2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[jokesondee]

While i would love a very good young 2nd center , who are we getting that doesn't have a no-trade clause or is ok with playing in Winnipeg ? That's a very small list of players for Chevy to choose from plus how many teams are wanting to trade one of those players if they have one ? All reasons we should give Perfetti a try there at the beginning of the season, who knows maybe we already have a good young 2nd line center.

I hear what youre saying, but its a lot of ifs and buts and candies and nuts. I like Perfetti and Lambert but neither guy screams let alone whispers 2C solution. Scheifele will be 33 next spring so in reality were likely going to need another top line center in the next 2-3 years to boot, or else slam goes our window. Yager may turn into that in a few years but even that is a huge maybe. We really need a proven top 2 center asap to jive with our win now mode.

 

[surixon]

I've seen some speculation about Dobson maybe getting moved due to having a little bit to high of contract demands on Long Island. Speculation is around 8y x $10m.

He's 25, big 6'4 RHD. Had a bit of a down year but the Isles had a down year by committee with Barzal missing so much time. There is a good chance they are picking up Matthew Schaefer 1OA.

Have to wonder what it would take to pry Dobson out of there. A Morrissey-Dobson top pairing is the stuff dreams are made of.

It would take a Kings ransom I'd think. Can't see us gutting our future for him even though he's exactly what we need.

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

I'm not writing off Rossi, Minnesota is. Obviously they see something in him they think he can't overcome or they wouldn't have limited his playing time nor have him on the trade block.

From what I can tell it just seems like Guerin doesn't want to pay Rossi the 7m he wants and mostly because of his size and because they have other prospects like Yurov who can take his place for far cheaper, I can see that point of view but doesn't mean Rossi is not worth pursuing.

The kid is young and has already proven he can put up good numbers in a top six centre role with talent around him which he would have with us in Ehlers (hopefully) and Fetts, obviously we cannot afford to give away talent but offer sheeting him should be a no brainer.

 

[surixon]

From what I can tell it just seems like Guerin doesn't want to pay Rossi the 7m he wants and mostly because of his size and because they have other prospects like Yurov who can take his place for far cheaper, I can see that point of view but doesn't mean Rossi is not worth pursuing.

The kid is young and has already proven he can put up good numbers in a top six centre role with talent around him which he would have with us in Ehlers (hopefully) and Fetts, obviously we cannot afford to give away talent but offer sheeting him should be a no brainer.

He's definitely a good young player, but I question if he's a good fit. If Ehelrs comes back then we have a lot of smaller skilled guys in our top 6.

I'd personally want to add some complimentary size to line two to play with Cole and Fly.

 

[Huffer]

I would be interested in the thought of acquiring Rossi, but it would have to include the following:
1) The cost to acquire is not huge
2) The cost to extend is not huge and doesn't interfere with our other key signings
3) The Jets would need to commit (IMO) to a 3 line team, and add more size on the wings, and possibly another larger centre. And you wouldn't be able to hard line match Lowry's line because you'd have a scoring wing like possibly Perfetti on there. So you'd have to roll your lines more.

I don't really see all of that happening, and likely 0 of the 3 honestly. Well, maybe number 1 as I don't think the cost will be astronomical.

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

He's definitely a good young player, but I question if he's a good fit. If Ehelrs comes back then we have a lot of smaller skilled guys in our top 6.

I'd personally want to add some complimentary size to line two to play with Cole and Fly.

Size is great but only if it comes with some skill, I will take skill over size any day of the week, we have seen Lowry trying to drive that line and it didn't exactly work out well.

Is there another 2C out there we can acquire who is big and skilled?

If you want some size then just run Vilardi on that second line wing, throw Fetts or Ehlers on the top line.

 

[jokesondee]

The Wild would be less than enthusiastic about trading him to a division rival. Especially us.

 

[surixon]

Size is great but only if it comes with some skill, I will take skill over size any day of the week, we have seen Lowry trying to drive that line and it didn't exactly work out well.

Is there another 2C out there we can acquire who is big and skilled?

If you want some size then just run Vilardi on that second line wing, throw Fetts or Ehlers on the top line.

Sorry if I didn't specify, the size would need to have top 6 talent. Imo we need a Vilardi type on each of our top 2 lines to work the boards and finish in tight.

 

[surixon]

I would be interested in the thought of acquiring Rossi, but it would have to include the following:
1) The cost to acquire is not huge
2) The cost to extend is not huge and doesn't interfere with our other key signings
3) The Jets would need to commit (IMO) to a 3 line team, and add more size on the wings, and possibly another larger centre. And you wouldn't be able to hard line match Lowry's line because you'd have a scoring wing like possibly Perfetti on there. So you'd have to roll your lines more.

