2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Keystone]

Since there is untapped potential and not because he is local, but what about a flyer on Cody Glass. I’m not sure NJ would be too committed to him as he was kind of a stop gap with Hughes injured. Given a chance he could be late bloomer like a Dylan Strome was for Washington.
Either via trade or offer sheet. With Luke Hughes needing a contract, I don’t see much money available for him.

 

[Turin]

Just realized every Canadian team besides Edmonton needs a 2C now.

 

[Turin]

Since there is untapped potential and not because he is local, but what about a flyer on Cody Glass. I’m not sure NJ would be too committed to him as he was kind of a stop gap with Hughes injured. Given a chance he could be late bloomer like a Dylan Strome was for Washington.
Either via trade or offer sheet. With Luke Hughes needing a contract, I don’t see much money available for him.

He’d be an ok bottom six guy, he’s pretty reliable defensively. Not great though and he’s not got the juice to turn into a Dylan Strome. He’d honestly be a pretty decent 4C

 

[surixon]

He’d be an ok bottom six guy, he’s pretty reliable defensively. Not great though and he’s not got the juice to turn into a Dylan Strome. He’d honestly be a pretty decent 4C

If he could stay healthy and gain traction I think he could be a good 3C. But I think top 6 is out of reach at this point.

I'd happily bring him I as he could provide off3nse and pk ability to the 4th line.

 

[Keystone]

Just realized every Canadian team besides Edmonton needs a 2C now.

Ottawa doesn’t. They probably have 2 of them in either Cozens or Pinto.

 

[Mooche]

It's funny how this narrative will get thrown around.

Namestnikov's game 5 against St. Louis is the one to remember. Jets lose that one, they don't get to game 7. Namestnikov had some of the nicest dangles on Binnington in that series, which did not go in. We saw Adam Lowry step up all the way to the top line against Robert Thomas in game 7.

Namestnikov was not a - player in the Dallas series but Wyatt Johnston and Matt Duchene were. Sam Steel was the real hero for Dallas.

If the Jets biggest need is 2C and 2 RD well the draft and develop model has players in the position to fill those spots. Just a matter of time. Maybe a good season for the Moose goes a long way. You might even have a replacement for Vilardi in Barlow, with a good development path, and at least one year of arbitration in the Jets favour.

When looking at the Central division, who is going to get better this offseason?

Dallas surely won't, they maxed out on Rantanen, and now will lose other pieces because of him. They could keep their defense together, minus Ceci, and try to find a way to get Dumba out of town, which makes them frontrunners still.

Colorado if they lose Nelson will be struggling to put together a top 6, with Necas closer to UFA than Vilardi.

Minnesota will probably be the biggest mover, with the Suter/Parise buyout finally at the point where $14 million extra in Cap space is allotted to them.

St. Louis? I think they are close to the Jets, with Montgomery coaching, could be a real rivalry next year. Definitely going to want to improve on their 3rd d pairing.

Utah is going to be a mover, you'd expect them to push for the playoffs.

Chicago is going to need some time for young players to become good players

Nashville looks f***ed, can they unf*** themselves in one offseason?

Hardly just a "narrative" or however you want to put it.

The way the Jets are constructed they need production from the 2nd line. They are the line who receive the + match-ups and need to be the difference in tight, close games. Flat out, period. You can't have your 2nd line center going goalless in a 30 game stretch to end the year. It just can't happen on a team that wants to win a Cup. I am a Vlad fan, and I am not trying to slag on him, but he's a Swiss army, utility guy, and expecting him to carry the mail deep on playoff runs against teams like the Stars, etc is not realistic, in my view.

Just a matter of time to fill these positions according to you, yet the team is trying to win right now. This is where the team finds themselves in a dilemma and why we are continuing going around in circles with the 2C talk. It's easy to talk about Yager, Lambert, etc stepping in to the team, but stepping in to play a minor role as opposed to being the 2nd line C on a cup contender is a whole different ballgame. One of the kids may take a major leap, and I hope that is the case, but it's also a stretch to expect them to come in and set the world on fire. I am not sure where Barlow replacing Vilardi comes from, but either way, Barlow is likely still a non-factor for the big club for some time yet, anyways.

I'll leave it to the oddsmakers to determine who is going to slot in where for next year in the Central. There's a long off-season to go, lots of balls in the air with the Draft, FA, etc. but if you don't think the Central is once again going to be an absolute f***ing gauntlet of a division -- one of the toughest in the league, bar none -- I don't know what to tell you, my friend.

 

[WolfHouse]

Im in the Copp or Perfetti as 2C camp... dont see anyone else out there that legit available and worth it

Copp-ehlers are a good combo and he has speed... worst case you play him on 3rd line

 

[surixon]

Im in the Copp or Perfetti as 2C camp... dont see anyone else out there that legit available and worth it

Copp-ehlers are a good combo and he has speed... worst case you play him on 3rd line

Copp is just another Namestnikov. We need a lot better imo.

 

[Board Bard]

Yeah it always amazes me that people just focus on trade returns as far as asset management.

If he leaves they still got a decade of service at a very reasonable cap hit. That is worth a lot.

