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2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

It's looking like Rossi wants a $7m x 7y contract. That coupled with his play in the playoffs is likely why the Wild want to move away from him. It all makes sense now.

Apparently the Wild offered him $5m x 5y and he rejected it. Wild wanted a late 1st or Foerster from Philly for him and Philly was unwilling to offer that up.

Something is up here. If the Wild want a late 1st for him and no team is willing to bite. There's gotta be more to it. Sure he was bad in the playoffs but he is young, it's wild that no one is taking a swing on this.

Yeah, it makes little sense. I mean 7 x 7 isn't that unrealistic an ask after a 60 point year 🤔. Are there attitude issues we aren't aware of because a late first seems like an underpayment.

It's a weird situation, teams very rarely put these types of young players on the market and they usually don't sell them for a discount.
 
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It's looking like Rossi wants a $7m x 7y contract. That coupled with his play in the playoffs is likely why the Wild want to move away from him. It all makes sense now.

Apparently the Wild offered him $5m x 5y and he rejected it. Wild wanted a late 1st or Foerster from Philly for him and Philly was unwilling to offer that up.

Something is up here. If the Wild want a late 1st for him and no team is willing to bite. There's gotta be more to it. Sure he was bad in the playoffs but he is young, it's wild that no one is taking a swing on this.
Let's say the Jets came up to Minnesotas demands, would they even consider trading him in division?
 
Yeah, it makes little sense. I mean 7 x 7 isn't that unrealistic an ask after a 60 point year 🤔. Are there attitude issues we aren't aware of because a late first seems like an underpayment.

It's a weird situation, teams very rarely put these types of young players on the market and they usually don't sell them for a discount.

That contract would come in at 7.33% of the cap. Roughly equivalent to what Knies is likely to sign for. But even if he has some issues you'd think a team like Philly, Pitts, the NY teams, Boston. Someone in the east would give it a shot.

Let's say the Jets came up to Minnesotas demands, would they even consider trading him in division?

It looks like they are trying to offload him to the east somewhere.
 
No one is pencilling him in to 2C. Just saying it's worth a try. Having a center depth of Scheif, Names, Lowry, Toews, Barron, Kupari is better than not. Plus we are always bound to have injuries so it's good to have center depth early on. If he ends up doing well higher up the lineup then we got a steal. If not then we continue to go shopping. We aren't likely to fill our 2C hole this offseason anyways,

There's a certain amount of offensive plays you can run with a center who is reliably winning draws, it adds a different element of a quick strike.

I think if Johnathan Toews tries a comeback it's because he thinks he's at a level to compete. 37 in a conference with some old guys isn't too old.

But it's limited warranty.

The Jets should have a backup plan.

Unless they feel Yager is going to be ready for the playoffs next season. If the playoffs are in sight.

Would be something to start the year with Scheif, Toews, Barron and Yager as centers in contrast to last season.
 
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It's a weird situation, teams very rarely put these types of young players on the market and they usually don't sell them for a discount.
The rumored late first seems wrong, they can easily get more with just an offer sheet, no way they offload the kid for a late first only.
 
There's a certain amount of offensive plays you can run with a center who is reliably winning draws, it adds a different element of a quick strike.

I think if Johnathan Toews tries a comeback it's because he thinks he's at a level to compete. 37 in a conference with some old guys isn't too old.

But it's limited warranty.

The Jets should have a backup plan.

Unless they feel Yager is going to be ready for the playoffs next season. If the playoffs are in sight.

Would be something to start the year with Scheif, Toews, Barron and Yager as centers in contrast to last season.
(TOEWS) 57% on FO over 20,000 is a beautiful stat that we desperately need!
 
We still have guys like Crosby, Ovie, and Kopitar performing at an elite level at their ages.

I keep coming back to how the lockout and having time off to get healthy completely rejuvenated Sealnne's career.

He was on a pretty big downward trend heading into the lockout. But after a year off at age 34 he came back and was a 1st line caliber player into his 40's.

Not saying it will happen with Toews but it's a possibility and I'd be more then wling to take that chance.
 
More on Toews. His drop off from a 1st line caliber player directly coincided with the pandemic and his trouble with his illness.

