2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[tarozi]

But I'm not too worried because I think Yager, Lambert and Chibrikov fill in the missing voids on the Jets.

If we are relying on these 3 players next season, we are a wildcard team at best and probably won't see playoffs. Set your sights higher not lower. Are you a fan or just hoping to start a fight...

 

[surixon]

Jets had 3 home games where they matched up their 3rd line against Dallas's best line. I believe they gave up one goal against to those guys, which included a Conn Smythe front runner. In game 1. Scored 2-1 in the series.

Now Nino to me does seem to be losing a step which is concerning, his play alone cost the Jets a game 4 tie on a different line. But Iafallo is re-signed. He can play against the best in the league. He proved that earlier in the year with Lowry and Ehlers.

I'm surprised nobody has gone off about touted 2C, actual 4C, Morgan Barron being -3 matched up against Sam Steel. That was the Jets worst matchup result.

2C has been a massive topic of conversation so far. I think nearly everyone here wants to go in a different direction there. I don't think anyone has given Namestnikov a pass.

Barron needs more seasoning in the middle to be viable there imo.

But Namestnikov also falls into that 30's crew where you are hoping they can maintain their current level. Same for Iafallo as well for that matter.

Most of the below will start or continue to fall off over the next few years:

Nino 33
Helle, Scheifele, Lowry, DeMelo, Namestnikov - 32
Iafallo - 31
JoMo, Pionk - 30

We need more players in there early to mid 20's to take bigger roles as the above fade into lesser roles.

 

[surixon]

If you look at everyone who's been deployed at C under Arniel, they all skate better than perfetti (except for maybe Gus)

Yeah Arniel likes quick players in that position as the position requires the covering of a lot of distance but speed is only one variable in that equation.

Perfetti miles covered per 60 was in the 90th percentile among players. That was both in the regular season and playoffs. So does it really matter if he's not a burner if he can more then cover the distance needed while being highly effective doing it. Positioning, timing, lines taken can all compensate for lack of top speed.

I'm not at all worried that he isn't physical/quick enough for the role.

 

[kylbaz]

Still kills me oilers picked up Savoie for absolutely nothing. Could have been a potential 2c right there.

 

[Whileee]

Still kills me oilers picked up Savoie for absolutely nothing. Could have been a potential 2c right there.

Actually, McLeod would be a terrific 2C for the Jets (traded for Savoie)...

 

[Roughneck1]

Yeah Arniel likes quick players in that position as the position requires the covering of a lot of distance but speed is only one variable in that equation.

Perfetti miles covered per 60 was in the 90th percentile among players. That was both in the regular season and playoffs. So does it really matter if he's not a burner if he can more then cover the distance needed while being highly effective doing it. Positioning, timing, lines taken can all compensate for lack of top speed.

I'm not at all worried that he isn't physical/quick enough for the role.

Yeah I try to trade for one or maybe sign one. Not sure who available. Plan B is I convert Perfetti. Is progress this year has been in the right direction. He’d do alright.

 

[Dirtyclapper]

What RFA player wouldn't sign a best offer sheet?
If a team is in SC trouble and can't afford to play that an extra million or two the player would be crazy not to sign.

Haven't read the entire thread yet but has anyone mentioned Mason McTavish? If we go the offer sheet route hell yes id overpay him, I think he would be a sure bet to be worth every dime

 

[Dirtyclapper]

What I think the Jets really need is a back-up goalie who either once helped a team win a cup as a starter or a back-up who won a cup. Or just an ex-starting goaltender. Something similar to Jake Allen. One who can step up if Hellebuyck has a bad game or can step up when he needs a break.

Comrie is not that guy!

I expect to lose some players to free agency such as Ehlers, Tanev, and Appleton. In fact, I see Appleton taking an overpayment elsewhere and not living up to the hype.

Vilardi I see either staying or going, but if I was him I take what I can get because this is the best he'll get. I could see Philly grabbing him and have him as their 1C.

I see Fleury, Kupari and Samberg getting extensions. But I'm not too worried because I think Yager, Lambert and Chibrikov fill in the missing voids on the Jets.

I said this before the trade deadline and literally got my ass chewed up on this thread and accused of trolling. It would have helped in the blues series but helle played pretty good vs dallas, definitely not the reason we lost

 

[voyageur]

2C has been a massive topic of conversation so far. I think nearly everyone here wants to go in a different direction there. I don't think anyone has given Namestnikov a pass.

Barron needs more seasoning in the middle to be viable there imo.

But Namestnikov also falls into that 30's crew where you are hoping they can maintain their current level. Same for Iafallo as well for that matter.

Most of the below will start or continue to fall off over the next few years:

Nino 33
Helle, Scheifele, Lowry, DeMelo, Namestnikov - 32
Iafallo - 31
JoMo, Pionk - 30

We need more players in there early to mid 20's to take bigger roles as the above fade into lesser roles.