They also get his cap space back which is also value in itself.

All this talk about "we also got his services for a decade" (or whatever) is disingenuous malarkey, nothing more than the stuff of homers. Yeah, they got his services while he was contracted to the team. No kidding. That's how pro sports works, that's how legally binding contracts work. But if he leaves via free agency, the team gets nothing -- absolutely nothing -- from it. That is the discussion, not this stuff about the last 10 years. The last 10 years provide no benefit to anyone moving forward. The only thing that comes close to the relevance of the here and now is the (now theoretical) trade-off between trading him recently before he had the chance to go to FA, and thereby recouping some assets, versus keeping him as basically an own rental. The rest is ancient history, nostalgia, irrelevance, none of which help restock a roster. Nor does it allow a team to go back in time for a re-do, which actually would add value to a player's past career. It's like buying a new car and instead of trading your old one in for a few bucks off the price, you just give it to the dealer because "I got its service for the last 10 years so I don't care about any value I can generate out of it now." If that's your business philosophy, you deserve to be suckered in every deal.

You mention the Jets get his cap space back if he goes FA. Yes, that has value; thank you for that dose of reality. But the nostalgia? Sorry, that's completely worthless to asset management (except to set an upcoming AAV, or the cost of a trade in those cases).

 

[surixon]

All this talk about "we also got his services for a decade" (or whatever) is disingenuous malarkey, nothing more than the stuff of homers. Yeah, they got his services while he was contracted to the team. No kidding. That's how pro sports works, that's how legally binding contracts work. But if he leaves via free agency, the team gets nothing -- absolutely nothing -- from it. That is the discussion, not this stuff about the last 10 years. The last 10 years provide no benefit to anyone moving forward. The only thing that comes close to the relevance of the here and now is the (now theoretical) trade-off between trading him recently before he had the chance to go to FA, and thereby recouping some assets, versus keeping him as basically an own rental. The rest is ancient history, nostalgia, irrelevance, none of which help restock a roster. Nor does it allow a team to go back in time for a re-do, which actually would add value to a player's past career. It's like buying a new car and instead of trading your old one in for a few bucks off the price, you just give it to the dealer because "I got its service for the last 10 years so I don't care about any value I can generate out of it now." If that's your business philosophy, you deserve to be suckered in every deal.

You mention the Jets get his cap space back if he goes FA. Yes, that has value; thank you for that dose of reality. But the nostalgia? Sorry, that's completely worthless to asset management (except to set an upcoming AAV, or the cost of a trade in those cases).

Every single team loses players to FA. The value to the team was the 10 plus million in profit they got from the playoff run vs. The 1st and prospect they would have gotten had they traded him. So yes keeping him helped provide monetary value to the team this year.

 

[Channelcat]

Copp is just another Namestnikov. We need a lot better imo.

I think that's generous. Copp has sucked since he left. I guess it's the Lowry effect.

 

[surixon]

I think that's generous. Copp has sucked since he left. I guess it's the Lowry effect.

He was decent his first year but he's been mia his last few. Not like he had bad linemates either as he played with Kane and DeBrincate this year.

 

[WolfHouse]

Copp is just another Namestnikov. We need a lot better imo.

Better at faceoffs, faster and chemistry with ehlers...

 

[Board Bard]

Every single team loses players to FA. The value to the team was the 10 plus million in profit they got from the playoff run vs. The 1st and prospect they would have gotten had they traded him. So yes keeping him helped provide monetary value to the team this year.

Wait a second, I thought the value was the 10 years he already spent with the team.

As for the recent playoff run, that's already ancient history and Ehlers' role in it provides no future benefit to the Jets if he leaves in FA (and precious little benefit even if he stays). You mention $10M. Is Ehlers responsible for all of that? Kinda sounds like it the way you put it. In any case, you don't know what they would have done without Ehlers, so how can you assign a value differential to having him-not having him?

 

[surixon]

Better at faceoffs, faster and chemistry with ehlers...

Well we don't even know that Ehlers is staying. Also I don't think he's faster than Namestnikov

 

[gojetsgo]

can't decide on the worst take today, paying copp 5.6 to be our 2c or the #1 team in the league should have traded ehlers in a weak ass draft

 

[WolfHouse]

can't decide on the worst take today, paying copp 5.6 to be our 2c or the #1 team in the league should have traded ehlers in a weak ass draft

The important thing is that you still have stuff to bitch about on a daily basis

 

[Buffdog]

All this talk about "we also got his services for a decade" (or whatever) is disingenuous malarkey, nothing more than the stuff of homers. Yeah, they got his services while he was contracted to the team. No kidding. That's how pro sports works, that's how legally binding contracts work. But if he leaves via free agency, the team gets nothing -- absolutely nothing -- from it. That is the discussion, not this stuff about the last 10 years. The last 10 years provide no benefit to anyone moving forward. The only thing that comes close to the relevance of the here and now is the (now theoretical) trade-off between trading him recently before he had the chance to go to FA, and thereby recouping some assets, versus keeping him as basically an own rental. The rest is ancient history, nostalgia, irrelevance, none of which help restock a roster. Nor does it allow a team to go back in time for a re-do, which actually would add value to a player's past career. It's like buying a new car and instead of trading your old one in for a few bucks off the price, you just give it to the dealer because "I got its service for the last 10 years so I don't care about any value I can generate out of it now." If that's your business philosophy, you deserve to be suckered in every deal.