The year before COVID he had 80 points in 81 games with very positive metrics.

The year of COVID he had 60 points in 70 games and then shredded the Oilers in the play in round and put up 9 points in 9 playoff games. He then got COVID and was poor the next two years battling long COVID. His metrics weren't great that year but his team wasn't very good either.

If he's healthy he might be able to get back close to his pre COVID levels and if so he solves so many issues for us.

So it seems it was his illness that lead to a substantial drop off in play and not him getting older. I'm sure even before COVId he wasn't the player he was in his peak but he was still a darn good hockey player. That player is likely capable of playing as our 2C in a non matxhuo role.
 
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More on Toews. His drop off from a 1st line caliber player directly coincided with the pandemic and his trouble with his illness.

The year before COVID he had 80 points in 81 games.

The year of COVID he had 60 points in 70 games and then shredded the Oilers in the play in round and put up 9 points in 9 playoff games. He then got COVID and was poor the next two years battling long COVID.

If he's healthy he might be able to get back close to his pre COVID levels and if so he solves so many issues for us.

So it seems it was his illness that lead to a substantial drop off in play and not him getting older. I'm sure even before COVId he wasn't the player he was in his peak but he was still a darn good hockey player.
Seriously, why are even talking about a 37 year old Toews, guys is done! Bur Sip he had 81 points 7 years ago in the 18-19 season, yeah and I still had hair then!

Jets need to serioulsy be looking for Ehlers replacement not some guy to play 20-30 games as a 4th line centre!
 
More on Toews. His drop off from a 1st line caliber player directly coincided with the pandemic and his trouble with his illness.

The year before COVID he had 80 points in 81 games.

The year of COVID he had 60 points in 70 games and then shredded the Oilers in the play in round and put up 9 points in 9 playoff games. He then got COVID and was poor the next two years battling long COVID.

If he's healthy he might be able to get back close to his pre COVID levels and if so he solves so many issues for us.

So it seems it was his illness that lead to a substantial drop off in play and not him getting older. I'm sure even before COVId he wasn't the player he was in his peak but he was still a darn good hockey player.

I agree with you here. The ceiling for Toews is higher than Namestnikov.

Chibrikov had 2 goals and a PP apple in 4 games I think if Ehlers walks the top 6 replacement is in house.

Could see something Namestnikov-Barron-Iafallo as a 3rd line to start, a combination that's been tried before.

And I think the goal should be to have a 4th line that is as good as the 3rd line, not just an energy line, pucks in deep.
 
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There's a certain amount of offensive plays you can run with a center who is reliably winning draws, it adds a different element of a quick strike.

I think if Johnathan Toews tries a comeback it's because he thinks he's at a level to compete. 37 in a conference with some old guys isn't too old.

But it's limited warranty.

The Jets should have a backup plan.

Unless they feel Yager is going to be ready for the playoffs next season. If the playoffs are in sight.

Would be something to start the year with Scheif, Toews, Barron and Yager as centers in contrast to last season.

I think it's pretty likely Yager is going to need a full season in the A at the very least. He'll get a look at camp but I wouldn't expect him to challenge yet. I think the backup plan is essentially to roll with what we have. Unless of course an opportunity presents itself to get someone else but I don't see that happening in FA. More likely close to or at the deadline.
 
More on Toews. His drop off from a 1st line caliber player directly coincided with the pandemic and his trouble with his illness.

The year before COVID he had 80 points in 81 games with very positive metrics.

The year of COVID he had 60 points in 70 games and then shredded the Oilers in the play in round and put up 9 points in 9 playoff games. He then got COVID and was poor the next two years battling long COVID. His metrics weren't great that year but his team wasn't very good easier.

If he's healthy he might be able to get back close to his pre COVID levels and if so he solves so many issues for us.

So it seems it was his illness that lead to a substantial drop off in play and not him getting older. I'm sure even before COVId he wasn't the player he was in his peak but he was still a darn good hockey player. That player is likely capable of playing as our 2C in a non matxhuo role.

