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2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

Names is our best bet for 2C for now. There is no rabbit in the hat.

Having our top three C's all at 32 years old is a big problem that needs to be addressed. Yager should be getting prime offensive minutes with the Moose and be groomed to replace Names. Barron should be extended long term and played exclusively as a 4C, and injury replacement for our other C's. He's Lowry's heir.

I have no idea how you replace Scheif without tanking but maybe you focus on drafting raw, offensive C's and hope to strike gold.
 
UFA contracts on guys like Nelson (good but not elite players exiting their prime) seldom seem to work out well. He’s likely looking to get paid and will probably want term. He’s already showing signs of his game slipping so even if we got him he might fill the 2C gap admirably for a season or two before his play falls off and his contract becomes a problem.

Same kinda deal as him at the trade deadline. He’s a fine a player, but probably not worth to us what he ended up going for as a rental. Good player, probably won’t be worth his contract for us.
but at the same time, if the alternative is going with names again and trying to trade another 1st++ at the deadline for a rental, wouldn't you much rather take the player for free and keep those assets?

yes, these contracts seldom work out, but you know what's not going to work out? going into another season with names at the 2C, yes the nelson contract will end up being bad, but it should be good for a couple-few years, how long do people think are window is going to be open for? we can't waste another season... it would also be way better to have a couple of seasons with nelson as the 2C then to trade for copp/dach...
 
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Would love to go back two years ago when i was carved up for suggesting thay names would be our 2C and not perfetti... because names was a massive downgrade and blah blah blah

I suggest copp because i dont see any 2C actually available - hes proven to have chemistry and bump nino the 2c plan fails by TD...

Copp always played well with ehlers and was great with panarin - i dont like kane and compher as line combos... and he had a core iniury by the time he was paired with debrincat

His wage is not outlandish anymore and less than we would have to overpay nelson - who has massive red flags

Again id try to pair him with lambert and ehlers on a speed line... copp has names d awareness but is better at faceoffs and has more speed/net presence

Plus copp is our 2nd pk C and we reunite him with connor on pk...

Contract is short - theres no top tier 2C available for anything less than 6-7 years into their mid 30s
 
Names is our best bet for 2C for now. There is no rabbit in the hat.

Having our top three C's all at 32 years old is a big problem that needs to be addressed. Yager should be getting prime offensive minutes with the Moose and be groomed to replace Names. Barron should be extended long term and played exclusively as a 4C, and injury replacement for our other C's. He's Lowry's heir.

I have no idea how you replace Scheif without tanking but maybe you focus on drafting raw, offensive C's and hope to strike gold.
I'm not sure that age is a problem next year. Can say that all of our top 3 centers skated with their opponents. Lowry as a shutdown center on Rantanen with Samberg and Pionk was rather effective, I think they only gave up a goal in game 1. That defensive grind is still a big feature of the Jets identity going into next year.

I'm not 100% sold on Barron as 4C, part of me thinks he would be good as a winger with Lowry, to get him back on the heavier side of the forecheck, less puck handling, also interchangeable in the forecheck with Lowry, but I do agree he has potential to be Lowry's heir. Be interesting to see who is the favourite for that 4C job in camp, because I thought Kupari stepping up and winning, what was it 7 games with Lowry out?, against some tough teams too, was a big momentum shift in the President's trophy season. Barron playing top 9 with Scheifele out was impressive too. The speed up the middle is still good. Might be as good as it has ever been with the Jets. But it's thin, one top tier center, two effective middle 6 centers, and three 4th line centers, who showed some ability to step up this year.

Kupari's success came at a time when Perfetti-Namestnikov-Ehlers went on a bit of a heater, which was not the case in the playoffs. And that's where I wonder what the quantitative aspect of losing Ehlers would be. Jets would need 25 goals internally developed, or from outside acquisitions, to finish with a total that tied them for 3rd with Dallas and Colorado in the NHL this season. There's also the zone entries, PPs drawn, PP effectiveness that Ehlers brings. I think it's unknown territory but luckily the Jets do have some skilled forward prospects.

If the Jets can keep the speed on the left side of the defense buzzing, I think it's a good way to generate offense.

Can the Jets with or without Ehlers keep the goals against under 200 again next season? That's a sure fire way to win in the league, even with 25 less goals. Doesn't give rookies much rope to make defensive lapses.

