2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[WolfHouse]

Our critical need is a 2C who is actually a 2C, Copp is just not that, whilst good off the dot and defensively sound it's just a sideways move from Vlad, and this is assuming Detroit wants to move him because we would absolutely need retention at his ugly cap hit.

I honestly just don't see the point, I mean Barron is basically Copp if you elevated him into a 2C role, great off the dot, big and fast, defensively sound, can probably even rack up more points if he played with Ehlers and Fetts all season and he doesn't cost you 5-6m cap.

Im a big fan of barron or perfetti at 2c... i think thats the long term answer and the sooner the better

Id bring in copp to mentor those guys - hes good defensively and good on faceoffs... best case scenario one of them seizes the role and copp is pushed down to our checking line

I think the price for copp would be reasonable and i have ptsd knowing that we almost got saddled with henrique and nelson last year - neither of which actually fill needs

Hes a vet presence that doesnt break the bank - detroit would likely retain 2m because they have the space...

 

[Daximus]

Not to belabour the point, but Barron has produced more primary offence (goals and primary assists) per 60 minutes at 5v5 than Dach has, and Barron has played predominantly with 4th liners. Barron has elite speed and size and is in the upper echelons in terms of physicality (hits rate). Dach had only 73 points in his draft year in the WHL. I don't really see evidence that he's going to become a big producer. All things considered, I have more confidence in Barron at C than Dach at this point.

I've been on the try Barron at 2C train as well though. It's just fun getting a reclamation project for cheap. Trades like that can turn you into a contender quickly if they work out.

 

[surixon]

Dach is barely scraping 40% faceoffs... id rather let perfetti sink or swim at C

I bring in Dach to add size and some offense at wing. I think Habs fans have said he's better there. I'd also be moving Cole into the middle with or without Dach.

 

[surixon]

I've been on the try Barron at 2C train as well though. It's just fun getting a reclamation project for cheap. Trades like that can turn you into a contender quickly if they work out.

Yeah. You don't trade for Dach if your scouts believe that what you see is what you get. You trade for him if you still belive there is untapped upside and that you believe you can get him to an everyday top 6 level.

This org has a hard time acquiring talent so it needs to get creative about it. Acquiring high pedigree young players who for whatever reason have underachieved and can be had at a discount is one such way to potentially up the orgs skill level.

 

[kylbaz]

He's a 24 year old former #3 overall who had injury issues, I don't see them giving him away for cheap. They aren't giving up on him. I'd def be on board though

 

[surixon]

He's a 24 year old former #3 overall who had injury issues, I don't see them giving him away for cheap. They aren't giving up on him. I'd def be on board though

It depends. They have limited cap space and if they want to add some key pieces in FA they will need to offload money from somewhere. Dach is one of the few without trade protection.

 

[kylbaz]

It depends. They have limited cap space and if they want to add some key pieces in FA they will need to offload money from somewhere. Dach is one of the few without trade protection.

Seems on Habs forum they don't like him at all and are okay to move on.

 

[Daximus]

Seems on Habs forum they don't like him at all and are okay to move on.

Now just have to hope their org feels the same way

 

[bumblebeeman]

I feel with the Jets now isn't really the time to be going for unproven reclamation type players like Dach for the 2nd line. And for Barron, the Jets could have given him some top 6 time when they had injuries and they didn't, and I think that shows how they feel about him and his potential. He makes sense to replace Appleton on the 3rd line tho, but even that will be a tough battle with Iafallo for that spot.

 

[DRW204]

Not sure how to feel about Barron as top 6 C. He did have some unimpressive top 6 wing stints I beleive in 22-23 when scheifele was playing with a turnstile of wingers (the kuhlman, saku m, gagner era). But that was few years ago and not alot of mins to make any conclusions.

He's big, fast, I think his puck skills are solid. Ive seen posts about how he doesn't use his linemates.. His linemates have consisted of Tanev, Kupari, Gustafsson, and Iafallo. Exception of Iafallo, none of them are top 9ers. Additionally, I don't really view any of them with standout offensive skills. So, I can see perhaps why more of the onus is on him.

IIRC couple years ago his goal scoring at 5v5 given his TOI and role was actually pretty solid. Pair him with some a average to above average top 6ers maybe there is something there?

However, as post above mentioned, he hasn't received a sniff at 2C the past couple seasons and I think the team has casted him as a bottom 6er. Not sure they feel the same as this forum.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I like Barron's game but I don't see much in the way of vision, passing or puck skills generally. Seems like a north south winger with size and speed that can and will drive to the net when he gets the chance. Still valuable but I'm not sure I see him feeding Ehlers / Perfetti on a consistent basis.

 

[surixon]

I like Barron's game but I don't see much in the way of vision, passing or puck skills generally. Seems like a north south winger with size and speed that can and will drive to the net when he gets the chance. Still valuable but I'm not sure I see him feeding Ehlers / Perfetti on a consistent basis.

Thats what I see as well. He's your quintessential bottom sixer who has the tools to contribute in that type of simplified role. Not sure he reads the game or has the skill to play with skilled players in a more complex offensive system up the lineup.

 

[Daximus]

Thats what I see as well. He's your quintessential bottom sixer who has the tools to contribute in that type of simplified role. Not sure he reads the game or has the skill to play with skilled players in a more complex offensive system up the lineup.