I'd assume with the time off he's been training pretty heavily and got the point where he feels he can contribute. We know he's got the drive, we know he's got the IQ, we know he's got the defensive game. The amount of time he's had off could have rejuvenated him. I'd rather he takes a chance with our team then going to somewhere like Colorado and shredding us in the playoffs and then all the sudden all the people here who are discounting him end up saying "We should have signed him, I can't believe we didn't sign him." As if they knew all along.
 
The rumored late first seems wrong, they can easily get more with just an offer sheet, no way they offload the kid for a late first only.

That news comes from Anthony Di Marco whose pretty plugged into Philly, he's generally reliable from what I've seen. Also sort of confirmed by Pagnotta.

The Wild wanted 22nd overall or Tyson Foerster. Philly was unwilling to do either and then ended up resigning Foerster a signing which Di Marco broke.

It seems like there is something that the general public is unaware of. Not sure if it's a health concern, maybe underlying metrics or just that the league is starting to shy away from small perimeter players again. There's definitely more to it.
 
I think it's pretty likely Yager is going to need a full season in the A at the very least. He'll get a look at camp but I wouldn't expect him to challenge yet. I think the backup plan is essentially to roll with what we have. Unless of course an opportunity presents itself to get someone else but I don't see that happening in FA. More likely close to or at the deadline.

Do you think Kupari comes back?

It could just be an Ehlers for Chibrikov swap in the top 6. But the Jets will have some Cap space if Ehlers goes, I'd expect there is still something left after re-signing RFAs. Toews would be an incentive laden contract, probably 2.5 million max up front?

I'm wondering how the Jets will improve their PK without Adam Lowry to start the year. Who's the guys to step up? Barron seems like he is up for it. Would you go Toews or Scheifele at this point? I guarantee Scheif wants to do everything he can to make Team Canada. But the Jets need his offense to win. This is one area I am interested to see how Yager fares. I think he was the go to faceoff guy on the PK for Team Canada last year, be pretty good change to have him and Toews snapping them back at around the 55% rate, especially with Lowry out who took most of the key d-zone draws.

I could see him making the team out of camp and being the guy demoted when the Captain comes back. Just for the learning experience/team building.

But you never know who is making the biggest strides in the offseason with training to take the biggest step forward next season.
 
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Do you think Kupari comes back?

It could just be an Ehlers for Chibrikov swap in the top 6. But the Jets will have some Cap space if Ehlers goes, I'd expect there is still something left after re-signing RFAs. Toews would be an incentive laden contract, probably 2.5 million max up front?

I'm wondering how the Jets will improve their PK without Adam Lowry to start the year. Who's the guys to step up? Barron seems like he is up for it. Would you go Toews or Scheifele at this point? I guarantee Scheif wants to do everything he can to make Team Canada. But the Jets need his offense to win. This is one area I am interested to see how Yager fares. I think he was the go to faceoff guy on the PK for Team Canada last year, be pretty good change to have him and Toews snapping them back at around the 55% rate, especially with Lowry out who took most of the key d-zone draws.

I could see him making the team out of camp and being the guy demoted when the Captain comes back. Just for the learning experience/team building.

But you never know who is making the biggest strides in the offseason with training to take the biggest step forward next season.

Arniel was asked about young players at his year end presser and he indicated that he didn't want to promote them until they were ready to stick full time. I'd imagine the plan is for Yager to play the whole year on the Moose. There isn't a need to rush him and the org won't put him in until he's ready to stick if the coach is to be believed.
 
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Do you think Kupari comes back?

It could just be an Ehlers for Chibrikov swap in the top 6. But the Jets will have some Cap space if Ehlers goes, I'd expect there is still something left after re-signing RFAs. Toews would be an incentive laden contract, probably 2.5 million max up front?

I'm wondering how the Jets will improve their PK without Adam Lowry to start the year. Who's the guys to step up? Barron seems like he is up for it. Would you go Toews or Scheifele at this point? I guarantee Scheif wants to do everything he can to make Team Canada. But the Jets need his offense to win. This is one area I am interested to see how Yager fares. I think he was the go to faceoff guy on the PK for Team Canada last year, be pretty good change to have him and Toews snapping them back at around the 55% rate, especially with Lowry out who took most of the key d-zone draws.