I don't really see all of that happening, and likely 0 of the 3 honestly. Well, maybe number 1 as I don't think the cost will be astronomical.

Yeah, I have a hard time seeing the org change their deployment template anytime soon.

 

[Huffer]

I've seen some speculation about Dobson maybe getting moved due to having a little bit to high of contract demands on Long Island. Speculation is around 8y x $10m.

He's 25, big 6'4 RHD. Had a bit of a down year but the Isles had a down year by committee with Barzal missing so much time. There is a good chance they are picking up Matthew Schaefer 1OA.

Have to wonder what it would take to pry Dobson out of there. A Morrissey-Dobson top pairing is the stuff dreams are made of.

It would take a Kings ransom I'd think. Can't see us gutting our future for him even though he's exactly what we need.

Personally I'm not very interested in Dobson for the following reasons:

1) Because of his offensive season 2 years ago and because he plays RHD, the cost to acquire will be high.
2) Similar to above, but the cost to extend will also be high.

Generally speaking, the combo of spending a high amount of assets to acquire someone, and then signing them to their max contract is kind of the worst way to build your team. Not saying you should never do it, as it was a great move for the Panthers getting Tkachuk, but these moves are the costliest.

But the other big thing is, there is a reason why a very large percentage of Islander fans have been ok with moving Dobson for almost this entire year, and it has nothing to do with winning the first overall pick. They understand point #2 above, and have been watching his defensive play and it's not something they think they should spend 9 or 10 million on.

My fear would be you spend a ton of trade capital on him and then a huge amount of cap space (he'd be paid as our #1D until Morrissey gets re-signed), and then if his defense doesn't improve you can't trust him for big minutes in the playoffs and now you have a 10M Power Play specialist.

For me, the cost to acquire would have to be reasonable, and his contract demands would have to be reasonable based on his overall play, which doesn't sound like his ask. And then you have the additional issue with the Jets needing to re-sign Connor and Samberg, and if they can't sign Ehlers (and even if we can), we have a huge need to improve the top 6/9, and now we don't have the trade capital and certainly not the cap space to improve it. You'd likely need to include Demelo as well as you'll need to move him from a position perspective as well as a cap one. You don't include Salo because you'd need his ELC more than ever.

 

[Huffer]

Yeah, I have a hard time seeing the org change their deployment template anytime soon.

Me neither. Although it would be nice to try if they had the horses.

 

[surixon]

Personally I'm not very interested in Dobson for the following reasons:

1) Because of his offensive season 2 years ago and because he plays RHD, the cost to acquire will be high.
2) Similar to above, but the cost to extend will also be high.

Generally speaking, the combo of spending a high amount of assets to acquire someone, and then signing them to their max contract is kind of the worst way to build your team. Not saying you should never do it, as it was a great move for the Panthers getting Tkachuk, but these moves are the costliest.

But the other big thing is, there is a reason why a very large percentage of Islander fans have been ok with moving Dobson for almost this entire year, and it has nothing to do with winning the first overall pick. They understand point #2 above, and have been watching his defensive play and it's not something they think they should spend 9 or 10 million on.

My fear would be you spend a ton of trade capital on him and then a huge amount of cap space (he'd be paid as our #1D until Morrissey gets re-signed), and then if his defense doesn't improve you can't trust him for big minutes in the playoffs and now you have a 10M Power Play specialist.

For me, the cost to acquire would have to be reasonable, and his contract demands would have to be reasonable based on his overall play, which doesn't sound like his ask. And then you have the additional issue with the Jets needing to re-sign Connor and Samberg, and if they can't sign Ehlers (and even if we can), we have a huge need to improve the top 6/9, and now we don't have the trade capital and certainly not the cap space to improve it. You'd likely need to include Demelo as well as you'll need to move him from a position perspective as well as a cap one. You don't include Salo because you'd need his ELC more than ever.

I'd rather just spend cap space on Ekblad myself. If they want Dobson then I'd consider an offer sheet but not interested in gutting what we already have.

 

[surixon]

Me neither. Although it would be nice to try if they had the horses.

Agreed. But I believe that as long as Lowry is here and performing they continue to run a shut down line around him.

 

[Huffer]

I'd rather just spend cap space on Ekblad myself. If they want Dobson then I'd consider an offer sheet but not interested in gutting what we already have.

He'd be the type I think the Jets could use for sure, the question would be his health. And getting him without having to trade assets is huge. Oh who are we kidding, we know he's not signing here lol.

