks available would be Flames 9 and 29, if they really want to snag Iginla but I'm not sure it's worth it. I'd probably do it if they added #41 though. 9-29-41 for 5 ?

Pick the faller of Demidov, Catton, Iginla, Buium, Sennecke, Levshunov, Lindstrom, Dickinson, Helenius, Silayev, Parekh and then try to move up again with 29-41-58 in the top 15 to grab the other one. If there's no D left at #14, Im sure Sharks would entertain that. Maybe even send one of Harris, Struble or Barron their way.

9 and 15 instead of 5. I'm a mastermind.


Iginla shot up the rankings in a 10 months span.

Sennecke shot up the ranking in a ten game span.

Very different development.

Usually, the only reason we see players with more upside is because of how they look like now. As, we are not talking about a Sennecke at 220 but 170. Which means more growth. While you look at MBN and feel he already has the body of a NHL'er. But....it doesn't mean the tangent that both players will take skillswise.

Frankly people were happy at 5....I wasn't. It was 1, 2, or 7. 'Cause at 7, you might feel more at ease to really pick BPA even if it's Buium. And or can trade back a little without thinking you give too much.

 

[jaffy27]

Really feels like Sennecke has moved ahead of Iginla when people around the draft or Habs talk about them, doesn't it?

Who’s talking him up like he’s a top 5 though, like legit people, not Twitter Joe Blow or posters of that ilk….

 

[WeThreeKings]

Who’s talking him up like he’s a top 5 though, like legit people, not Twitter Joe Blow or posters of that ilk….

One scout on Bob's list had him 5, 2 others top 10.
Pronman has mentioned him at 5 with Habs.
Grant obviously (hate the guy but he's got contacts)
Basu just mentioned it on his pod.

 

[Whitesnake]

I guess we didn't see everything last year behind closed doors....'cause it does sure seem that everybody agreed with Reinbacher. But this year...there's just no way they all agree on the same player.

 

[WeThreeKings]

1. Demidov
2. Lindstrom
3. Levshunov if somehow available
4. Trade down if Silayev is on the board and someone will pay.
5. Sennecke/Iginla

Looks like where we are with the info we have so far which likely changes as the combine happens.

 

[Whitesnake]

One scout on Bob's list had him 5, 2 others top 10.
Pronman has mentioned him at 5 with Habs.
Grant obviously (hate the guy but he's got contacts)
Basu just mentioned it on his pod.

McCagg is awful. Think of himself way too high. Has often stupid takes, i mean insane.

But...yeah...the ONLY thing he has is contacts. While the guy sometimes seem to portrait as if he has himself a player that high.....it's not true. What is true is that he hears things from people. So it's pretty clear to me that Sennecke is indeed in play at 5.

 

[le_sean]

And y'all say Catton's a pushover. He's solid on his feet.

How convenient that the video stops before showing Iginla getting the takedown and putting Catton in a headlock.

 

[DAChampion]

Another take is I don't understand why we are so high on Cayden Lindstrom when he only played 32 games. I just wished we had more viewing of him. His play coming back from surgery was not the best, but that was expected.

Galchenyuk played 33 games but scored 61 pts. Much more than Lindstrom's 46. And Galchenyuk had a tremendous D-1 season with 83 pts.

Galchenyuk's 61 points in 33 games were not in his draft year but in his D+1 year. Galchenyuk then proceeded to have an excellent NHL rookie campaign, 27 points in 48 games, entirely at even strength. He was a good player, a great natural talent, he just regressed due to non hockey factors.

 

[MM425]

And y'all say Catton's a pushover. He's solid on his feet.

Wow … it’s a short clip but looks like Catton got the better of him giving up an inch or two and about 15 pounds. Does not look to me like this was his first time dropping the gloves either. Pretty uncommon for a top CHL scoring forward to show this kind of sandpaper.

I would be ecstatic if we got him at 5.

 

[Ozmodiar]

And y'all say Catton's a pushover. He's solid on his feet.

And ended up with 116 points

 

[waitin425]

Yeah, like what exactly? Because I watched Perry in 2003 and I don’t see how they are similar. Perry was slow even for pre-lockout standards, which is why he was rated lower. A true Dale Hunter player - do whatever it takes to win. Silky mitts near the crease is how he got his goals.

Sennecke is fast, not afraid of contact but not an initiator, and he plays up high on the PP, not net front.

I just don’t see it. I prefer the Rick Nash comparison even though Nash was a bulldozer, he was far more finesse like Sennecke.

You misinterpreted what I was trying to say. Many aspects to the game overall. I listed the two things I see as similar. His stickhandling and size. Many other aspects that are not similar. Le whew! Settle down mon ami

 

[le_sean]

You misinterpreted what I was trying to say. Many aspects to the game overall. I listed the two things I see as similar. His stickhandling and size. Many other aspects that are not similar. Le whew! Settle down mon ami

I’m settled down, I was just genuinely curious if I was missing something.

 

[waitin425]

I’m settled down, I was just genuinely curious if I was missing something.

I love Sennecke. I will not be disappointed if we end up with him!

 

[MasterMatt25]

I could see Bobrov and the team being hesitant about Lindstrom due to his injury concerns.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

In regards to Pronman's rankings, I think those are a legit possibility.

SJ - No brainer they are taking Celebrini

Chicago - In my opinion, based on their prospect pool, they are going D. My guess is they are putting the Demidov talk out to see if they can get a haul worth moving back if someone desperately wants him.

Anaheim - Since Verbeek came around, he's wanted guys with size and grit. He's traded Drysdale and there are plenty of rumours about trading Zegras, so wouldn't be surprised to see him go for Silayev.

Columbus - Johnson, Sillinger and Jiricek have had some ups and downs since being drafted, I think Columbus will go with a safer pick rather than a higher ceiling player with a chance to bust. Dickinson makes lots of sense as he looks like a guy with a very high chance of being a pro who can log big minutes and be a stable partner to help Jiricek to reach his potential.

 

[Seb]

Usually, the only reason we see players with more upside is because of how they look like now. As, we are not talking about a Sennecke at 220 but 170. Which means more growth. While you look at MBN and feel he already has the body of a NHL'er. But....it doesn't mean the tangent that both players will take skillswise.

Frankly people were happy at 5....I wasn't. It was 1, 2, or 7. 'Cause at 7, you might feel more at ease to really pick BPA even if it's Buium. And or can trade back a little without thinking you give too much.

At 5 there's a chance Demidov or Lindstrom is available.

At 7 there's 0 chance.

5 is looking pretty damn good and we all should be very happy.

 

[Playmaker09]

London winning the Mem Cup and pushing Dickinson into the top 4 would be huge.

 

[Whitesnake]

We love 1st rounders. So instead of trading down our pick for 2 picks in the 1st round....I suspect we get 1 pick in the 1st round and....an ex-1st rounder....

For example....how much would Calgary be willing to pay for our 5th....their 9th and...Pelletier? We add something and they add....Coronato? lol. Bigger deal involving Pospisil who is the flavour of the month?

Devils....10th and Holtz? For our 5th and something? All depends of the other teams interest of moving up....but I think that moving down for 2 picks....only Calgary can do it.

 

[le_sean]

Again, Lindstrom was on pace for 57 goals. Let’s say he doesn’t get hurt and he “just” gets 50. A 6’4 215 lbs Canadian centre with 50 goals is easily the consensus 2nd rated player in this draft. The decision at 5 is easy if he’s there.