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NHL Entry Draft 2024 NHL Draft Talk
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Senator Stanley
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Draft best player available, not best name available.
Staois's nightmares should have nothing to do with it. Tij is obviously good and someone to consider, but he's not the same player as his father.
Dan Patrick
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Was watching some tape on Sennecke who looks sick. Only scored just above a ppg in the regular season but has been lights out in the playoffs. He’s also grown like half a foot in the last 24 months so could just be getting used to his body. He’s listed at 6’2 180 right now but could end up being measured at like 6’3+ at the combine. Great skating, great vision, big game player, with tons of potential is the kind of guy who end up being steals in the first round.
BondraTime
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I wouldn't be looking his way at 7, wouldn't be a guy I'd personally consider.
Eye of the beholder and all, I'm sure he'd be a guy, or the guy for many
Senator Stanley
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Why not Iginla? He's one of the youngest players in the draft and has put up really solid numbers.
BrawlFan
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I’d trade back in this draft and pick up a D.
Calgary wants Iginla? Let’s make a big trade. Pick up a player and some draft capital if we go further back. But I doubt we make our pick at 7 or higher. I see us picking around 15.
I could see both first traded along with chych this year for a later first this year, a D, a first next year, and a prospect.
That would undo some damage done in the previous couple years. A prospect to offset one year and a sound defender
Calgary wants Iginla? Let’s make a big trade. Pick up a player and some draft capital if we go further back. But I doubt we make our pick at 7 or higher. I see us picking around 15.
I could see both first traded along with chych this year for a later first this year, a D, a first next year, and a prospect.
That would undo some damage done in the previous couple years. A prospect to offset one year and a sound defender
Tij would be a fine pick at 7.
However if Calgary were to offer Vancouver's 1st or their 2nd to move up from 9 to pick him, I think I'd take it.
So much parity in the 6-12 range. Lots of prospects that are in the same tier where I have trouble placing one above another.
However if Calgary were to offer Vancouver's 1st or their 2nd to move up from 9 to pick him, I think I'd take it.
So much parity in the 6-12 range. Lots of prospects that are in the same tier where I have trouble placing one above another.
BondraTime
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The guys who would be available would be in a higher tier for me, I'd be fine if we choose Iginla, but there are 8ish guys who I'd have solidly ahead of him if I were running the draft.
Celebrini
Demidov
Buium
Siliyev
Levshunov
Dickinson
Lindstrom
Catton
Helenius
Parekh
Iginla
Yakemchuk
Connolly
Brandsegg-Nygard
Sennecke
Any of those guys I'll be perfectly fine taking. I wouldn't be taking Iginla if any of the guys in the top 3 groups were available.
What I think doesn't much matter, the scouts may very well have Iginla very high.
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It'd be funny to pick mini Iggy and to see CGY offer a solid package like the 9th overall, Vancouver's 1st, and maybe even Vegas's pick in 2026 lol for a chance to draft Iggy.
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Senator Stanley
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Those are just two factors among so, so many.
Does his production matter? Sure, but most guys in the top 12 have put up really good numbers. Yakemchuk scored 30 goals and isn't in Bob's top 10. Cole Eiserman broke the USNTDP goal scoring record and isn't in Bob's top 10.
Does relative age matter? Sure, it can definitely indicate more runway in some cases. But personally, I think people around here put too much of an emphasis on it because - like stats - it takes no effort to point to.
Masked
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But with Iginla there doesn't seem to be any concerns about his game. I admit I say this not having watched any of these players but just reading off what others have said. But Eiserman seems to be a one dimensional player and Yakemchuk, like most defencemen, there are always questions at how well he'll defend at the next level. Yakemchuk is also a year older than Iginla.
As for age, I'd say you're correct there is more runway for a younger player but I'd also note the year they were born is important as well. I'd expect more production from a player born late in the year (Oct-Dec) because they should be a year ahead of the other draft eligibles.
My thoughts on Iginla, based upon secondhand info, is that he's a player who probably fits with the identity the team would like moving forward. To go along with his skill, he wins battles for pucks, he's strong, and he's a good two way player. Those aren't attributes I'm hearing a lot for the other potential picks for the Sens.
Senator Stanley
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I only point to Yakemchuk and Eiserman to show that having good numbers isn't what's going to separate players at the top of this draft. I'm not saying I necessarily would have either above Iginla (I'd go Iginla over Eiserman, for example).
There are obviously going to be a lot of good things to point to with a prospect like Iginla. It's how he stacks up against the other really good prospects that matters.
Masked
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I'm just trying to learn from @BondraTime about why Iginla wouldn't be on his list at #7 since he seems to have a more informed opinion about prospects than the vast majority on here.
Production isn't the reason Iginla will probably go top 10.
47 goals and 84 points in 64 games is pretty impressive, but it's more about how he put up those numbers.
He primarily played LW on Kelowna's 2nd line with inferior linemates because Cristall occupied the LW spot on the top line. Played a lot with Gojsic and Cicek, who aren't great playmakers and didn't do a lot to boost his numbers.
Same goes for the PP. Should have been the sniper on the top PP but Kelowna's coaching staff decided to keep the overager Szturc there since he plays with Cristall and has good chemistry with him.
That's not exactly the most condusive environment for putting up massive numbers. At first glance people will wonder why he's ranked below Catton, who had 30 more points, but when you're playing 5-10 minutes less a game and have to create most of your offense yourself, obviously your numbers won't be as good.
And obviously scouts don't care as much about numbers as fans do - they care about how a player will project at the NHL level. In that regard Tij shines. He's a very quick skater with an NHL level shot, quick hands and a good head on his shoulders. His development curve is very steep and he kept getting better and better as the season went along. Obviously NHL bloodlines also helps him. People will say he'll get drafted earlier than he should because he's an Iginla, but getting tips from his HOFer father after every game obviously has value.
