Prospect Info: 2024 Ducks Prospect Rankings #8

#8

  • Sasha Pastujov

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  • Drew Helleson

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  • Ian Moore

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  • Nikita Nesterenko

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  • Coulson Pitre

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  • Kyle Kukkonen

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  • Vojtech Port

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  • Vyacheslav Buteyets

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  • Ethan Procyszyn

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  • Total voters
    86
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MMC

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I will never understand why some of you vote for players with ceiling of a bottom six/bottom 2/ backup goalie over talent. Easy to aquire/replace, worth nothing in value. Saw a list ranking Gaucher as our 4th best prospect with the text: "potential bottom six center". Do we need more of those?
While I myself prioritize ceiling in these rankings, do you just not think the player’s odds to hit that ceiling should be factored in at all? I mean I think Pettersson’s ceiling is higher than Colangelo’s for example but Colangelo’s (albeit limited) experience at the pro level coupled with the fact that he took a big jump this year had me voting for him before Pettersson
 
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Anaheim4ever

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While I myself prioritize ceiling in these rankings, do you just not think the player’s odds to hit that ceiling should be factored in at all? I mean I think Pettersson’s ceiling is higher than Colangelo’s for example but Colangelo’s (albeit limited) experience at the pro level coupled with the fact that he took a big jump this year had me voting for him before Pettersson
And sometimes 3rd liner type guys work better on a 2nd or 1st line because they compliment the other guys on the line more so than what typical top6 guys do or a team is trying to spread out the offense. Reminds me of when Maroon got games on the top line with Getz/Perry or when Edmonton had Maroon on their top line with McDavid.
Even with Dmen, Manson played top Dpair with Lindholm even though he wasn't a top pairing D and worked well for several seasons.
 
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Ohhh Pitre! He looked great at last year's rookie tourney with speed, some physicality, PK'ing, and a glue guy that can move up and down the line up. He had an injury played D+1 season this year. He could use another season in the OHL and continue to build up his body (Firebirds page lists him at 6'1 and 185 lbs), but I can see Verbeek rushing prospects again.

The bottom-6's at the AHL level are C Gaucher, LW Nesterenko, RW Caulfield, RW Wiebe, and, maybe, C Lopina. Verbeek signed Lopina early for an NCAA'er, but it's slow rolling for Lopina. I do like Nesterenko and Caulfield. Gaucher needs more seasoning as Verbeek stated he'll need a couple more seasons at the Migration event.
I literally meant “here” as in Anaheim, since the question was how many bottom 6ers do we need, but your point is taken. I don’t consider Nesterenko a bottom 6 guy by the way, and I think there’s little chance for Wiebe and Lopina to amount to anything. I like Pitre, Caulfield, and Gaucher a lot, rooting for all of them.
 

Trojans86

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I will never understand why some of you vote for players with ceiling of a bottom six/bottom 2/ backup goalie over talent. Easy to aquire/replace, worth nothing in value. Saw a list ranking Gaucher as our 4th best prospect with the text: "potential bottom six center". Do we need more of those?
3c power forward type is very different than a 4c. 3c shutdown center is a very important piece for a cup contender and not everyone is cutout to fill that role.
 

Dirk316

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Petterson seems like a dime a dozen players where nothing stands out. How is he more valuable than Warren or Dionicio? Would any team trade for him over the other 2 players? I doubt it. What are the criteria for these votes? I would think upside and trade value should be the top
 
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Petterson seems like a dime a dozen players where nothing stands out. How is he more valuable than Warren or Dionicio? Would any team trade for him over the other 2 players? I doubt it. What are the criteria for these votes? I would think upside and trade value should be the top

If you read the thread, people voting for Pettersson have said they think he has the best shot at developing into a top6 forward.

Personally I voted for dionicicio

Warren is still a pretty long shot + tops out as a bottom pairing dmen
 

tomd

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If you read the thread, people voting for Pettersson have said they think he has the best shot at developing into a top6 forward.

Personally I voted for dionicicio

Warren is still a pretty long shot + tops out as a bottom pairing dmen
In fairness, they are just repeating Madden's assessment of him and the comparison to William Karlsson doesn't hurt his cause.
 

Ducks

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I think Suchanek is being a bit underrated in the poll here. His progress from undrafted player to WJC standout to AHL starter has been really impressive. He's got legit NHL starter upside and continues to improve year over year. Sometimes I wonder if we're a bit jaded on just how lucky we've been in the goalie department over the last 30 years.
 

Dirk316

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If you read the thread, people voting for Pettersson have said they think he has the best shot at developing into a top6 forward.

Personally I voted for dionicicio

Warren is still a pretty long shot + tops out as a bottom pairing dmen
I feel he has a better chance at being a #4 than Petterson a top 6 forward
 

forever1922

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In fairness, they are just repeating Madden's assessment of him and the comparison to William Karlsson doesn't hurt his cause.
I'm not.

Pettersson has enough skills to make a top 6 player, he is smart with his positioning and timing, he creates a lot of advantages in transition, usually with his anticipation and speed. He has a good shot, good passing vision and he performs better when the speed is high compared to his opposition. That is, puckhandling, agile moves are good at top speed. This all sounds like William Karlsson, and on top of that he is alternate captain for both his U20 club and team Sweden U18. Now, Karlsson did have him beat in junior scoring but Pettersson edged him in national team scoring.

Therefore, it is entirely fair to expect a top6 potential in Pettersson, but understand that he is not a big guy, doesn't help in the corners or net front when it's time to defend a cycle, he is good at picking pucks off passes and anticipating the cycle, and that's when he positions to win battles, he will not win many battles without that advantage, he drives possession because he is on the puck all the time, and picks it off players often. He creates offense with his fast acceleration and anticipation of open lanes and players. The execution is usually good, nothing crazy, he is not the most skilled guy ever, but it's pretty good, and he does not try anything silly and turn the puck over nearly as much as some high scoring junior players usually do, so he plays a much more pro game already, hence the captaincies.

Regardless of this all, it's an obvious projection and comparison to make.

I'm not going to argue Dirk's dime a dozen argument as it's plainly obvious sweden's best (or highest drafted anyway) prospect of any given year has potential way beyond the average prospect. I made the point halfway through the year that both Sidorov's and Dionicio's odds to make the NHL at any capacity are about 50-50. Dionicio obviously has the added obstacle of Ducks' defensive depth to overcome.
 
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Hockey Duckie

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I think Suchanek is being a bit underrated in the poll here. His progress from undrafted player to WJC standout to AHL starter has been really impressive. He's got legit NHL starter upside and continues to improve year over year. Sometimes I wonder if we're a bit jaded on just how lucky we've been in the goalie department over the last 30 years.

I like Suchanek, but he stumbled hard and was wildly consistency in his last 10 games of the season with the Gulls. That kinda tempered things down for me a bit. Did teams start figuring out Suchanek after his blazing hot start in the AHL?
 

lwvs84

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I feel he has a better chance at being a #4 than Petterson a top 6 forward
I don't know who has a better chance, but I think Warrren hitting (no pun intended) is more important a lot of the non top guys. Even if he's a #5/6 guy, having that in addition to what we already have would be amazing.
 

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