It is a safe stupid pick, because Pinto is a third line player. You can not insert him in top six and hope for the miracle. We drafted before White as a stupid safe pick. We all know how it turned out. It is a pattern for a long time of bad scouting mistakes. We drafted Roby Jarventie instead of Peterka, which I projected him as a top 6 player. And Peterka would fit nicely with Stutzle with his 28 goals this season. And next season he is going to explode to 40 goals. I saw Jarventie highlights before the draft and he was a lazy kid, with heavy boots and low hockey IQ. Who needed a lot of development in minors. Mistakes like this, should never have happened. When scouts do their work scouting Stutzle playing with Peterka. What the f*ck really!
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Joeyjoejoe
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you are out to lunch man.
You insert round 4 #111 overall by Boston Bruins -Jeremy Swayman and Sens are making playoffs. Sens just never had a good scouting department.
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Joeyjoejoe
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you finally figured it out
Golden_Jet
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lol
Pinto is 15th in his draft class in points, despite playing less games than anyone ahead of him.
8th in p/gp.
He won the conference offensive and defensive player of the year, how many times has that been done.
Why don’t you share with the group, who you would of taken ahead of him at pick 32.
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BondraTime
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WHL draft happens when the kids are 14, so it’s a bit different than the OHL or Q with regards to size when drafted.Worth mentioning here that Carter Yakemchuk is a similar story. He was drafted into the WHL as a 5'9" offensive defenceman and is now listed as 6'3". It's hard to tell when exactly he hit his growth spurt, but watching him this year, he definitely has some of that same awkwardness in his skating and you wonder how much of it is the adjustment to his size.
Get To Know Carter Yakemchuk - Calgary Hitmen
Get to know Carter Yakemchuk who was the 65th overall pick in the third round of the 2020 WHL Bantamchl.ca
Last year 13/20 of the kids taken in the 1st were 5’10 or smaller, with seven 5’8 or smaller (two were 5’5)
You almost always see these guys grow a few inches before being able to join the WHL a year and a half later. 4ish inches in 4 years is still a growth spurt, but generally when you see the growth spurts happening give or take.
Benson was 5’5 120 the same draft, that’s wild
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Worth mentioning here that Carter Yakemchuk is a similar story. He was drafted into the WHL as a 5'9" offensive defenceman and is now listed as 6'3". It's hard to tell when exactly he hit his growth spurt, but watching him this year, he definitely has some of that same awkwardness in his skating and you wonder how much of it is the adjustment to his size.
Get To Know Carter Yakemchuk - Calgary Hitmen
Get to know Carter Yakemchuk who was the 65th overall pick in the third round of the 2020 WHL Bantam
Somewhat similar. The WHL actually drafts kids after their 14 year old season, which is a year earlier than the OHL and QMJHL, who draft kids after their 15 year old season.
So basically Yakemchuk grew about 5-6 inches in around 4 years from April 2020-April 2024, while Sennecke grew about 5 inches in 2 years since April 2022.
Oops it looks like Bondra covered this already
Sens of Anarchy
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Upside Hockey (E-Mac) rankings 1st round here .. more in the link
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32 | Round 1 -1 to 32 | 32 | 0 | 10 | 22 | |||||
1 | UH | Celebrini, Macklin | 115 | 6'0 | 190 | L | C | CDN | USA - NCAA | Boston University |
2 | UH | Demidov, Ivan | 136 | 5'11 | 181 | L | RW | RUS | RUS - MHL | SKA-1946 St. Petersburg |
3 | UH | Lindstrom, Cayden | 98 | 6'3 | 210 | L | C | CDN | CAN - WHL | Medicine Hat |
4 | UH | Buium, Zeev | 81 | 6'2 | 180 | L | D | USA | USA - NCAA | Denver |
5 | UH | Iginla, Tij | 89 | 6'0 | 182 | L | LW | CDN | CAN - WHL | Kelowna |
6 | UH | Dickinson, Sam | 70 | 6'2 | 199 | L | D | CDN | CAN - OHL | London |
7 | UH | Eiserman, Cole | 105 | 6'0 | 196 | L | LW | USA | USA - NTDP | USA - U18 NTDP |
8 | UH | Levshunov, Artyom | 63 | 6'2 | 208 | R | D | BLR | USA - NCAA | Michigan State |
9 | UH | Catton, Berkly | 116 | 5'10 | 170 | L | C | CDN | CAN - WHL | Spokane |
10 | UH | Parekh, Zayne | 99 | 6'0 | 179 | R | D | CDN | CAN - OHL | Saginaw |
11 | UH | Yaremchuk, Carter | 73 | 6'3 | 201 | R | D | CDN | CAN - WHL | Calgary |
12 | UH | Helenius, Konsta | 48 | 5'11 | 180 | R | RW | FIN | FIN 1 | Jukurit |
13 | UH | Silayev, Anton | 12 | 6'7 | 211 | L | D | RUS | RUS - KHL | Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod |
14 | UH | Greentree, Liam | 96 | 6'2 | 207 | L | RW | CDN | CAN - OHL | Windsor |
15 | UH | Sennecke, Beckett | 73 | 6'2 | 177 | R | RW | CDN | CAN - OHL | Oshawa |
16 | UH | Hage, Michael | 94 | 6'0 | 187 | R | C | CDN | USA - USHL | Chicago |
17 | UH | Brandsegg-Nygård, Michael | 30 | 6'1 | 198 | R | RW | NOR | SWE 2 | Mora IK |
18 | UH | Connelly, Trevor | 102 | 6'0 | 156 | L | LW | USA | USA - USHL | Tri-City |
19 | UH | Surin, Yegor | 84 | 6'1 | 192 | L | C | RUS | RUS - MHL | Loko-76 Yaroslavl |
20 | UH | Jiricek, Adam | 4 | 6'2 | 182 | R | D | CZE | CZE 1 | HC Plzeň |
21 | UH | Hemming, Emil | 19 | 6'1 | 201 | R | RW | FIN | FIN 1 | TPS |
22 | UH | Pulkkinen, Jesse (OA1) | 106 | 6'5 | 214 | D | D | FIN | FIN U20 | JYP U20 |
23 | UH | Chernyshov, Igor | 87 | 6'2 | 192 | R | LW | RUS | RUS - MHL | MHK Dynamo Moskva |
24 | UH | Boisvert, Sasha | 76 | 6'2 | 176 | L | C | CDN | USA - USHL | Muskegon |
25 | UH | Sahlin Wallenius, Leo | 66 | 6'0 | 176 | L | D | SWE | SWE J20 | Växjö Lakers HC J20 |
26 | UH | Artamonov, Nikita | 29 | 5'11 | 187 | L | RW | RUS | RUS - KHL | Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod |
27 | UH | Badinka, Dominik | 52 | 6'3 | 183 | R | D | CZE | SWE J20 | Malmö Redhawks J20 |
28 | UH | Basha, Andrew | 92 | 5'11 | 174 | L | LW | CDN | CAN - WHL | Medicine Hat |
29 | UH | Parascak, Taras | 105 | 6'0 | 173 | R | RW | CDN | CAN - WHL | Prince George |
30 | UH | Vanacker, Marek | 81 | 6'0 | 174 | L | LW | CDN | CAN - OHL | Brantford |
31 | UH | Howe, Tanner | 77 | 5'10 | 175 | L | LW | CDN | CAN - WHL | Regina |
32 | UH | Letourneau, Dean | 154 | 6'6 | 210 | R | C | CDN | CDN - HS ON | St. Andrew's College HS |
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Starting to see a lot of variances in rankings from all these different sources.
Would have to think we would be all over Levshunov if he was still available with our pick.
That said, this ranking has Parekh & Yakemchuk also still available to us with our pick, so who knows?
Butchy Dakkar
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Okay, please tell our scouts to always use our second round picks on “safe stupid picks” please. We would be so much better with a couple more Pintos. And, we could trade one of them for a haul. More than a second round pick!
Sens of Anarchy
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Hard to say what way they'd go... based on consensus I think the Levshunov package would probably do it... I think he belongs in the conversation but I don't think he is clear cut better than a few of them. I am higher on Silayev than way down mid first ; I think he could be a beast ; just not getting the offensive grades the others are. Hard not to like Buium's package .. he seems to have the IQ to figure it out event though he is not the biggest or the fastest. .. Parekh is amazingly entertaining to watch... he is really good but .. the D is questionable. Yakemchuk is at the bottom of the list of 6 for me but he could turn out to be near the top when its all said and done..
I see that Iginla is all the way up to 5, which is the highest I have seen him ranked. I am starting to think that he is not even going to be available to us. Have to think that Montreal, not to mention the other teams ahead of us, will be looking at taking Iginla.
Someone had mentioned recently that Staois really likes him, and I don't doubt that for a minute as he would have played tons of big battle of Alberta games against Calgary back in the day and we know the Sens love to pick players that have father's that played in the NHL. That might have been more of a Dorion thing, but I think that is one thing that could very well carry over to the new regime.
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aragorn
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It's going to be difficult to not get a very good player wherever the Sens end up picking & they should end up choosing between 4 to 6 good prospects. One of those yrs where they should come away with 3 good players from this draft with 3 picks in the first two rds. Maybe they trade someone/picks to get another pick in those two rds. This is an important draft for this new regime & critical to which direction they want this team to go.
DJB
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When rankings are all over the place it usually reaffirms that the draft isn’t as strong as everyone is saying .
I know I seem to be on an island as I’ve been saying it for months this isn’t a great draft
Butchy Dakkar
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On CIH Bell said their reason for success this year was prioritizing bringing in character guys. That will likely apply to the big club going forward and will factor into who we draft. Hopefully it is what separates otherwise close picks on the Sens board, but does not having us leaving the truly BPA unless something egregious in a kids character or juvenile choices.
