2024-25 Utica Comets and ECHL thread

Bad Goalie

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Cleveland Monsters @ Utica Comets

Final Score -
Cleveland 4 Utica 0

Comets now 0-9-1-2. Better defined as 12 straight losses since the season opened.
Still in last place in the North Division as well as last place in the entire AHL.
#31 in the AHL for goals scored.
Lead the league in goals against.
#32 in PK%.
#14 in PP % and falling. #20 in PPGF.
These stats are mind numbing.

I can't relate anymore at this moment. I'll give you an update by editing this tomorrow.

Forwards:
(34) Beckman (26) Schmelzer (25) Foote)
(20) Willman (15) Bowers (24) Halonen
(67) Parent (11) Legare (61) Stillman
(14) Bertuzzi (13) Malone (37) Wendt

D-Pairs
(83) Vilen (17) Nemec
(6) White) (22) Casey
(93) Misyul (3) MacKinnon

(50) Daws

The game was a tight checking, close contest with the Monsters on The strength of a PP goal leading 1-0 after 1 period.

At 7:32 of the 2nd the Monsters were awarded another PP on a ridiculous tripping call to Legare on what was actually a very good play by Nathan. He had been knocked to the ice outside the blueline in front of his own bench and his stick was gone. He scrambled to his feet. The puck carrier was about to skate up the middle and Nathan without a stick cut him off face to face and leveled him with a hard shoulder to his chest. No leg or hip contact and the guy went down over Legare's body. Nothing even resembling a trip. When nothing is going a team's way over several games (11) the inevitable would follow. At 9:18 with Legare still in the box the Monsters scored their 2nd PP goal of the game and made it 2-0.

Almost like the hockey gods said enough of this crap and at 12:37 Tre Fix - Wolansky was charged with spearing, assessed a 5-minute major and ejected. The Comets were granted the best chance possible to get back into this game. They started out with 3 shots right off the face off, 2 one timers by Halonen and a point shot by Vilen (I think, maybe Nemec). All 3 saved and the puck was cleared. The Comets spent most of the rest of the PP trying to get into the zone, set up if they got there, retrieving the puck from their end after it was cleared several times, missing the net or flubbing shots, and trying to prevent the Monsters from scoring shorthanded at least 3 times. In short they pissed away the 5 minutes.

Period 2 ended 2- 0 Monsters.

Comets would have to really take it to the Monsters in the 3rd. Well they didn't even come close to it. In the previous 2 periods the Comets outshot the Monsters 20-15. In the 3rd, a period they had to score at least twice while shutting out their opponent, they were outshot 16-7 and outscored 2-0 resulting in loss leaving the shutout for the 3rd time this season and chalking up their 12th game without a win.

In that 3rd period in a scramble in frong to the net Misyul gained possession and slid the puck back to Daws to freeze it. At a speed of maybe 1 MPH or less it trickled right through Daws's knees and into the net for the 3rd goal at 11:05.

At 15:56 a long shot got past Daws as it often has in games past. He seems to just quit when he concludes it's over. Not a good trait for a goalie period , but especially for a guy who is working to become NJ's #2 next season.

It makes no sense to try and describe the breakdowns, scoring problems. positional errors, player weaknesses, lack of chemistry between line members, weaknesses some players reveal showing they are simply not AHL level players, lack of speed exhibited by most of the players when compared to opponents they are either attempting to beat or catch up to, and obvious absence of hockey IQ in most of them. It turns out to be the same old same old.

Simply put this not a good hockey team. Doing the best they can do and giving everything they have, they cannot muster enough to win most of the games they will play. It's really hard to say that as a team they lack the skills it takes to be successful as they are constructed as a team. There are a few players who stand out among the rest as guys who have what it takes but cannot do it by themselves and some are only hurting the team and themselves by trying to do that. Casey, Nemec, Foote, Misyul, Vilen, and Beckman stand out as guys who would be outstanding to very good on a team with comparable players. Halaonen is a guy who is trying to do so much by himself and it's not working. Willman is pretty much in the same boat.

Parent playing in his 1st game was very noticeable in his tenacity and effort on the boards, in 1 on 1s, the back and fore check, driving the net, and making accurate crisp passes, The attention the Monsters were paying to him backed this up. He was a thorn they had to pluck and they harangued him all game long.

In summary, this team has maybe half of what they need personnel wise. That's very unlikely to change and NJ is probably going to take their best as the season progresses due to issues with the parent club. So, I'll give you the lineups, scoring, SOG, and high lights of any player when they occur.

Over and out.
 
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My3Sons

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How does Dan MacKinnon still have a job? He assembled a roster that has now lost 12 straight games to start the season but yet he made sure that his son has a roster spot to play in the AHL. The optics alone should get him demoted or fired.
Something tells me he’s not really the decision maker.
 

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Something tells me he’s not really the decision maker.
In what way?

I don't think he was told not to find any centers. He went and signed Colton White despite the Devils having LD prospects. White is making $250k this year and $275k next year. Jayson Megna was available and signed a similar two year AHL deal. Kyle Criscuolo signed a 1 year deal with the Checkers.

