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2024 2nd Overall Artyom Levshunov

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OldScool said:
Nice to see Lev have a positive impact on the game. Hopefully he can continue to improve.

I did talk to my buddy and he was very positive in his assessment of how Korchinski is progressing at Rockford. Loves his skating and vision. He was also impressed with Raty so far.
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IMPROVE?!?

He had the 4th most minutes on the backend yesterday and was a plus 1 (which is hugely important to you). We also had 17-12 advantage on shot attempts, 12-7 advantage on shots on goal, 11-6 advantage in scoring chances, and 2-1 advantage in high danger chances when Lev was on the ice.

I don't know how you expect a career bottom 6 bottom pairing defenseman to improve over that. You either think he's capable of improving over time or you don't. You either think he's a bottom pairing D or you don't. You made definitive statements about him maxing out as a bottom pairing D, don't go moving the goal posts any after he has one solid game.
 
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Hawkaholic said:
No one cares
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CallMeShaft said:
IMPROVE?!?

He had the 4th most minutes on the backend yesterday and was a plus 1 (which is hugely important to you). We also had 17-12 advantage on shot attempts, 12-7 advantage on shots on goal, 11-6 advantage in scoring chances, and 2-1 advantage in high danger chances when Lev was on the ice.

I don't know how you expect a career bottom 6 bottom pairing defenseman to improve over that. You either think he's capable of improving over time or you don't. You either think he's a bottom pairing D or you don't. You made definitive statements about him maxing out as a bottom pairing D, don't go moving the goal posts any after he has one solid game.
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I don't think he will be an elite defenseman or anything close. He had one good game. Great. Good for him. It was the Flyers. I could have a good game vs that team.
 
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OldScool said:
I don't think he will be an elite defenseman or anything close. He had one good game. Great. Good for him. It was the Flyers. I could have a good game vs that team.
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You don't need to be elite to be a middle pairing guy. Hell, you don't have to be elite to be a top pairing guy. There aren't 64 "elite" defensemen playing in this league each year. You, or your made up bestie, called him a bottom pairing guy at best.

Also, while I've got you, can you please tell me who was better in the 14-15 season, Keith or Runblad? Also Seabrook or Rozsival?
 
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Answer the question, @OldScool

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Pez68 said:
I am honestly happy that this clown hasn't been banned yet. Holy shit. The clowning is some next level entertainment. lmao....
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Banned for what? Having an opinion different from others? Not afraid to have a differing viewpoint. Aint scared.
 
OldScool said:
Banned for what? Having an opinion different from others? Not afraid to have a differing viewpoint. Aint scared.
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I don't think you should, or will be, banned. This site is pretty lackadaisical when it comes to someone trolling, or doing something that others might perceive to be trolling. As long as you don't do it to other posters, it's generally allowed.

Having said that, you have not argued any of this whole "Lev is a bottom pairing guy at best" in good faith, which is why your posts come off to others as trolling.

You keep calling the guy who was just selected second overall last June a future bottom pairing guy at best, which the large majority of hockey scouts/fans would probably find issue with. Yes, that could end up being the case. Busts do happen. Though there is little evidence to suggest that that would happen at this point in time. Nobody will know for years what he will become and everything he has shown in various leagues over the last few years is trending in the opposite direction from where you are suggesting.

When you are called out on this, you continually bring up this friend of yours that you claim to be a former NHL scout. You have shown no evidence that you have a friend who was ever in that position, nor proof of his claims regarding Lev's abilities. You also have no evidence to suggest that even if he was a scout and he does not like Levshunov, that he's a scout worth paying any attention to. There are a number of scouts who still are working, I doubt many of them feel that Levshunov is, at this point in time, unlikely to ever become more than a bottom pairing D.

Bob McKenzie's draft ranking from less than a year ago, for example, had 8 of 10 NHL scouts list Levshunov in their top 5, with the other two scouts listing him at 6th and 7th. NHL scouts aren't picking a guy they view as "bottom pairing" in the top 10, let alone top 5. And Lev has not performed badly enough in Rockford to have his value drop that substantially in less than a year's time. So even if you do have a scout friend who doesn't like him, who gives a shit? Most scouts, the ones that still have a job in that role, feel otherwise.

And you continue to not respond to my question about Keith vs Rundblad and Seabrook vs Rozsival, even though they are easy answers that everyone here knows already. You just aren't answering because it shows the errors in plus/minus, the main stat you're using to try to prove your (or your friend's) point about Levshunov.

So while I don't think what you've done here constitutes trolling to a level where you can be reprimanded, your actions here are cluing the rest of us into the type of poster you are.
 
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OldScool said:
I am sure Hawkaholic will notice you now. Keep trying.
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You have been clowned on by almost every user on this board and your only retort is that me/Hawkaholic and Giovi/Shaft are trying to impress the other yet here you are still deepthroating and sticking up for your scout friend who he doesn’t even post here lmao.

Does he let you live in the pool shed or the basement of his mansion? It really doesn’t make sense why you have been defending his idiotic opinion for close to a month now.
 
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ColbyChaos said:
You have been clowned on by almost every user on this board and your only retort is that me/Hawkaholic and Giovi/Shaft are trying to impress the other yet here you are still deepthroating and sticking up for your scout friend who he doesn’t even post here lmao.

Does he let you live in the pool shed or the basement of his mansion? It really doesn’t make sense why you have been defending his idiotic opinion for close to a month now.
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Oh, it makes sense if you just operate under one very simple assumption. ;)
 
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ColbyChaos said:
You have been clowned on by almost every user on this board and your only retort is that me/Hawkaholic and Giovi/Shaft are trying to impress the other yet here you are still deepthroating and sticking up for your scout friend who he doesn’t even post here lmao.

Does he let you live in the pool shed or the basement of his mansion? It really doesn’t make sense why you have been defending his idiotic opinion for close to a month now.
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What does it take for someone around here to want me?!
 
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