2024 2nd Overall Artyom Levshunov

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He’s definitely starting on the team next year. Not sure if he’ll stay up due to the ELC slide or not, but Davidson has shown he doesn’t care about that in the past.
 
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Obviously a small sample size for Lev, but here's some point comparisons between him and some young top pairing D and/or high picks (regular season only)

Levshunov (D+1) 8 games, 0g4a = 4pts
Byram (D+2) 19 games, 0g2a = 2pts
Seider (D+3) 82 games, 7g43a = 50pts (did not play in NHL until D+3 season)
Broberg (D+3) 23 games, 1g2a = 3pts
Harley (D+3) 34 games, 1g3a = 4pts
Heiskanen (D+2) 82 games, 12g21a = 33pts
Makar (D+3) 57 games, 12g38a = 50pts (did not play regular season NHL game until D+3 season)
Dahlin (D+1) 82 games, 9g35a = 44pts
Q. Hughes (D+1) 5 games, 0g3a = 3pts
Boqvist (D+2) 41 games, 4g9a = 13pts
Bouchard (D+1) 7 games, 1g0a = 1pt
Dobson (D+2) 34 games, 1g6a = 7pts
Sanderson (D+3) 77 games, 4g28a = 32pts
Drysdale (D+1) 24 games, 3g8a = 11pts
Faber (D+4) 82 games, 8g39a = 47pts (played only 2 NHL regular season games prior)
Power (D+1) 8 games, 2g1a = 3pts
J. Hughes (D+3) 82 games, 9g38a = 47pts (had 2pts in his first two NHL games season prior)
Edvinsson (D+2) 9 games, 2g0a = 2pts
Clarke (D+2) 9 games, 0g2a = 2pts
Nemec (D+2) 60 games, 3g16a = 19pts
Jiricek (D+2) 43 games, 1g9a = 10pts (pointless in 4 games during D+1 season)
Korchinski (D+2) 76 games, 5g10a = 15pts
Mintyukov (D+2) 63 games, 4g24a = 28pts
Mateychuk (D+3) 33 games, 3g4a = 7pts

Note: surprisingly, only one other D drafted in either of the last two years has played an NHL game so far (Sharks Cagnoni from 2023 being the other)

Again, small sample size for Lev and for a lot of these guys, but he's doing well so far (offensively speaking).
 
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Well of course i know this, but the point is there's a general consensus out there that the Sharks rebuild is going perfectly while ours is a disaster and its just total BS.
It is annoying. They look good forward wise, certainly in better shape than us.

But defensively, it's bad. Sam Dickinson is excelling this season in the CHL in his D+1 season, but so did Korchinski. That doesn't necessarily mean much. They've also got Cagnoni, but I don't generally trust defensemen who are 5ft9. And they are both lefties, that farm has nothing on the right side, generally considered one of the hardest positions to fill in the NHL. Hawks have Levshunov already showing well there, Rinzel who projects to be a solid RHD, and a few lesser options on that side.
 
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It is annoying. They look good forward wise, certainly in better shape than us.

But defensively, it's bad. Sam Dickinson is excelling this season in the CHL in his D+1 season, but so did Korchinski. That doesn't necessarily mean much. They've also got Cagnoni, but I don't generally trust defensemen who are 5ft9. And they are both lefties, that farm has nothing on the right side, generally considered one of the hardest positions to fill in the NHL. Hawks have Levshunov already showing well there, Rinzel who projects to be a solid RHD, and a few lesser options on that side.

Very well said, and you know much more than I do when it comes to the specifics of these different kids(especially the ones for opposing teams), i just knew that generally speaking the Sharks were lacking in terms of D prospects compared to where we're at.
 
It is annoying. They look good forward wise, certainly in better shape than us.

But defensively, it's bad. Sam Dickinson is excelling this season in the CHL in his D+1 season, but so did Korchinski. That doesn't necessarily mean much. They've also got Cagnoni, but I don't generally trust defensemen who are 5ft9. And they are both lefties, that farm has nothing on the right side, generally considered one of the hardest positions to fill in the NHL. Hawks have Levshunov already showing well there, Rinzel who projects to be a solid RHD, and a few lesser options on that side.
both rebuilds are going about the same IMO, the sharks is a bit ahead of ours as they started the rebuild sooner.

Dickinson will be a stud, sorry but Korchinski's last year in junior does not compare with what Sam is in London this year...

Muhkamadullin is someone that alot of hockey fans are sleeping on he is flying under the radar big time.

Cagnoni will likely surprise folks

Lucas Carlsson is also back from injury and looking great on the back end for the sharkies...

all in all both rebuilds are similar in alot of respects.

if one of Chicago or San Jose win the lottery and get to draft Shaefer it will be amazing for either club...
 
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both rebuilds are going about the same IMO, the sharks is a bit ahead of ours as they started the rebuild sooner.

Dickinson will be a stud, sorry but Korchinski's last year in junior does not compare with what Sam is in London this year...

Muhkamadullin is someone that alot of hockey fans are sleeping on he is flying under the radar big time.