I'm not against the White signing, but if the issue was that he was given a limited budget, it's still on him to use it well. @Bad Goalie has covered the decision-making previously. Sure, more money could help. But, the real issue here was lack of planning and forethought.
 

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The Utica Devils were always going to be not good given their budget, goaltending, and lack of forward prospects - I don't care what kind of defense they're playing, goalies should stop more than 86% of the shots against. With a 1st line center, they'd be better, and MacKinnon absolutely deserves the ax at the end of the season if things don't turn around, but the largest culprit is the drafting - Nico Daws is the only player from the 2020 draft down there, 2019 yielded Beckman via Clarke, Legare (via Thompson via Durandeau), and Misyul - that's not enough.
 

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In what way?

I don't think he was told not to find any centers. He went and signed Colton White despite the Devils having LD prospects. White is making $250k this year and $275k next year. Jayson Megna was available and signed a similar two year AHL deal. Kyle Criscuolo signed a 1 year deal with the Checkers.

I'm not against the White signing, but if the issue was that he was given a limited budget, it's still on him to use it well. @Bad Goalie has covered the decision-making previously. Sure, more money could help. But, the real issue here was lack of planning and forethought.
I'm skeptical that the NJ management just left it up to MacKinnon. The way NJ makes decisions is "collaborative". Allegedly the ownership ask for daily reports on things. Beyond just a budget I'm skeptical that Fitz isn't involved with this. Maybe they give MacKinnon some sort of budget but you don't see some sort of pro scouting involved with signing players? You think they just let MacKinnon go out and do what he wants without input and oversight? Maybe but I doubt it. The lack of centers is a problem at the NHL level not just the AHL level.
 

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The Utica Devils were always going to be not good given their budget, goaltending, and lack of forward prospects - I don't care what kind of defense they're playing, goalies should stop more than 86% of the shots against. With a 1st line center, they'd be better, and MacKinnon absolutely deserves the ax at the end of the season if things don't turn around, but the largest culprit is the drafting - Nico Daws is the only player from the 2020 draft down there, 2019 yielded Beckman via Clarke, Legare (via Thompson via Durandeau), and Misyul - that's not enough.

When you say "that's not enough," I'm not sure if you mean quantity or quality.

For quantity, I'm not sure that's fair. Okhotyuk, Mukhamadullin, and Holtz were traded. Gritsyuk is overseas (as are Hameenaho, Orlov, and Malek).

For quality, I agree. Nemec and Casey have potential top 4 upside. Outside of them, though, Utica has no potential NHL top 4 LD, top 6 forwards, and it's looking like no starting goaltender. Not great.
 

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The Utica Devils were always going to be not good given their budget, goaltending, and lack of forward prospects - I don't care what kind of defense they're playing, goalies should stop more than 86% of the shots against. With a 1st line center, they'd be better, and MacKinnon absolutely deserves the ax at the end of the season if things don't turn around, but the largest culprit is the drafting - Nico Daws is the only player from the 2020 draft down there, 2019 yielded Beckman via Clarke, Legare (via Thompson via Durandeau), and Misyul - that's not enough.


I agree that it’s much more difficult without drafted talent but signing better FA prospects and attracting better UFA talent is how the top teams keep their farm teams respectable year after year.

We’ll need to throw around more money around next off-season if they hope to get anyone to play at that misery factory next year. I don’t see how they can turn it around without stepping up in free agency.

The budget isn’t an excuse to me, the Devils failed to signed better players for the team.

We’re spending 1.265m on six players to get 3G 7A in 12 games.
Laberge - 90k
Legare - 85k
Schmeltzer - 220k
Bowers -220k
Willman - 300k
Hardman - 350k

Time to put on the big boy pants and give out some +500k deals to get better UFA forward talent down there instead of bragging about keeping the 4th line of a non-playoff AHL team together.
 

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Something tells me he’s not really the decision maker.
That maybe so, but he said he had to let DiNeen go. Spoke like he was the one that fired him.g

I agree that it’s much more difficult without drafted talent but signing better FA prospects and attracting better UFA talent is how the top teams keep their farm teams respectable year after year.

We’ll need to throw around more money around next off-season if they hope to get anyone to play at that misery factory next year. I don’t see how they can turn it around without stepping up in free agency.

The budget isn’t an excuse to me, the Devils failed to signed better players for the team.

We’re spending 1.265m on six players to get 3G 7A in 12 games.
Laberge - 90k
Legare - 85k
Schmeltzer - 220k
Bowers -220k
Willman - 300k
Hardman - 350k

Time to put on the big boy pants and give out some +500k deals to get better UFA forward talent down there instead of bragging about keeping the 4th line of a non-playoff AHL team together.
 
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That maybe so, but he said he had to let DiNeen go. Spoke like he was the one that fired him.g
I don’t see MacKinnon doing anything Fitz doesn’t ok. At the end of the day the fish rots from the head down. The current mess in Utica may have MacKinnon as the figurehead but Fitz and the scouts who can’t find a center to save their lives are the real culprits.
 
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Several reasons I don’t see MacKinnon getting fired.

Dan MacKinnon came over from Nashville with Ray Shero so Tom Fitzgerald has been working with him since 2007-08.

Assistant GMs don’t get fired by themselves very often.
 

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