2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[JetsFan815]

Was there really anyone suggesting not to sign Ehlers to a full 8 year term?

I have seen numerous posts on these threads advising against going longer than 5-6 years with Nik considering his "injury history" and how much of his game is "speed dominated" which tends to fall with age.

 

[KingBogo]

I have seen numerous posts on these threads advising against going longer than 5-6 years with Nik considering his "injury history" and how much of his game is "speed dominated" which tends to fall with age.

While Nik is one of my favourite players, I agree signing him long term presents a lot of risk. He will be looking for a 7 year deal from other teams and likely we will need to go 8 to re-sign him. When your game is predicated on speed, you need that speed. If it starts to go the rest of his game might fall off quickly. His injury issues add to this as mounting physical toll on the body is a huge risk to losing the speed part of his game. Saying that I still hope he re-signs. I just hope I don’t have to read post after post in a few years that rip him to shreds because he is no longer a zone entry machine.

 

[GaryPoppins]

We'll just have to disagree.

I saw him as one of the 5 d in the critical game 7 victory. He was one of the 5 d that played in the game 6 loss but not one of the two on the ice for the GWG. Big hits, big shot blocks, battling through the injuries.

Lowry could have went after Brayden too, both he and Luke were injured and for all we know maybe Scotty's message was settle the score on the ice.

He played top 4 when Pionk was on the shelf, with a good winning %. Think he's still a decent PKer.

Jets can't replace that kind of player. Colin Miller to me is more replaceable. Don't need him on the PP, can't use him on the PK. Decent 5 on 5.

I included him because I don’t believe that he will be moved. Not that I want him back, just thinking realistically.

 

[Buffdog]

Meh Schenn was largely useless in the playoffs outside of a couple nice hits. Wouldn't even step up to his own brother after he was head hunting, barely stepped up to anyone else. We brought him in as muscle and he didn't really even provide that especially against the Blues. Punt him to the curb, he's old, slow and was walked half a dozen times. Schenn doesn't really make Stanley anything as he's a RD and Stan is a LD they will both play if on the roster likely so Chevy should remove them both and free up the cap. Just my opinion on the matter.

Have you ever broken ribs?

Kudos to Luke for even suiting up... it hurts to breathe, cough and laugh with fractured ribs... let alone trying to play and hit people

 

[Hunter368]

Have you ever broken ribs?

Kudos to Luke for even suiting up... it hurts to breathe, cough and laugh with fractured ribs... let alone trying to play and hit people

Agreed, I can attest to that fact. Hurts to do anything, standing up, sitting down, getting out of bed, laughing, coughing, sneezing, etc, etc. I couldn’t even imagine physical contact.

 

[JetsFan815]

While Nik is one of my favourite players, I agree signing him long term presents a lot of risk. He will be looking for a 7 year deal from other teams and likely we will need to go 8 to re-sign him. When your game is predicated on speed, you need that speed. If it starts to go the rest of his game might fall off quickly. His injury issues add to this as mounting physical toll on the body is a huge risk to losing the speed part of his game. Saying that I still hope he re-signs. I just hope I don’t have to read post after post in a few years that rip him to shreds because he is no longer a zone entry machine.

I agree with your general point about concerns about offering term to guys who are about to be on the wrong side of 30 but Ehlers as far as I am concerned is a guy I am willing to cross that bridge. Reality is that no one the Jets can sign as a UFA will come even close to producing the same impact on ice as him and there is not a lot in the pipeline that looks close. He is a key part of the 2nd line and top unit PP. IMO you take that risk with Nik, if his game falls off in 4-5 years Wheeler style then you live with the last few years of that contract and hope to win a cup in the preceding years. If the Jets weren't a contender, I'd be fine letting him walk, but considering their position, without him there is a very real risk for 55 and 37's last few good years not being used to their fullest extent.

 

[GNP]

I agree with your general point about concerns about offering term to guys who are about to be on the wrong side of 30 but Ehlers as far as I am concerned is a guy I am willing to cross that bridge. Reality is that no one the Jets can sign as a UFA will come even close to producing the same impact on ice as him and there is not a lot in the pipeline that looks close. He is a key part of the 2nd line and top unit PP. IMO you take that risk with Nik, if his game falls off in 4-5 years Wheeler style then you live with the last few years of that contract and hope to win a cup in the preceding years. If the Jets weren't a contender, I'd be fine letting him walk, but considering their position, without him there is a very real risk for 55 and 37's last few good years not being used to their fullest extent.

Very good points you make, and I’d love to see Nik re - sign here, along with many other posters.

The signing has some risks for sure, but so do all athletic contracts.

 

[WolfHouse]

Have you ever broken ribs?

