GMR
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He seems like a great dude but why does the media love him? He spent most of his career playing for a small hockey market. He wasn't talked about much.
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Michael Farkas
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I'm not defending it my any means...but it's the Hall of Fame, and Marleau is famous for playing the most games ever...
He did so and at a reasonably high level. Not HOF level by any means, but he's a 500 goal scorer (499 and 501 too, both are just as valid) and he's got 1000 points...he's appeared at the bottom of a few Hart ballots over the years.
I don't think the committee is going to give it too much thought, as they tend not to these days anyhow...
He did so and at a reasonably high level. Not HOF level by any means, but he's a 500 goal scorer (499 and 501 too, both are just as valid) and he's got 1000 points...he's appeared at the bottom of a few Hart ballots over the years.
I don't think the committee is going to give it too much thought, as they tend not to these days anyhow...
Hockeyholic
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Marleau will definitely get in imo. He has international success along with good totals.
I think fan standards are much higher than the committee's are. Unfortunately.
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As a passenger.
Good totals cause he was a compiler. Andreychuk stuck around forever too but at least at certain points he was one of the better players at his position.
Leclair was on Nilans podcast and had an interesting take on the HHOF. Nilan was pumping his tires, Leclair was pretty realistic. Lists Mogilny, Roenick and Theo Fleury as guys who should definitely be in above other recent inductions.
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MadLuke
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I understand if the versions of the Sedins he played against before retiring did not feel HHOF material.
The point about teams and players having a gameplan, preparing and having it in their head tomorrow Cam Neely is playing but not for others that made it in the hall is not a bad way to put it.
The point about teams and players having a gameplan, preparing and having it in their head tomorrow Cam Neely is playing but not for others that made it in the hall is not a bad way to put it.
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J.C. Tremblay deserves to be in the HHOF but then I say that every year.
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Roenick has 1216, Nicholls 1209, Brind'amour 1184 and are not in (there obviously more to it going on, Turgeon waited a while with significantly more points than that), 566 goals too is really a special amount, no one with 525 is out.
In a 3 nhler or so get in yearly rate standard, I think many see Marleau getting in one days, those numbers, not most games but most regular season game trivia which is far from being nothing, face of a franchise. it is not easy to find 9 more HOF worthy player in the 1996-1997-1998 draft than Marleau: Luongo, Thornton, Hossa, SedinX2, Zetterbeg, that only 6 and the 2000 draft or 1995 are not that great and unless some chance people from that era will continue to get in.
Should he have to wait a little bit, at least ?
In a 3 nhler or so get in yearly rate standard, I think many see Marleau getting in one days, those numbers, not most games but most regular season game trivia which is far from being nothing, face of a franchise. it is not easy to find 9 more HOF worthy player in the 1996-1997-1998 draft than Marleau: Luongo, Thornton, Hossa, SedinX2, Zetterbeg, that only 6 and the 2000 draft or 1995 are not that great and unless some chance people from that era will continue to get in.
Should he have to wait a little bit, at least ?
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Michael Farkas
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So, you'd be fine with a player who produced 57 points a year for 21 years as a HOFer? Not saying Marleau did that. He was a higher end player than this thread gives him credit for...but it's awfully silly to just consider career raw totals like that...
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The same reason people question whether Andreychuk should be in. Each was top-10 in goals twice and never in points. Neither known to drive play or tilt the ice.
The peaks just aren't very impressive, and each -- while effective in their ways -- was kind of a one-note player.
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Up through their age 35 seasons, Marleau’s career was roughly on par with the careers of guys like Brad Richards and Marian Gaborik (and I’m not sure he’d even be on the top of that list).
The big difference is Marleau lasted longer and tacked on a bunch of middling seasons in his late 30s. Not a great reason to induct a player, imo, though odds are he’ll probably get in.
The big difference is Marleau lasted longer and tacked on a bunch of middling seasons in his late 30s. Not a great reason to induct a player, imo, though odds are he’ll probably get in.
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MadLuke
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Could be a bit rought to completely dismiss playing 16-17 minutes on the team that reached the finals, or those back to back 27 goals season, the guy new contract past 35 years old was 6.25 millions for a reason (not a good contract but it shows he still had legs)
I fell it is more from his last Leaf year to the end that is pure compiling.
I fell it is more from his last Leaf year to the end that is pure compiling.
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He was a 2nd overall pick back in the days, media guys very often have a special (or friendly) relationship to these players as they've followed and interviewed them closely, et cetera, from an early age. By all accounts he was also a "good pro" type of player. Babcock while in Toronto adored to death both Marleau and Tavares.
BigBadBruins7708
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Does he even have close to that level of "fame"? Yeah hockey fans know his name, but ask random people on the street and Im willing to bet no one knows who he is. It's not like he's Lebron or Mahomes
He is the ultimate version of the "good ol Canadian boy" hockey meme
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Rick Martin was just as good as his contemporaries Steve Shutt and Bill Barber but isn't in because he didn't win any cups nor did he play for a big market/popular team.
BigBadBruins7708
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Only 0.67 PPG, good for a whopping 55 points per 82 games.
Also, there are guys who have much better individual accomplishments and those totals who are not in the Hall.
Roenick has 513/1216 in 500 fewer games
Nichols has 475/1206 in 600 fewer games
Damphousse has 432/1205 in 400 fewer games
Brind'Amour has 452/1184 in 300 fewer games
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Neither is any player except for Gretzky...that's not the bar here.
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Maybe it's because I found him boring and didn't like his game at all toward the end of his stint as a Leaf, but I think I can name at least 20 NHL forwards who aren't in the Hall that I would rank ahead of Marleau all-time and/or would rather have inducted into the HOF. This is not to say I want all these guys inducted, just that I'd rather have them get in than Marleau.
I'll give it a try:
Datsyuk
Zetterberg
LeClair
Roenick
Nicholls
Fleury
Mogilny
Bondra
Brind'Amour
Tkachuk
Middleton
Rick Martin
Larmer
Propp
Kovalchuk
Elias
Markus Naslund
Okay, that's 17 names.
I'd rather see Damphousse get in than Marleau as well and then he's roughly equal to Kovalev in my honest opinion. Even with Kovalev's laziness/inconsistency, he was clearly better at his best, he also has pretty good compiled totals and he was good in the playoffs.
There are also numerous players I would take at their best and in their primes over Marleau (but I'll concede that he surpassed them based on longevity): Lecavalier, Spezza, Bobby Smith, Brad Richards, Kent Nilsson.
I'll give it a try:
Datsyuk
Zetterberg
LeClair
Roenick
Nicholls
Fleury
Mogilny
Bondra
Brind'Amour
Tkachuk
Middleton
Rick Martin
Larmer
Propp
Kovalchuk
Elias
Markus Naslund
Okay, that's 17 names.
I'd rather see Damphousse get in than Marleau as well and then he's roughly equal to Kovalev in my honest opinion. Even with Kovalev's laziness/inconsistency, he was clearly better at his best, he also has pretty good compiled totals and he was good in the playoffs.
There are also numerous players I would take at their best and in their primes over Marleau (but I'll concede that he surpassed them based on longevity): Lecavalier, Spezza, Bobby Smith, Brad Richards, Kent Nilsson.
Michael Farkas
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I don't like that I'm forced to come to the defense of Marleau here because I don't want him in the HOF...but, hell, I'd take Marleau's 2003 to 2014 over Bondra's whole career. Probably Bernie Nicholls too.