That's fair but I think you have to give credit to all these 30 year olds for the buy-in. All year from coaches around the league you heard them say from the outside it was a structured team. Defensive structure that led to an amazing season, and a strong playoff.

Give Dallas credit they were able to incorporate young guys like Harley, Johnston, Bischel into their systems.

Perfetti took steps this year, you hope there is more. Samberg is in his prime.

The young guys made mistakes. Chibrikov is probably the most refined player for the NHL, I don't think his AHL stats translated into the poise he showed in the NHL. Ford was effective on an Eastern road trip but he's an older prospect. Physically mature.

Guys like Lambert, Salomonsson probably have to beef up to play Jets hockey over an 82 game season.

And the prospects down the line well they still have their learning curve. It's a fine line because youth comes with youthful mistakes, learning the game.

I see a 2 year window for this team as is, then a rebuild, because the quality of prospects won't be able to supplement the talent that begins to fade.

The teams still alive are veteran teams. I think the Jets finish the season believing in the group they had. Having Josh Morrissey in game 1 and game 6, maybe the difference between winning and losing.

 

[surixon]

That's fair but I think you have to give credit to all these 30 year olds for the buy-in. All year from coaches around the league you heard them say from the outside it was a structured team. Defensive structure that led to an amazing season, and a strong playoff.

Give Dallas credit they were able to incorporate young guys like Harley, Johnston, Bischel into their systems.

Perfetti took steps this year, you hope there is more. Samberg is in his prime.

The young guys made mistakes. Chibrikov is probably the most refined player for the NHL, I don't think his AHL stats translated into the poise he showed in the NHL. Ford was effective on an Eastern road trip but he's an older prospect. Physically mature.

Guys like Lambert, Salomonsson probably have to beef up to play Jets hockey over an 82 game season.

And the prospects down the line well they still have their learning curve. It's a fine line because youth comes with youthful mistakes, learning the game.

I see a 2 year window for this team as is, then a rebuild, because the quality of prospects won't be able to supplement the talent that begins to fade.

The teams still alive are veteran teams. I think the Jets finish the season believing in the group they had. Having Josh Morrissey in game 1 and game 6, maybe the difference between winning and losing.

I'm not trying disparage the play of the older vets. They definitely bought in and played well. It's just that none of them will get any better then they are now and any team improvement is going to have to come from younger/improving players.

I agree that we have another two years before the wheels fall off the older group. Whether we maintain being a good team or not past that point will depend on how quickly and how good our prospects develop.

 

[GaryPoppins]

On another front I would be very careful with the contract extended to Vilardi, not withstanding injury concerns he really is a hot and cold player.

We don’t even know if he wants to stay. Spouse is a California girl… my gut has me a little concerned on him for whatever reason..

 

[GaryPoppins]

Feel a bit the same on KC. I know the team would never do it, but if you re-sign Ehlers and flip Connor for some top assets you might be able to keep this dream alive for a few more years... letting Ehlers walk for nothing seems like the wrong move long-term, even if it might result in us scoring fewer goals throughout the season.

After that, can we find someone to push DeMelo down to the third pairing too? Andersson?

Think this is the same thing we've been saying for years.... 2c and RHD is a big need. Wish that we'd give Vilardi and/or Perfetti a real chance this fall to take the reins at 2c.

Kyle Connor puts butts in seats. They will never trade him. Players like him do not grow on trees. Can’t believe the hate for a perennial 40 goal scorer.

 

[GaryPoppins]

He absolutely should be using this method to target key young players.

Players have to be willing to sign said offer sheets.

 

[surixon]

Players have to be willing to sign said offer sheets.

Sure they do. But I think for many RFA's cash and usage is more important then location especially if they are in situations where they are blocked from advancing on their current teams.

 

[voyageur]

I'm not trying disparage the play of the older vets. They definitely bought in and played well. It's just that none of them will get any better then they are now and any team improvement is going to have to come from younger/improving players.

I agree that we have another two years before the wheels fall off the older group. Whether we maintain being a good team or not past that point will depend on how quickly and how good our prospects develop.

This team has had a unique way of improving through chemistry. Year after year. Nino is the only player to me who showed signs of aging in the playoffs.

Schenn he's an old goat, we knew what we were getting, but man I sure liked seeing him out there pounding players instead of Stanley. Brendon Dillon could not have helped the Jets like Fleury did these playoffs, especially with Josh out.

Namestnikov showed signs of being overmatched on the road. We know the Jets made a run at Nelson, he flat out turned us down. f*** him. We'll see how the Jets address this. Adam Lowry winning matchups makes everyone's job easier. But we saw how quickly the C position can thin out with injuries.

I think the Jets have to remain the same next season as much as possible. If they lose Ehlers they will regress, but I do have doubts about his long term durability. So who knows if the Jets take a different direction.