Only one way to find out.

 

[surixon]

Only one way to find out.

Sure give it a shot but I'd rather give others a shot over him for that role.

 

[Buffdog]

Seems on Habs forum they don't like him at all and are okay to move on.

Which is hilarious, because they refused to include him in a PLD trade at the time since they were busy pencilling him into the HHOF

Ironically, PLD (this past season's version) is EXACTLY what the Habs need in their undersized top 6 right now... hig bodied centre with a little snarl at times

I guess they'll just wait until he's a UFA and he'll head home... lol

 

[Buffdog]

Thats what I see as well. He's your quintessential bottom sixer who has the tools to contribute in that type of simplified role. Not sure he reads the game or has the skill to play with skilled players in a more complex offensive system up the lineup.

Some people just look at P/60 and don't stop to consider that a 4th line toolbox doesn't translate well to playing with skilled, creative forwards most of the time

Barron does well as a north/south, chip and chase, cycle down low, low to high, crash the net player

 

[surixon]

Some people just look at P/60 and don't stop to consider that a 4th line toolbox doesn't translate well to playing with skilled, creative forwards most of the time

Barron does well as a north/south, chip and chase, cycle down low, low to high, crash the net player

Even then his p/60 has never been above a 4th line level. It's not like he's Perrault that posted strong p/60 numbers while on the fourth line.

 

[Daximus]

Some people just look at P/60 and don't stop to consider that a 4th line toolbox doesn't translate well to playing with skilled, creative forwards most of the time

Barron does well as a north/south, chip and chase, cycle down low, low to high, crash the net player

That could potentially be exactly what that line needs. Someone to cause some chaos and win the board battles while they look for the soft ice. Will Barron have the ability to find them is the question but I think its worth a shot.

 

[Buffdog]

That could potentially be exactly what that line needs. Someone to cause some chaos and win the board battles while they look for the soft ice. Will Barron have the ability to find them is the question but I think its worth a shot.

Maybe... it's not uncommon for a skilled centre/winger combo to have a grinder-type 2nd winger to complement them... but off the top of my head, I can't think of two skilled wingers being paired with a centre like that

One of the upsides to having a winger in that role is that since they're usually up high in the D zone, they get down the ice first and can establish the forecheck. A lot harder to to if you're the centre helping down low

 

[Daximus]

Maybe... it's not uncommon for a skilled centre/winger combo to have a grinder-type 2nd winger to complement them... but off the top of my head, I can't think of two skilled wingers being paired with a centre like that

One of the upsides to having a winger in that role is that since they're usually up high in the D zone, they get down the ice first and can establish the forecheck. A lot harder to to if you're the centre helping down low

Yeah though it often seems like its Names establishing the forecheck on that line anyways.

 

[surixon]

Maybe... it's not uncommon for a skilled centre/winger combo to have a grinder-type 2nd winger to complement them... but off the top of my head, I can't think of two skilled wingers being paired with a centre like that

One of the upsides to having a winger in that role is that since they're usually up high in the D zone, they get down the ice first and can establish the forecheck. A lot harder to to if you're the centre helping down low

Ruchin with Kariya and Selanne back in the day is the one I can think of off the top of my head but a little different playing with two HOF wingers then what we have.

 

[LowLefty]

Not sure how to feel about Barron as top 6 C. He did have some unimpressive top 6 wing stints I beleive in 22-23 when scheifele was playing with a turnstile of wingers (the kuhlman, saku m, gagner era). But that was few years ago and not alot of mins to make any conclusions.

He's big, fast, I think his puck skills are solid. Ive seen posts about how he doesn't use his linemates.. His linemates have consisted of Tanev, Kupari, Gustafsson, and Iafallo. Exception of Iafallo, none of them are top 9ers. Additionally, I don't really view any of them with standout offensive skills. So, I can see perhaps why more of the onus is on him.

IIRC couple years ago his goal scoring at 5v5 given his TOI and role was actually pretty solid. Pair him with some a average to above average top 6ers maybe there is something there?

However, as post above mentioned, he hasn't received a sniff at 2C the past couple seasons and I think the team has casted him as a bottom 6er. Not sure they feel the same as this forum.

I agree with all of this - and would add that he has shown more recently than he has in the past - and that's what the org will look at.
What I noticed is that he was taking the puck to the net - hard and effectively. That's not something he was showing in the past.
He was also doing more off the rush - although with limited results based on the line makeup.
Most of his past was based on a defensive game - he played to what the line was asked to play - hard forecheck and puck pursuit.
I'm not sure he or his line mates were ever asked to be much more than that - so he did his job.
It's possible there is growth here - and maybe more to come.

 

[raideralex99]

Well there's goes Sam Bennett off the board ... only 2 places he is going to lol.
I guess Ehlers is going to either re-sign with the Jets or sign with the Leafs ... the media never stops.

 

[JetsFan815]

Well there's goes Sam Bennett off the board ... only 2 places he is going to lol.
I guess Ehlers is going to either re-sign with the Jets or sign with the Leafs ... the media never stops.

Maybe Bennet's "mind is made up" on playing in Winnipeg

 

[JetsFan815]

Seems on Habs forum they don't like him at all and are okay to move on.

Which is wild since they thought him being involved in a PLD trade was unacceptable and thought he was a better prospect than Vilardi.