Kudos to Luke for even suiting up... it hurts to breathe, cough and laugh with fractured ribs... let alone trying to play and hit people

He wouldnt have played with broken ribs...

Playing with cracked ribs is amazing though - severely limits your mobility... i did a dogsled season with that and it fkn sucks

it does beg the question why miller wasnt in for more games

 

[WolfHouse]

I agree with your general point about concerns about offering term to guys who are about to be on the wrong side of 30 but Ehlers as far as I am concerned is a guy I am willing to cross that bridge. Reality is that no one the Jets can sign as a UFA will come even close to producing the same impact on ice as him and there is not a lot in the pipeline that looks close. He is a key part of the 2nd line and top unit PP. IMO you take that risk with Nik, if his game falls off in 4-5 years Wheeler style then you live with the last few years of that contract and hope to win a cup in the preceding years. If the Jets weren't a contender, I'd be fine letting him walk, but considering their position, without him there is a very real risk for 55 and 37's last few good years not being used to their fullest extent.

100% - i dont see any player available that replaces ehlers role with us...

 

[PhilJets]

Knowing the Jets, players that is happy with the organization, tends to stay for lower salary than what they could have fetch in the open market.

 

[Daximus]

Have you ever broken ribs?

Kudos to Luke for even suiting up... it hurts to breathe, cough and laugh with fractured ribs... let alone trying to play and hit people

Well if your ribs are broken and it made you a worse then any other options you shouldn't be suiting up period. If your injured and it affects your play that badly you should be sitting and letting someone else come in. You're a detriment to the team at that point.

 

[CanMerc]

Have you ever broken ribs?

Kudos to Luke for even suiting up... it hurts to breathe, cough and laugh with fractured ribs... let alone trying to play and hit people

Yup…I highly recommend against using a jackhammer with broken ribs…that was a lousy 2 days

If Schenn was hurting and it was affecting his game, he should have sat out.

 

[Buffdog]

Yup…I highly recommend against using a jackhammer with broken ribs…that was a lousy 2 days

If Schenn was hurting and it was affecting his game, he should have sat out.

Who knows how the decision making matrix played out

The guy was acquired to play... maybe he felt obliged

At any rate, all those guys were banged up to some degree

 

[Gm0ney]

He wouldnt have played with broken ribs...

Playing with cracked ribs is amazing though - severely limits your mobility... i did a dogsled season with that and it fkn sucks

it does beg the question why miller wasnt in for more games

Cracked (fractured) ribs are still broken...just not like Burt-Reynolds-femur-in-Deliverance broken. I can't see a player being able to deliver or absorb any upper body hits with even cracked ribs though, no matter how tough they are. Bruised maybe if you're wrapped and shot up with a lot of goofball.

 

[Hunter368]

Knowing the Jets, players that is happy with the organization, tends to stay for lower salary than what they could have fetch in the open market.

Agreed

Even though fans from other teams assume Jets always have to pay more for players both internal RFA and external FA I’ve seen no evidence of that……..if anything Jets sign guys at market value or slightly less…….of course some external players block trades bc they want big markets, US teams, tax benefits, etc.

Buff, Mark, Helle, Wheeler, Josh we’re all reported by media to receive more if the6 went to UFA routes, so they signed market or cheaper value and I’m happy with all their deals. Most long term deals on all teams last 2-3 years have less value, same said for Wheeler his last couple years lost value but that’s normal on most UFA long term deals. I can’t think of any bad bottom six deals, Apples is cheap didn’t have a great year but his last year on deal so he’s gone.

 

[Bob E]

This talk of needing C's now that Kupari signed with Lugano, had me thinking. Which teams have an abundance of young C's that might be willing to trade one in the right deal to kick start their rebuild or try to make the playoffs after years of missing them.

Teams like CBJ who have Fantilli, Monahan, Jenner, Johnson and Lindstrom; Anaheim with Carlsson, McTavish, Strome and Zegras; or Utah with Cooley, Hayton, McBain, Schmaltz, Kerfoot or Beaudoin.

But then I think, who would the Jets give up in a trade that would entice one of those teams to move one of their excess C's? For a Jenner (MNTC), Monahan (NMC), Strome or Zegras what would those teams want from the Jets? Would a young prospect like Barlow or Lambert plus a pick work? Likely not. They want now players.

Chevy has a very difficult job ahead of him.

 

[surixon]

This talk of needing C's now that Kupari signed with Lugano, had me thinking. Which teams have an abundance of young C's that might be willing to trade one in the right deal to kick start their rebuild or try to make the playoffs after years of missing them.