For the Jets to improve with what they have Perfetti, Chibrikov, Barron and Kupari have to make some strides. Salomonsson and Lambert need to be guys that can be called upon to add some youthful energy, with injuries.

Yager needs a big season on the Moose, maybe even get some looks during the season, if he works hard in the offseason to improve in areas the management communicates with him.

For me the Jets need to keep drafting centers. It's possible Perfetti moves into the middle, with maturity. I don't see the speed there though, in a speedy conference, that does have some old vets like Kopitar, Duchene O'Reilly, Stamkos, Kadri kicking around. To me the Jets success at C still hinges on Scheifele and Lowry being above the grade in their trade. With everybody else playing their role.
 
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The UFA list at C is: Tavares, Giroux, Nelson, Gourde, Granlund, Dvorak, Bennett, Duchene, and a whole lotta meh or worse. who of the group would you pay a UFA style contract to?

That'd be a consideration for getting a strong 2C or strong 2W. Who that is :dunno:.
I think it's worth trying to get Granlund, I do think the Stars or someone else will offer him good money and obviously choose them over us but it won't hurt to try and acquire him, same with Duchene, the rest of that list is not happening and or not worth thinking about.
 
went back to check this chemistry with ehlers, he played 95% of the time at wing and they had 15 gf and 13 against in copp's final season, since copp has left he has only got worse and has doubled the cap hit...

ehlers with names + perfetti = 25 gf and 14 against
 
went back to check this chemistry with ehlers, he played 95% of the time at wing and they had 15 gf and 13 against in copp's final season, since copp has left he has only got worse and has doubled the cap hit...

ehlers with names + perfetti = 25 gf and 14 against

I have no idea why Copp was even brought up. He can't hack it as a 2C with DeBrincet and Kane in Detroit, why would we even consider bringing him back. Chevy was fine moving on from him for a reason. He had no interest in a long term deal to him. At his age there is no upside unlike with a younger player who may still have some untapped potential.
 
I was a big supporter in hoping to land Nelson at the TDL, but glad the Jets dodged that bullet for that cost. Now, I’d just prefer they move on. That ship has sailed. Besides, Nelson looked old and slow in the playoffs for the AVS. Could be he just never fully adjusted to the change or it could be a sign of things to come. Maybe the Western Conference play style is too intense for him and he should sign somewhere in the East.
 
Honestly without a trade as it stands right now giving Perfetti a good look at center is probably our best option especially if we re-sign Ehlers. If Perfetti doesn't work out you can always go back to Namestnikov .Namestnikov isn't why we didn't beat Dallas, we needed more production out of everyone not named Scheifele or Connor .
 
I have no idea why Copp was even brought up. He can't hack it as a 2C with DeBrincet and Kane in Detroit, why would we even consider bringing him back. Chevy was fine moving on from him for a reason. He had no interest in a long term deal to him. At his age there is no upside unlike with a younger player who may still have some untapped potential.
He barely played with debrincat and kane - and was obviously carrying an injury while on that line... not a realistic baseline imo

Like saying perfetti should never be center since he failed in his shot two seasons ago... and had the support of ehlers scoring
 
Honestly without a trade as it stands right now giving Perfetti a good look at center is probably our best option especially if we re-sign Ehlers. If Perfetti doesn't work out you can always go back to Namestnikov .Namestnikov isn't why we didn't beat Dallas, we needed more production out of everyone not named Scheifele or Connor .
Totally agree, and instead of talking about a 2 C, the Jets should be focused on acquiring depth scoring on the 3rd & 4th lines.

This along with some bad games from Helle, is why we didn’t get past Dallas, and just barely beat the Blues.

Getting rid of Appleton is a good start, and maybe one more guy, and inserting guys that can score, is the way to go.

I’d be starting Chibrikov when the season opens, to start with.

I also think Perfetti could very well work out at Center - so I’d see what he could do.
 
Totally agree, and instead of talking about a 2 C, the Jets should be focused on acquiring depth scoring on the 3rd & 4th lines.

This along with some bad games from Helle, is why we didn’t get past Dallas, and just barely beat the Blues.

Getting rid of Appleton is a good start, and maybe one more guy, and inserting guys that can score, is the way to go.

I’d be starting Chibrikov when the season opens, to start with.

I agree with a lot of your post but this for example is why I still feel it's the most pressing need.

Plugging in a 2C will help our depth by slotting players in more advantageous roles by default.