I could see him making the team out of camp and being the guy demoted when the Captain comes back. Just for the learning experience/team building.

But you never know who is making the biggest strides in the offseason with training to take the biggest step forward next season.

Kupari and Barron are RFAs. I imagine Kupari will sign a 2 year deal, Barron probably 1, maybe 2. We can really open up some breathing room if we move Schenn and Stanley. So hopefully those moves are made and that gives us more room to go a little higher with Ehlers to secure him and also bring in Toews. We would also have room for another depth signing, preferably a 3LD.

With Toews if he's up to game shape he's probably looking at a 3C/PK1/PP2 role provided he's up for it. At least until Lowry comes back. If he can't hack it then Barron is likely in that role. Chibs and Lambert will likely have to fight it out for bottom 6 roles if Ehlers is back in, if not then 1 of them has a shot at 2nd line. We may also bring Rashevsky over from Russia and given his pedigree he may have the inside track on a 2nd line wing role without Ehlers.

Yager, Julien and Barlow likely anchor the Moose top lines. With Lambert or Chibs going up or down depending on how they preform. I wouldn't expect either of Barlow, Julien or Yager to get much Jet time after training camp unless they take massive steps forward this offseason. It's more likely they spend an entire year in the A while Chibs and Lambert get longer looks with the big club. The Jets have rarely given players directly out of Junior long looks with the big team unless they are coming in with very high end skillset like Ehlers. Pretty much everyone has spent time in the A, especially if it looks like they are more likely top 6 bound. Jets won't be feeding a 20 year old top 6 minutes out of junior and they don't want them getting bottom 6 minutes at 20 generally. They want them getting top 6 minutes in the A to start, get used to the systems and then eventually work their way in.
 
Kupari and Barron are RFAs. I imagine Kupari will sign a 2 year deal, Barron probably 1, maybe 2. We can really open up some breathing room if we move Schenn and Stanley. So hopefully those moves are made and that gives us more room to go a little higher with Ehlers to secure him and also bring in Toews. We would also have room for another depth signing, preferably a 3LD.

With Toews if he's up to game shape he's probably looking at a 3C/PK1/PP2 role provided he's up for it. At least until Lowry comes back. If he can't hack it then Barron is likely in that role. Chibs and Lambert will likely have to fight it out for bottom 6 roles if Ehlers is back in, if not then 1 of them has a shot at 2nd line. We may also bring Rashevsky over from Russia and given his pedigree he may have the inside track on a 2nd line wing role without Ehlers.

Yager, Julien and Barlow likely anchor the Moose top lines. With Lambert or Chibs going up or down depending on how they preform. I wouldn't expect either of Barlow, Julien or Yager to get much Jet time after training camp unless they take massive steps forward this offseason. It's more likely they spend an entire year in the A while Chibs and Lambert get longer looks with the big club. The Jets have rarely given players directly out of Junior long looks with the big team unless they are coming in with very high end skillset like Ehlers. Pretty much everyone has spent time in the A, especially if it looks like they are more likely top 6 bound. Jets won't be feeding a 20 year old top 6 minutes out of junior and they don't want them getting bottom 6 minutes at 20 generally. They want them getting top 6 minutes in the A to start, get used to the systems and then eventually work their way in.

Our team was nowhere near as deep when Ehlers and Laine cracked the team without AHL time. Since then all of our young players have gotten atleast a year of AHL time and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
 
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Seriously, why are even talking about a 37 year old Toews, guys is done! Bur Sip he had 81 points 7 years ago in the 18-19 season, yeah and I still had hair then!

Jets need to serioulsy be looking for Ehlers replacement not some guy to play 20-30 games as a 4th line centre!

People are going to be so disappointed in him with these expectations. 4C and maybe something more.
 
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People are going to be so disappointed in him with these expectations. 4C and maybe something more.

The maybe something more possibility is all people should care about. He either sinks or swims. Nobody is expecting him to be prime Toews. But he doesn't have to be to make a difference. Perry isn't even close to prime Perry anymore but he makes a difference. Even if he comes back as a 1/4 of prime Toews he's still likely better than 99% of the options the smallest market team in the league is going to have this summer.
 
