EddieTheEagle
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If this was possible, I would do this without a doubt. I do wish this happened but really doubt it would. I'd even take 13-15th overall.
2024 NHL Draft Thread Part 2 - Picks 2 & 18 in the 1st Round
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Kevin Musto
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I don't disagree with that.
I think Parekh has a higher offensive ceiling than Buium though. Parekh is a better skater too.
Those factors give him an edge for me.
Tack on that bum Lukas Reichel and we can easily move into that range
dreadpirateroberts
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Looking at the NHL CS final rankings, imagine if they got Demidov at 2, Hage at 20, Surin at 34, and Hutson in the late 2nd. Whew
I think Jett Luchanko could easily be the Hawks target at 20.....seems to fit the KD mode completely....of course, it depends on what happens and who's still on the table, but just sayin'
Castle8130
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The picks at #20 and #34 barring we don't move up are probably going to be structural picks. So I'm betting the Hawks are looking at bigger forwards and offensive minded defensemen. Usually in those ranges you are looking at a few guys that are all the same level of prospects. It's not like a top 10 pick where you pick BPA no matter what
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I don't value 2nd round picks that much but doesn't this chart disprove its own estimations by saying the proper return value would be in the 9-12 range?
If we pick 10th in the draft next year and KD trades that for #20 + #34 I'd be pissed. The value of these draft picks going down very quickly outside of the top 15 or so. You're WAY more likely to get a good to great player in the 9-12 range than you'd be to get two good players at 20 and 34 no?
WarriorofTime
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20 -> 10 is only ten spots at the end of the day. A 2nd doesn't have to be that valued since you're not making up so many spots. It's not infeasible at all that 10th ends up nothing because 10th is already well within the "yeah they can definitely bust" range, and 20th ends up really good, or they both end up nothing and 34th ends up good.
It's really the extra bite of the apple with another pick, only 14 slots later. The actual picks matter less than expected value, but you can look through.
2008: Cody Hodgson vs. Michael Del Zotto and Jake Allen
2009: Magnus Paajarvi vs. Jacob Josefson and Carl Klingberg
2010: Dylan McIlrath vs. Beau Bennett and Dalton Smith
2011: Jonas Brodin vs. Connor Murphy and Scott Mayfield
2012: Slater Koekkeok vs. Scott Laughton and Ville Pokka
2013: Valeri Nichushkin vs. Anthony Mantha and Jacob De La Rose
2014: Nick Ritchie vs. Nick Schmaltz and Mason McDonald
2015: Mikko Rantanen vs. Joel Eriksson Ek and Travis Dermott
2016: Tyson Jost vs. Dennis Cholowski and Andrew Peeke
2017: Owen Tippett vs. Robert Thomas and Nicolas Hague
2018: Evan Bouchard vs. Rasmus Kupari and Serron Noel
2019: Vasili Podkolzin vs. Ville Heinola and Bobby Brink
2020: Cole Perfetti vs. Shakir Mukhamadullin and John Peterka
2021: Tyler Boucher vs. Jesper Wallstedt and Olen Zellwegger
2022: Pavel Mintyukov vs. Ivan Miroshnichenko and Cam Lund
2023: Dalibor Dvorsky vs. Eduard Sale and Gavin Brindley
Some years give a clear winner one way, some years give a clear winner the other way. Some years it's just crap all around. However, I can look at that and think "yeah it's probably a fairly even trade". I think people maybe are a bit caught off by a 10th overall pick busting or a 20th finding success as "big surprises" but you're already passed the so-called 'sure things' by that point anyways.
hockeydoug
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Completely agree. Do not trade down unless it's one of those extra late firsts or 2nds.
It's extremely rare more than 5 players from 16 through the end of the 2nd are first line/pair/g core type picks. Many of those are only really good for 4-6 years as well. Hawks need a core, not a bunch of 2nd pair/mid 6 types.
Kevin Musto
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The speed is there for sure.
But he's a smaller player that defers that puck.
20 is a bit too high for me. But good value in the 2nd round.
One of the youngest in the draft.Played a big role in the U18’s for Canada.Will fill out more as he has a decent frame.
Draft Demidov #2 and use some assets to move up with our second pick to get a Yakemchuk or Iginila, if they start falling. Praying this happens.
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Connor BeJesus
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Pick 20 should be another forward.Solberg a really mean defenseman with our first second rounder would be a nice add.Nygaard and Solberg two Norwegians.Size and both good skaters.
Hawkaholic
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Beckett Sennicke surely is a riser on many NHL teans boards ...Hawks should take hom at 20 if he lasts that long now..
The question therefore is should we tradevup a few spotsxto gwtvhom?
We can package a 2 picks for one deal involving our #20 and one of our 2nds.. but other teams with multiple picks could also do that to movevup.
So hard to know if KD can pull it off.
The question therefore is should we tradevup a few spotsxto gwtvhom?
We can package a 2 picks for one deal involving our #20 and one of our 2nds.. but other teams with multiple picks could also do that to movevup.
So hard to know if KD can pull it off.
NJ does not have ax2nd roubd pick...
So IF Hawks decide to try to move up from#20 maybe NJ would move down from 10 to 20 + get #34 and our first 3rd rounder?
Or amotger team tgat might drop down for a good haul is Detroit at #15 ...In that case they only move down 5 spots...but would get #34 .. as the sweetener.
We have the draft capital to try to move up..
Anotger possible sweetener is to give up one of our plethora of LD ..eg .Nolan Allen and make a larger deal..
Kd has lots of strategies he could try to movevup.
If we dod move to #10we might consider Carter Yakemchuk instead of securing Sennicke ..
So IF Hawks decide to try to move up from#20 maybe NJ would move down from 10 to 20 + get #34 and our first 3rd rounder?
Or amotger team tgat might drop down for a good haul is Detroit at #15 ...In that case they only move down 5 spots...but would get #34 .. as the sweetener.
We have the draft capital to try to move up..
Anotger possible sweetener is to give up one of our plethora of LD ..eg .Nolan Allen and make a larger deal..
Kd has lots of strategies he could try to movevup.
If we dod move to #10we might consider Carter Yakemchuk instead of securing Sennicke ..
dreadpirateroberts
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Unless Jiricek falls to 20, I don’t think there is a RHD worth taking at that spot. You could take Emery but is he really a top 20 player? I don’t think so. It seems like an overreach
CallMeShaft
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Powers asks 9 different draft experts their opinion on who the Hawks should take between Demidov and Levshunov. Only Corey Pronman picks Lev.
WarriorofTime
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It’s an overreach I suppose but he fills a spot of need and if you like the prospect, you can’t count on him being around 14 picks later so you shouldn’t try and get fancy. The 20th pick doesn’t need to be a swing for the fences if you’ve already taken Bedard and Demidov the last couple years.
dj Mahoney
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Yes Agreed , hopefully both Norwegians are still on the board when we make our picks !! Skol
Kevin Musto
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Higher likelihood he goes top 10 than him making it to 20.
I could see a team like Ottawa taking him at 7.
We're going to see a run of D taken off the board.
Lev, Buium, Silayev, Parekh, Dickinson, Yakemchuk. They're all gonna fly off the board.