Names going from the heavy lifting in the top six to a more sheltered role as a 4C/W, for example. He will look much better and be a match-up weapon for the Jets in a role like this.

A 4th line with those kind of players will be trusted and eat up some minutes which is key.
 
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He barely played with debrincat and kane - and was obviously carrying an injury while on that line... not a realistic baseline imo

Like saying perfetti should never be center since he failed in his shot two seasons ago... and had the support of ehlers scoring

Based on hockey vis he played by far the most minutes with those two.
 
Based on hockey vis he played by far the most minutes with those two.
Yes, it shows they tried him with Fischer, Compher, Rasmussen and none of them clicked... so then he variably played with DeBrincat, Kane and Tarasenko - for the second half of his season

Based on Hockeyviz, Copp made deBrincat, Tarasenko better... these are the guys who most reflect Ehlers imo

Ehlers and Perfetti are also light years better than Kane and tarasenko now for what its worth
 
I agree with a lot of your post but this for example is why I still feel it's the most pressing need.

Plugging in a 2C will help our depth by slotting players in more advantageous roles by default.

Names going from the heavy lifting in the top six to a more sheltered role as a 4C/W, for example. He will look much better and be a match-up weapon for the Jets in a role like this.

A 4th line with those kind of players will be trusted and eat up some minutes which is key.

Agreed, moving Namestnikov could help our depth. I could see him do well on line 3 with Lowry or line 4 with Chibs.

But if Ehlers leaves and the plan is to move Namestnikov down then we now have 2 holes to plug on line 2. That won't be easy for Chevy.

So really we can only afford to move him down if we have players that can push him down.
 
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TSN just published its top 50 FA list. Ehelrs is listed at 4.

Some names I'd be interested in:

For RD
Ekblad - very low probability he comes
Fabbro

Forwards
Donato
Smith for Lowry's line
 
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TSN just published its top 50 FA list. Ehelrs is listed at 4.

Some names I'd be interested in:

For RD
Ekblad - very low probability he comes
Fabbro

Forwards
Donato
Smith for Lowry's line
I like Donato - has decent speed and shoots a lot but Blackhawks offered $4m and he didn't bite. Pretty big gamble that his shooting percentage will stay up at 17%...

He doesn't improve our faceoffs, doesnt PK and could regress to a 30pt guy

Smith is 34... I'd give Chib or Lambert the opportunity to develop instead

Fabbro could also be good but we might as well play Salo or Heinola - he doesn't solve our size problem
 
I like Donato - has decent speed and shoots a lot but Blackhawks offered $4m and he didn't bite. Pretty big gamble that his shooting percentage will stay up at 17%...

He doesn't improve our faceoffs, doesnt PK and could regress to a 30pt guy

Smith is 34... I'd give Chib or Lambert the opportunity to develop instead

Fabbro could also be good but we might as well play Salo or Heinola - he doesn't solve our size problem

Yeah I doubt he keeps up 17% but I like his tenacity on the forecheck. He'd fit from a stylistic perspective. Could see consistent 45 ish points from him on line 2. Is that worth $5 million, not sure.
 
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I'd be loading up the brink truck for Ekblad. He's exactly what we need. A big and mean top pairing RD with cup winning pedigree. Probably wishful thinking but he did play junior hockey in Barrie with Scheifele so maybe Mark can sell him on Winnipeg.
If we sign Ekblad in free agency how are we going to ice a second line? Seems to me like our D is pretty set. As it is were going to have to move one of them out (preferably Schenns last year to get rid of his cap hit). If we sign Ekblad we'd for sure have to move on from Schenn and maybe even another D. Then we'd barely have any cap room left and will have perfetti namestnikov as the big pieces on our second line with someone like Barron, Lambert, Chibs, or Rashevsky on the other wing.

Meh.
 
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If we sign Ekblad in free agency how are we going to ice a second line? Seems to me like our D is pretty set. As it is were going to have to move one of them out (preferably Schenns last year to get rid of his cap hit). If we sign Ekblad we'd for sure have to move on from Schenn and maybe even another D. Then we'd barely have any cap room left and will have perfetti namestnikov as the big pieces on our second line with someone like Barron, Lambert, Chibs, or Rashevsky on the other wing.

Meh.

Moving out Schenn and whoever depth dman isn't needed would save about $3.5 million.

Say we then trade for Dach who makes about that next year for line 2.

And we'd probably still have around 3 millil left to play with.
 

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