Teams like CBJ who have Fantilli, Monahan, Jenner, Johnson and Lindstrom; Anaheim with Carlsson, McTavish, Strome and Zegras; or Utah with Cooley, Hayton, McBain, Schmaltz, Kerfoot or Beaudoin.

But then I think, who would the Jets give up in a trade that would entice one of those teams to move one of their excess C's? For a Jenner (MNTC), Monahan (NMC), Strome or Zegras what would those teams want from the Jets? Would a young prospect like Barlow or Lambert plus a pick work? Likely not. They want now players.

Chevy has a very difficult job ahead of him.

Thats the problem. We are trying to win so none of our established key guys are realistically on the market. We also don't have the prospect capital to get a grade A young C.

We might be able to poach a reclamation type C like Zegras or Dach, but those are hardly sure things.

 

[Buffdog]

Thats the problem. We are trying to win so none of our established key guys are realistically on the market. We also don't have the prospect capital to get a grade A young C.

We might be able to poach a reclamation type C like Zegras or Dach, but those are hardly sure things.

Didn't Zegras punch out some social influencer at 2:00am at a Hollywood party recently?

Doesn't seem like the type of guy that TNSE would be looking to add... and I'm sure that winnipeg isn't a place he'd be thrilled to be

 

[surixon]

Didn't Zegras punch out some social influencer at 2:00am at a Hollywood party recently?

Doesn't seem like the type of guy that TNSE would be looking to add... and I'm sure that winnipeg isn't a place he'd be thrilled to be

Didn't hear that. If so then yeah they won't touch him.

 

[Gm0ney]

Didn't Zegras punch out some social influencer at 2:00am at a Hollywood party recently?

You say that like it's a bad thing...?

 

[JetsFan815]

This talk of needing C's now that Kupari signed with Lugano, had me thinking. Which teams have an abundance of young C's that might be willing to trade one in the right deal to kick start their rebuild or try to make the playoffs after years of missing them.

Teams like CBJ who have Fantilli, Monahan, Jenner, Johnson and Lindstrom; Anaheim with Carlsson, McTavish, Strome and Zegras; or Utah with Cooley, Hayton, McBain, Schmaltz, Kerfoot or Beaudoin.

But then I think, who would the Jets give up in a trade that would entice one of those teams to move one of their excess C's? For a Jenner (MNTC), Monahan (NMC), Strome or Zegras what would those teams want from the Jets? Would a young prospect like Barlow or Lambert plus a pick work? Likely not. They want now players.

Chevy has a very difficult job ahead of him.

And that is before even accounting for that fact that even if the Jets managed to acquire them, half the guys on this list they will just play on the wing.

 

[JetsFan815]

He wouldnt have played with broken ribs...

Playing with cracked ribs is amazing though - severely limits your mobility... i did a dogsled season with that and it fkn sucks

it does beg the question why miller wasnt in for more games

Yeah says a lot when they played a 5/6 d-man with broken ribs over Miller who played really well and by the available accounts was fully healthy (esp considering he was well rested). I can understand being tempted to play an impact d-man like Morrissey, Samberg or even Pionk while he had a major injury like broken ribs... but what are we doing playing a 5/6 guy who is that hurt, esp when his entire game is about physicality. Replacing those guys while they are injured is exactly why teams acquired d-depth at the deadline.

 

[DRW204]

Miller gets a bit overhyped sometimes, I suppose he has usually a terrible draw next to Logan Stanley though, which needs to be taken to account. However Schenn was awful in the playoffs. A nice hit maybe once per game, sure. The rest of the time - slow, stiff, and limited puck skills. I didn't mind the addition bc they needed a warm body at RD but the cost of a 2nd and his level of play sheesh. & still another year left.

 

[Jets 31]

100% - i dont see any player available that replaces ehlers role with us...

Even if there was the chances that we would be able to get that UFA to come to Winnipeg are slim to none. Me personally i have no problem signing Ehlers to 8 years but i will have a problem when Ehlers loses his speed and isn't as effective and people on here then start bitching about Chevy being stupid signing Ehlers that long.

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

Yeah says a lot when they played a 5/6 d-man with broken ribs over Miller who played really well and by the available accounts was fully healthy (esp considering he was well rested). I can understand being tempted to play an impact d-man like Morrissey, Samberg or even Pionk while he had a major injury like broken ribs... but what are we doing playing a 5/6 guy who is that hurt, esp when his entire game is about physicality. Replacing those guys while they are injured is exactly why teams acquired d-depth at the deadline.

Something about Miller they don't like, Bones didn't like him and neither does Arnie seemingly, I also doubt it's related to his play, maybe an attitude thing I dunno but he is clearly the best 3RD we have and yet they never want to play him.