Kupari and Barron are RFAs. I imagine Kupari will sign a 2 year deal, Barron probably 1, maybe 2. We can really open up some breathing room if we move Schenn and Stanley. So hopefully those moves are made and that gives us more room to go a little higher with Ehlers to secure him and also bring in Toews. We would also have room for another depth signing, preferably a 3LD.

With Toews if he's up to game shape he's probably looking at a 3C/PK1/PP2 role provided he's up for it. At least until Lowry comes back. If he can't hack it then Barron is likely in that role. Chibs and Lambert will likely have to fight it out for bottom 6 roles if Ehlers is back in, if not then 1 of them has a shot at 2nd line. We may also bring Rashevsky over from Russia and given his pedigree he may have the inside track on a 2nd line wing role without Ehlers.

Yager, Julien and Barlow likely anchor the Moose top lines. With Lambert or Chibs going up or down depending on how they preform. I wouldn't expect either of Barlow, Julien or Yager to get much Jet time after training camp unless they take massive steps forward this offseason. It's more likely they spend an entire year in the A while Chibs and Lambert get longer looks with the big club. The Jets have rarely given players directly out of Junior long looks with the big team unless they are coming in with very high end skillset like Ehlers. Pretty much everyone has spent time in the A, especially if it looks like they are more likely top 6 bound. Jets won't be feeding a 20 year old top 6 minutes out of junior and they don't want them getting bottom 6 minutes at 20 generally. They want them getting top 6 minutes in the A to start, get used to the systems and then eventually work their way in.

Kupari was ok at the defensive game, I wouldn't say he was altogether impactful.

That's where I see Barron being the kind of player the Jets should invest in. 3/4 years because he's improving his skating every year, it seems.

A 4C that can move up the lineup. I'm not sure Kupari and Gus are exactly that.

I am not against trading Kupari for a different kind of center, maybe one with a higher ceiling as a 1st round pick.

I wonder if Toews is the kind of name brand player the Jets try to replace Ehlers with. Winning the opening draw on a PP opens up the shooters, one of whom is Scheifele.

To me it's 2C or 4C, with Namestnikov as a safety valve. Lowry to me showed 2C qualities outplaying Schenn and shutting down Hintz. I think if Toews joined the Jets he wouldn't get the best on best matchups Lowry still would. So maybe that is the 3C in the matrix. Toews on an energy line, as you want your best PKers to be your best skaters, seems harder to fathom.

I agree about Yager it's highly unlikely he's ready to go in camp. Just think it would be cool if he did. I would still like to see Barlow-Yager-Lambert as the opening day top line for the Moose.

Little more optimistic about CHL centers being able to play center at the AHL level. Lambert I don't think plays center at all this year, but tries to weaponize his speed like Ehlers.

In their callups I consider Chibrikov more successful than Lambert in impact. Going into camp being in the last year of his ELC I suspect the Jets give Chibrikov a chance to make an impression and have a chance to earn a spot.

Parker Ford was last cut his rookie year, stepped up last year, played ahead of Lambert in the bottom 6. Probably get more hits out of him and JAD than Tanev so there's I think some competition ahead of next season's TC.

3 injured prospects going into the playoffs and Lucius having to retire had some impact on this season.

Only change I'd make on defense is demote Heinola to Moose. Think Fleury and Chynoweth are on the same page. If Salomonsson wins a spot in camp Luke Schenn probably gets traded home to his family unless they move here for the year.
 
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Montreal is nuts....

The Basu & Godin Notebook

Patrik Laine is more likely to replace Nikolaj Ehlers in Winnipeg than to play with him in Montreal. – Arpon Basu. We don’t know if Laine would agree to go back there, and his no-trade clause means he’ll have a say in all this. But in a world where the Jets are letting Ehlers go, maybe picking up a guy like Laine would make sense.

We know that over there, the third line (Adam Lowry’s) plays a lot, which makes it easier to “hide” a player like Laine in the line-up and deploy him mostly with the man advantage. And if the Habs are willing to withhold 50% of Laine’s salary, who knows if the Jets wouldn’t be interested in bringing him back at a rather modest cap hit of $4.35 million.
 

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