Honestly, I don't see the Jets adding much more cap dollars to the D this offseason (besides the increase to Samberg). I think they have big holes with their forwards and need all the money they can to spend there. And it's possible if they improve the forwards it could help the D as well.

 

[surixon]

He'd be the type I think the Jets could use for sure, the question would be his health. And getting him without having to trade assets is huge. Oh who are we kidding, we know he's not signing here lol.

Honestly, I don't see the Jets adding much more cap dollars to the D this offseason (besides the increase to Samberg). I think they have big holes with their forwards and need all the money they can to spend there. And it's possible if they improve the forwards it could help the D as well.

Yeah he's probably not but it's fun to dream until the cruel reality of FA sets in the first week of July lol.

 

[Flair Hay]

I've seen some speculation about Dobson maybe getting moved due to having a little bit to high of contract demands on Long Island. Speculation is around 8y x $10m.

He's 25, big 6'4 RHD. Had a bit of a down year but the Isles had a down year by committee with Barzal missing so much time. There is a good chance they are picking up Matthew Schaefer 1OA.

Have to wonder what it would take to pry Dobson out of there. A Morrissey-Dobson top pairing is the stuff dreams are made of.

I could see the Jets being in there like a dirty shirt if he is available as a rental this spring

 

[Flair Hay]

He'd be the type I think the Jets could use for sure, the question would be his health. And getting him without having to trade assets is huge. Oh who are we kidding, we know he's not signing here lol.

Pretty much. Anything more than fun speculation is wishful thinking for us.

 

[Flair Hay]

I'm not writing off Rossi, Minnesota is. Obviously they see something in him they think he can't overcome or they wouldn't have limited his playing time nor have him on the trade block.

The question becomes are they right? Some guys rise to the occasion and others don't. I've already stated about twenty million times I'm okay with acquiring him and giving it a shot if it's cheap. But I will not give up anything of high value to get him, to much risk involved. We'll see if the Jets share that mindset. It's also predicated on whether they would even deal him in division.

I'm pretty sure this is just to clear cap and recoup assets so they can sign Nelson? That's my interpretation anyway.

 

[Flair Hay]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Jets dominated puck possession in both series.

44% xGF%, 51% corsi, 37% GF% at 5v5 this post season.

Obviously Helle vs STL explains a lot of that last number, but we were solid enough 5v5 but not dominant.

 

[surixon]

I'm pretty sure this is just to clear cap and recoup assets so they can sign Nelson? That's my interpretation anyway.

The Wild have $17 million in cap space with 3 roster spots to fill. I can't see signing Nelson is at all a problem with their available cap space. There is no need to make a cap dump trade.

 

[bumblebeeman]

Sorry if I didn't specify, the size would need to have top 6 talent. Imo we need a Vilardi type on each of our top 2 lines to work the boards and finish in tight.

If size is the issue, why not just put Vilardi on the 2nd line at let Scheif be the big guy on the 1st line. I guess he doesn't play a grinding game, but he's not soft either.

Connor - Scheifele - Ehlers
Perfetti - Rossi - Vilardi

Looks like a pretty nice top 6 to me. Could swap Ehlers and Perfetti potentially too. Maybe the 1st line won't be able to work the boards as well, but they'll be wicked fast and not need to dump and chase too much

 

[surixon]

If size is the issue, why not just put Vilardi on the 2nd line at let Scheif be the big guy on the 1st line. I guess he doesn't play a grinding game, but he's not soft either.

Connor - Scheifele - Ehlers
Perfetti - Rossi - Vilardi

Looks like a pretty nice top 6 to me. Could swap Ehlers and Perfetti potentially too. Maybe the 1st line won't be able to work the boards as well, but they'll be wicked fast and not need to dump and chase too much

Not enough speed on line 2 this way. To me it isn't at all a balanced top 6.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

If size is the issue, why not just put Vilardi on the 2nd line at let Scheif be the big guy on the 1st line. I guess he doesn't play a grinding game, but he's not soft either.

Connor - Scheifele - Ehlers
Perfetti - Rossi - Vilardi

The Italian Stallion line.

 

[bumblebeeman]

Not enough speed on line 2 this way. To me it isn't at all a balanced top 6.

Swap Ehlers and Perfetti?

 

[Keystone]

I wouldn’t have a problem offer sheeting Rossi if he’s open to it. Maybe the only way he gets his 7 mil. But I’d probably only do it if Ehlers was leaving cause I’d want some size on that second line. Not sure who the target would be for that. Probably trading some prospects to get it.