You mention the Jets get his cap space back if he goes FA. Yes, that has value; thank you for that dose of reality. But the nostalgia? Sorry, that's completely worthless to asset management (except to set an upcoming AAV, or the cost of a trade in those cases).

TNSE doesn't "own" their players like you own a car. If anything, they lease them - they make payments, and in return they receive their service

Remember... teams don't trade players. They trade contracts

Under your logic, the Jets should trade everyone right now who has term left because this is when they have the most value. Get max return for Perfetti, Samberg, Vilardi... everyone

At the end of the day, Ehlers play this season was worth more to the org than a late 1st and B prospect, which is what he would have returned at the deadline

 

[surixon]

Wait a second, I thought the value was the 10 years he already spent with the team.

As for the recent playoff run, that's already ancient history and Ehlers' role in it provides no future benefit to the Jets if he leaves in FA (and precious little benefit even if he stays). You mention $10M. Is Ehlers responsible for all of that? Kinda sounds like it the way you put it. In any case, you don't know what they would have done without Ehlers, so how can you assign a value differential to having him-not having him?

No he's not responsible for all of it but as a key player he played a key role in the run and generating that profit for the org.

No I don't know exactly what would be on the table for him but the market for rentals of his ilk is usually a 1st and prospect.

Honestly who cares about future value, the org was clearly invested in providing the most present value given where they are at.

Future value doesn't alway materialize, see Ladd trade.

 

[Channelcat]

can't decide on the worst take today, paying copp 5.6 to be our 2c or the #1 team in the league should have traded ehlers in a weak ass draft

Could still trade Ehlers right now

 

[Board Bard]

TNSE doesn't "own" their players like you own a car. If anything, they lease them - they make payments, and in return they receive their service

Remember... teams don't trade players. They trade contracts

Under your logic, the Jets should trade everyone right now who has term left because this is when they have the most value. Get max return for Perfetti, Samberg, Vilardi... everyone

At the end of the day, Ehlers play this season was worth more to the org than a late 1st and B prospect, which is what he would have returned at the deadline

And none of that has anything to do with "plus we got his last 10 years of service" as a way to assess his present and future value to the team.

 

[KingBogo]

Jets didn't get nothing in return. They got his best years at a very reasonable cap hit, including a Presidents Trophy season

The next team he signs with will get a few years at a much higher cap hit, then declining years at the same cap hit

This is a point that doesn’t get made enough. Ehlers is about to sign his worst value contract for the team that signs him. The Jets have got Nik for 10 years. 3 ELC years and 7 years at a $6M AAV. He is now at the back half of his prime and will likely cost a team approximately $9M AAV for 7 years, the first half of that with similar production to his last few years and then declining production after that.

 

[Buffdog]

And none of that has anything to do with "plus we got his last 10 years of service" as a way to assess his present and future value to the team.

I don't think that you even know what you're talking about at this point

 

[Duke749]

All this talk about "we also got his services for a decade" (or whatever) is disingenuous malarkey, nothing more than the stuff of homers. Yeah, they got his services while he was contracted to the team. No kidding. That's how pro sports works, that's how legally binding contracts work. But if he leaves via free agency, the team gets nothing -- absolutely nothing -- from it. That is the discussion, not this stuff about the last 10 years. The last 10 years provide no benefit to anyone moving forward. The only thing that comes close to the relevance of the here and now is the (now theoretical) trade-off between trading him recently before he had the chance to go to FA, and thereby recouping some assets, versus keeping him as basically an own rental. The rest is ancient history, nostalgia, irrelevance, none of which help restock a roster. Nor does it allow a team to go back in time for a re-do, which actually would add value to a player's past career. It's like buying a new car and instead of trading your old one in for a few bucks off the price, you just give it to the dealer because "I got its service for the last 10 years so I don't care about any value I can generate out of it now." If that's your business philosophy, you deserve to be suckered in every deal.

You mention the Jets get his cap space back if he goes FA. Yes, that has value; thank you for that dose of reality. But the nostalgia? Sorry, that's completely worthless to asset management (except to set an upcoming AAV, or the cost of a trade in those cases).

They’re freakin human beings, not chess pieces.

 

[Bob E]

Today Nick Kypreos on Real Kyper & Bourne said if the Jets don't sign Ehlers, then he thinks the Jets will go after Brock Nelson and offer a 7-8M deal in FA, and that Nelson would "gladly go there". Now I was thinking Brock Boeser and thought that was a bit low for Boeser, then realized it was Nelson not Boeser he was talking about.

Kyper is a bit hit and miss with his projections but tends to say things he has 'heard'. So take that for what it's worth. I think Nelson gets to FA, and I also think there will be other 2C needy teams that will offer him a lot more than he's worth for too long. Hoping that's not the Jets.