So can someone who has watched these guys give me the downside of:
Levshunov
Buium
Yakemchuk
Parekh
Dickinson
Silayev
Levshunov
Buium
Yakemchuk
Parekh
Dickinson
Silayev
Senator Stanley
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I don't pretend to have the answers, but these are my big questions:
Levshunov - Is he a two-way top pairing stud, or is there some Cody Ceci here - where the offence isn't good enough to translate and he becomes more of a toolsy but maddening defence-first RHD?
Buium - It's mostly a question of upside, because I think he plays. You're betting on his brain being truly exceptional, because he doesn't have a stand out physical package right now.
Yakemchuk - He has some of the same question marks as Levshunov (Does his offensive game translate to the NHL level? Can he clean things up defensively?), but there's a lower floor here because he doesn't Levshunov's 99th percentile physical tools to fall back on.
Parekh - I see a wide range of possible outcomes. If his offensive talent proves to be special then he could be a star by the end of his ELC. If it's something less than special, then maybe he's a power play specialist who struggles defensively, or maybe he's a guy who pops on his second or third team, or maybe he finds himself out of the league. What holds me back with him is that he doesn't look like an exceptional skater, and it's hard to be a daring offensive defensemen at the NHL level if your skating can't cover for your mistakes.
Dickinson - Anyone can bust, but he looks like a good bet to play for a long time. High floor. What's the ceiling?
Silayev - Who knows?
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Sens of Anarchy
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Let me preface this with I think their upside is stronger than their downside with all of these prospects. I also think they all need continued development ; and that some question marks or concerns will likely be at least diminished if not overcome with continued development. I will approach it more from question marks or areas to improve.
Levshunov; Consistency, Raw, Decision Making, Compete, Defending (needs work(; Strong Physically mature; Can lay big hits but not often,Work out warrior; steep development; Strong offensively
Buium; Size/Length and Strength, Physicality, Speed (average) The most complete skill wise at both ends; 2 way D; Strong decision making, High IQ
Yakemchuk; Consistency, Raw, Decision Making, Skating (not terrible) , Defense needs work; Has the best combination of offense, mean, and physicality.
Parekh: Size and Strength, Physicality Defending in tough, close quarters; Elite offensive D potential is real both as a scoring threat and as a play maker.
Dickinson: Consistency, Decision Making, Compete, Physicality, Hands ; None are alarm worthy; Won't turn 18 until June; Outstanding size and mobility combo; Good transition, Good at joining the rush, Great shot; 2 way D; High floor; His size and mobility will carry him.
Silayev; Raw, Offense needs development; Skills are ok; Defense is strong, Physicality is strong; SIZE is great; Skating is good; Best shut down , PK D of this group; Beast potential; Won't be running your PP
also not going to argue about it lol
Loach
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This is all wrong, but not going to argue about it. JK!
BondraTime
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Don't think we should be surprised to see Brandsegg-Nygard ranked ahead of a lot of guys we have pegged for the top 10 around the league by NHL teams
Has everything you want in a winger. Hockey IQ, size, skating, shot, playmaking, tenacious and 200ft player.
Plays the game very similarly to Kucherov (not saying he's Kucherov)
Has everything you want in a winger. Hockey IQ, size, skating, shot, playmaking, tenacious and 200ft player.
Plays the game very similarly to Kucherov (not saying he's Kucherov)
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Thanks for that. To me, the biggest red flag I always look for is a lack of compete, which makes me worried about Levshunov and Dickenson. From your descriptions I would think Buium would be the safest pick yet also have a very high .ceiling.
Sens of Anarchy
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I think its more a part of Dickinson's young age and Levshunov's lack of time in NA... and I would not characterize it as a red flag on either player at this stage and likely has more to do with consistency than a lack of desire to compete within them. Not sure I would conclude that but I think Buium would be a fine pick regardless. He certainly excelled at the college level and .. I don't know enough to take a swipe at where he is now in reference to his ceiling. Probably have to wait less for Buium to be ready.
Seasoned scouts that have been doing projections for years are really the ones to ask... I think all 6 have strong potential . I think there will a disparity depending on what they value and the attributes that put them above the others. For the Sens .. as far as what they bring .. not regarding handedness I would have a hard time not taking Silayev and hope for an RD later in the draft. I think Elick would fit the bill there but there will be others in that range to consider. The internet scouts want offense and point production and a hint of defense.. so Silayev drops on their rankings... Early rankings had him higher because he was producing more points early in the season. I am still high on Dickinson though I watched a lot of his games through February when he was named OHL D of the month. He was an all situations horse through February and March and has been less of a factor in the playoffs and has seen his usage drop in favor of the vets. Brock Otten calls him close to NHL ready but I would definitely take a longer path with him and most of this class.
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The only one I have much of is Dickinson and he looks like a guy who will be a solid 2nd pairing LD. I have to say I’m intrigued by Yakemchuk, you can’t teach nasty, you either have it or you don’t.
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