Style-wise he reminds me quite a bit of Jack Quinn and I think he's also a comparable prospect in terms of upside. Don't think top line winger is unreasonable as far as his upside, but a fair projection is probably a good top 6 LW that can score 20-30G a year.
47 goals and 84 points in 64 games is pretty impressive, but it's more about how he put up those numbers.
He primarily played LW on Kelowna's 2nd line with inferior linemates because Cristall occupied the LW spot on the top line. Played a lot with Gojsic and Cicek, who aren't great playmakers and didn't do a lot to boost his numbers.
Same goes for the PP. Should have been the sniper on the top PP but Kelowna's coaching staff decided to keep the overager Szturc there since he plays with Cristall and has good chemistry with him.
That's not exactly the most condusive environment for putting up massive numbers. At first glance people will wonder why he's ranked below Catton, who had 30 more points, but when you're playing 5-10 minutes less a game and have to create most of your offense yourself, obviously your numbers won't be as good.
And obviously scouts don't care as much about numbers as fans do - they care about how a player will project at the NHL level. In that regard Tij shines. He's a very quick skater with an NHL level shot, quick hands and a good head on his shoulders. His development curve is very steep and he kept getting better and better as the season went along. Obviously NHL bloodlines also helps him. People will say he'll get drafted earlier than he should because he's an Iginla, but getting tips from his HOFer father after every game obviously has value.
Style-wise he reminds me quite a bit of Jack Quinn and I think he's also a comparable prospect in terms of upside. Don't think top line winger is unreasonable as far as his upside, but a fair projection is probably a good top 6 LW that can score 20-30G a year.
Sens of Anarchy
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Chris Peters ... He is pretty good. I would say very good on the US prospects
Pre lottery.. discusses the top 10-16 players and U18 reviews
Here is his Mock Draft that followed
Pre lottery.. discusses the top 10-16 players and U18 reviews
Here is his Mock Draft that followed
aragorn
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Draft Ranking:
Celebrini C / Demidov RW
Lindstrom C/LW / Levshunov RD
Buium LD / Parekh RD
Dickinson LD / Silayev LD
Catton C/LW / Helenius C/RW
Yakemchuk RD /Eiserman LW
Iginila C/LW / Sennecke RW
Greentree RW / Brandsegg- Nygard RW
Mock Draft:
SJ - Celebrini C - should take the 1st OA player
Chi - Lindstrom C/LW - Chicago need a big centre or winger to play with Bedard
Ann - Demidov RW - next most skilled player in this draft
Colum - Eiserman LW - really good goal scorer
Mon - Catton C - very skilled C
Utah - Levshunov RD - falls to Utah formerly known as Phoenix
Ott - Parekh RD - highly skilled RD
Sea - Dickinson LD - big, good all around D
Cal - Iginla C/LW - not sure they can pass him up
NJ - Buium LD - highly skilled LD
Buff - Yakemchuk RD - big, physical point producer
Phi - Helenius C/RW - good all around forward
Minn - Sennecke RW - big, good scoring winger
SJ - Silayev LD - huge D with some skill
Det - Branndsegg- Nygard RW - good all around winger
STL - Greentree RW - big scoring winger
Celebrini C / Demidov RW
Lindstrom C/LW / Levshunov RD
Buium LD / Parekh RD
Dickinson LD / Silayev LD
Catton C/LW / Helenius C/RW
Yakemchuk RD /Eiserman LW
Iginila C/LW / Sennecke RW
Greentree RW / Brandsegg- Nygard RW
Mock Draft:
SJ - Celebrini C - should take the 1st OA player
Chi - Lindstrom C/LW - Chicago need a big centre or winger to play with Bedard
Ann - Demidov RW - next most skilled player in this draft
Colum - Eiserman LW - really good goal scorer
Mon - Catton C - very skilled C
Utah - Levshunov RD - falls to Utah formerly known as Phoenix
Ott - Parekh RD - highly skilled RD
Sea - Dickinson LD - big, good all around D
Cal - Iginla C/LW - not sure they can pass him up
NJ - Buium LD - highly skilled LD
Buff - Yakemchuk RD - big, physical point producer
Phi - Helenius C/RW - good all around forward
Minn - Sennecke RW - big, good scoring winger
SJ - Silayev LD - huge D with some skill
Det - Branndsegg- Nygard RW - good all around winger
STL - Greentree RW - big scoring winger
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bert
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Senator Stanley
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I'm still learning more about these prospects, but for what it's worth, the things that hold me back on Iginla at 7 are (1) the fact that he's a winger, (2) the fact that he's just an average sized winger who doesn't seem to bring a big physical element, and (3) just not being sold, at least yet, on first line, play-driving upside.
I like a lot about him:
-He can clearly shoot the puck and finish
-He gets himself into good spots, and generally thinks the game at a high level
-I've seen talk of tunnel vision but from what I've seen he looks capable of seeing the ice and finding teammates
-Physically, he's big enough and quick enough - there's nothing there that's going to hold him back
-He does a ton of little things really well - he steals pucks, he protects pucks well, etc.
All of this is subject to change, but right now I'm more comfortable with him as a 9-12 guy, and it really comes down to a personal bias against taking average sized wingers that high in the draft, unless I'm convinced they're a special talent. It's not because I don't think he'll play and be a quality NHLer.
bert
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There is absolutely no chance Buium drops that far. I guarantee it, he's going to be a top 6 pick. 50 points in 42 games as a freshman d. Didnt get scored on his last 8 games of the season which were all playoff and elmination games. He was better than Hutton at the WJC isnt tiny and is a year younger.