I really don't think Chevy planned on having Gustafsson, JAD and Toninato as the depth to enter the playoffs. But injuries are a key component if hockey.

Going into this season, losing 4 good hockey players, on the older side though, no one predicted us to be this good. I have confidence in both Chevy and Arniel going forward.

 

[WolfHouse]

Give up 4 1sts for voronkov...

 

[RabidOne]

Yeah I try to trade for one or maybe sign one. Not sure who available. Plan B is I convert Perfetti. Is progress this year has been in the right direction. He’d do alright.

Perfetti was drafted to be a center, Vilardi also. Why not actually try one of them before we sell the farm.

 

[SM]

Kyle Connor puts butts in seats. They will never trade him. Players like him do not grow on trees. Can’t believe the hate for a perennial 40 goal scorer.

See my first sentence of, "...I know the team would never do it".

It's not hate for a big-time scorer by any means, it's strictly an asset-management view. If you can exploit the market to sell him for a haul and come out ahead, you do it.

 

[Channelcat]

What I think the Jets really need is a back-up goalie who either once helped a team win a cup as a starter or a back-up who won a cup. Or just an ex-starting goaltender. Something similar to Jake Allen. One who can step up if Hellebuyck has a bad game or can step up when he needs a break.

Comrie is not that guy!

I expect to lose some players to free agency such as Ehlers, Tanev, and Appleton. In fact, I see Appleton taking an overpayment elsewhere and not living up to the hype.

Vilardi I see either staying or going, but if I was him I take what I can get because this is the best he'll get. I could see Philly grabbing him and have him as their 1C.

I see Fleury, Kupari and Samberg getting extensions. But I'm not too worried because I think Yager, Lambert and Chibrikov fill in the missing voids on the Jets.

Ya the doom and gloom is over done. Ehlers would be a big loss, but I expect this roster will be just as good next year. Perfetti and Samberg (maybe Fleury) are poised to take big steps forward. Salomonsson and a few others are ready to make the leap. As long as we don't see big drop offs from the aging core, this team will be very good.

 

[Roughneck1]

Perfetti was drafted to be a center, Vilardi also. Why not actually try one of them before we sell the farm.

I don’t like Vilardi as a centre. Not fast enough and he does his best work down low in the o zone and in front of the net. A centre has to stay up high lots of times depending on situation. Perfetti would try. Think he has better vision which a centre needs.

 

[JetsUK]

Kyle Connor puts butts in seats. They will never trade him. Players like him do not grow on trees. Can’t believe the hate for a perennial 40 goal scorer.

Agree, but even more than that, he's a longstanding part of the core and emerging as a key member of the leadership group.

These are not players the Jets will lose willingly, and I suspect KFC will be effective for a long time yet, given his talent, hockey brain and playstyle.

 

[WolfHouse]

Think i would take a hard look at provorov - assuming his character issues check out

Left shot who plays his off side... been logging top minutes and powerplay but more suited to a 3rd.pair PK specialist

First pk of samberg-provorov and second of fleury-demelo prob works nicely

Could end up with jomo chemistry and free up demelo for 3rd pairing mentor...

Also wonder if you gamble on kadri... his age is a red flag but hes producing and is the grit we need in the playoffs - fits with our core... and scores in the playoffs

 

[Flair Hay]

Think i would take a hard look at provorov - assuming his character issues check out

Left shot who plays his off side... been logging top minutes and powerplay but more suited to a 3rd.pair PK specialist

First pk of samberg-provorov and second of fleury-demelo prob works nicely

Could end up with jomo chemistry and free up demelo for 3rd pairing mentor...

Also wonder if you gamble on kadri... his age is a red flag but hes producing and is the grit we need in the playoffs - fits with our core... and scores in the playoffs

Kadri would be a great fit, just not sure how interested he is in being a Jet

 

[Gil Fisher]

@Whileee just moving this here from Jets Prospects so as to not derail that one.

 

[Whileee]

Haven't read the entire thread yet but has anyone mentioned Mason McTavish? If we go the offer sheet route hell yes id overpay him, I think he would be a sure bet to be worth every dime

He has to want to play in Winnipeg, first. Regardless, I highly doubt that the Ducks would let him go on an offer sheet. They'd look for a trade beforehand, if they had real concerns about matching an OS.

I really don't think the Jets are likely to be able to add significant talent via an offer sheet. What they might be able to do is make a trade for a player from a team that might not be able to fend off offer sheets. The Sabres have three high-profile RFAs, and I'm not sure they can re-sign all of them: Peterka, McLeod, Byram. Quinn is also an RFA, but with less clear value. I wonder if the Sabres might be willing to trade McLeod or Byram, rather than risk an OS bind. Both should be of interest to the Jets.

Rossi is another player that will likely be traded before he can sign an offer sheet. But I think he'd be a hard get for the Jets because he's in the same Division.