Cagnoni will likely surprise folks

all in all both rebuilds are similar in alot of respects.

if one of Chicago or San Jose win the lottery and get to draft Shaefer it will be amazing for either club...
Gonna have to agree to disagree with you. Dickinson is putting up a bit more points than KK did, but the WHL has been a better league than the OHL the last few years IMO. And I, and a lot of others on HF, were not impressed with his U20 performance.

Cagnoni may surprise. He does have an NHL point already and has done well in the AHL, but a guy his size needs to show me a lot before I think they can make an impact.

And those two, and Muhk, are all lefties. They have nothing on the right side and this draft has very little RHD likely to become top/middle pairing D. They'll either have to get creative with trades, or let the weakest part of their farm go unattended for another year.
 
Gonna have to agree to disagree with you. Dickinson is putting up a bit more points than KK did, but the WHL has been a better league than the OHL the last few years IMO. And I, and a lot of others on HF, were not impressed with his U20 performance.

Cagnoni may surprise. He does have an NHL point already and has done well in the AHL, but a guy his size needs to show me a lot before I think they can make an impact.

And those two, and Muhk, are all lefties. They have nothing on the right side and this draft has very little RHD likely to become top/middle pairing D. They'll either have to get creative with trades, or let the weakest part of their farm go unattended for another year.
Disagreeing is all good...

Would rather have Dickinson than Korchinski any day.
 
Gonna have to agree to disagree with you. Dickinson is putting up a bit more points than KK did, but the WHL has been a better league than the OHL the last few years IMO. And I, and a lot of others on HF, were not impressed with his U20 performance.

Cagnoni may surprise. He does have an NHL point already and has done well in the AHL, but a guy his size needs to show me a lot before I think they can make an impact.

And those two, and Muhk, are all lefties. They have nothing on the right side and this draft has very little RHD likely to become top/middle pairing D. They'll either have to get creative with trades, or let the weakest part of their farm go unattended for another year.
Sam "a bit more points" Dickinson just broke the London Knights single season record for points by a dman. He leads the team in points, point per game, and trails the team lead in goals by 1. By all accounts an absolutely historic season.

Guess which recent young dman also had a poor WJC showing as a D+1 where he wasn't very noticeable and had just 2 assists in 7 games? Some random 5'10 dman schmuck for the Canucks, im sure he never panned out

I don't understand the obsession of some Hawks fans of trivializing the Sharks rebuild. Do they have threads of content as well just ripping into our prospect pool? I doubt it
 
Sam "a bit more points" Dickinson just broke the London Knights single season record for points by a dman. He leads the team in points, point per game, and trails the team lead in goals by 1. By all accounts an absolutely historic season.

Guess which recent young dman also had a poor WJC showing as a D+1 where he wasn't very noticeable and had just 2 assists in 7 games? Some random 5'10 dman schmuck for the Canucks, im sure he never panned out

I don't understand the obsession of some Hawks fans of trivializing the Sharks rebuild. Do they have threads of content as well just ripping into our prospect pool? I doubt it
Sharks don’t have the main boards saying their rebuild is a failure for what it’s worth even though developing a Dcore is a 1000% harder and more difficult vs drafting forwards. Since Macklin smiles more no one is posting about offersheet and requesting trades like they do with Bedard despite playing for an even worse team.

Give me Lev Vlasic Rinzel Korch Allan Kaiser EDM and Crev over San Jose’s pool of Dmen any day of the week (yes even if they get Schaefer)

The failure to develop defenseman is why Phillys rebuild failed to launch off the ground despite having a great set of forwards the last decade
 
Sam "a bit more points" Dickinson just broke the London Knights single season record for points by a dman. He leads the team in points, point per game, and trails the team lead in goals by 1. By all accounts an absolutely historic season.

Guess which recent young dman also had a poor WJC showing as a D+1 where he wasn't very noticeable and had just 2 assists in 7 games? Some random 5'10 dman schmuck for the Canucks, im sure he never panned out

I don't understand the obsession of some Hawks fans of trivializing the Sharks rebuild. Do they have threads of content as well just ripping into our prospect pool? I doubt it
Just because Hughes turned out, doesn't mean Dickinson will. I'm sorry, I don't hate the kid as a prospect, but I certainly am not buying into the notion he's San Jose's 1D of the future. Not after one season where he only played in the CHL.

This isn't a thread about them or their farm system. It's a thread about Lev that ended up with a bit of discussion about a team that is in a similar spot to us rebuild wise. It's okay to make comparisons to other teams. It is not a big deal.

And for what it's worth, I like their farm. Celebrini, Smith, and Eklund are all top line caliber players. We have Bedard. That's it. Even if we land someone like Misa, we'd still have less elite forwards, and Sharks would have continued to add to their farm too.
 
If people are gonna cream over Dickinson’s numbers allow me to over Lardis’s. Both in the O and having great seasons. Our O pool is a year maybe 2 from seeing what we actually have so far. I am not worried as the D side is hard to get right, which the Hawks seem to have done so far.
 

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